Alchemy of the Soul: Navigating Transformation and Essence w/ Tiffany Lazic

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Hello, welcome to Practically Magic.

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I am your host, Courtney Pearl,
your Celtic folk witch and healer.

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And I am joined today by Tiffany
Lazic, author, mystic, registered

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psychotherapist, spiritual director,
certified heavening techniques

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practitioner, specializing in spiritual
psychotherapy and Author of The Great

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Work, Self Knowledge and Healing
Through the Wheel of the Year, The

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Noble Art, From Shadow to Essence
Through the Wheel of the Year, and

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exciting upcoming book from Thuelen,
Psychopomps and the Soul, Traversing

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Death and Life for Healing and Wholeness.

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That's a mouthful!

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Thank you and welcome, Tiffany.

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Oh, thank you.

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Thank you.

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I know.

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They're all a bit of a
mouthful, aren't they?

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It's great to have that list.

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In fact, I usually list off all of my
titles and I'm like, you know what,

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I just Celtic Folk Witch is fine.

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Let's just stick with that for now.

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But you deserve all the accolades
for that list, and you're here today.

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We met, so I'll just kind of briefly
talk about, um, when I joined the Sacred

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Sites Pilgrimage for the Sisterhood of
Avalon before I was in the Sisterhood.

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Me and my aunt, um, it was actually her
that had been following the Sisterhood

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for a while and she messaged me and
said, do you want to go on this trip?

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And I was like, this sounds
exactly like what I'm looking for.

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Absolutely.

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I want to go.

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Um, never been out of the country
before, just studying kind of,

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you know, spirituality on my own.

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And then, Uh, getting to go to
the land of my ancestors was

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absolutely life changing for me.

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And that's where I got to meet you!

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You were with us briefly on that.

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Yeah.

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Discussing before we hit
record how she had recently,

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at that point, moved to Wales.

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And was like, I remember how excited you
were to say, and I'm from here, Wales.

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And I was like, and it was that trip
that from the very first day, from the

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day that we went to Wales, and we spent
one day there, I was like, something

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about this place is absolute magic.

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Yeah.

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it's almost like I get to reach through
the internet, through the interwebs and

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be connected to whales for just a short
period of time while you're here with me.

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Yeah.

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The energy is all here.

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Just right out the window.

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There's mountains, there's sea,
there's sheep just right there.

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I know I'm fangirling a little bit
about seeing you and I'm fangirling

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about whales a little bit today.

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I'm just a little bit like all the things.

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So we usually start our episodes on
Practically Magic pulling a card and

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I'm going to pull one from the branches
of the Celtic Tarot, Christopher

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Hughes deck, um, which I actually
only recently got a few months ago.

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I'm so excited.

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Love

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love it.

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Mmm.

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the storytelling in the cards.

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So I'm going to pull a card for
us today, maybe you and me, maybe

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a little bit for our listeners.

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Whoever is listening maybe needs
to hear what this card has to say.

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To offer our card today
is the seven of shields.

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I'm going to show it on the
camera for those who are watching

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Seven of shields.

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It's kind of got that shadow of people

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Mmm.

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the almost like spiritual

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mystical

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Mmm.

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the background.

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Um, this is when Math and Gwydion are

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summoning and felling their
magic to create Thudaiwed in the

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cauldron, um, so that she will be
a wife to Thu in, in the mythology.

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I won't go all into the story,
but you know, stay tuned for

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my other storytelling episodes.

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Uh, but I do notice too that on this
card there is like snow on the ground and

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snow in the background, And I know this
card is kind of associated with, um, um,

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prosperity and even like in projects or
business being able to, um, manifest or

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bring forth what it is that you've worked
really hard for, put a lot of effort into.

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So they put all the ingredients
in and they're going to make

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this, this woman out of flowers.

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And It also kind of serves as sort of
a warning of like, be careful what you

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wish for, or be careful what you're
bringing out because, uh, it's, it's

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probably going to take on a life of its
own, make its own choices as well, right?

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It feels very, if I can
jump in a little bit, is it,

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These do.

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very, it feels alchemical, The
two magicians over the cauldron,

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my

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put the ingredients in, you know,
they're, they're doing the work.

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It's very different than, um, cause
I know that the seven of shields is

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equivalent to the seven of pentacles,
which, which usually has a sense of

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sort of assessment, like stepping back
and, okay, so I've done a lot of work

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and now I need to step back and see
what needs to stay, what needs to go.

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But, but with this one, it's
there, they're like putting

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the, they put the ingredients in
and they're using their skill.

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to create the alchemical
transformation, which is going to

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turn these flowers into this woman.

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So it, I'm, I'm not sure that there could
be a more perfect card for this episode.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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and that's usually how it works, right?

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I mean, you just pull what is
exactly right for that moment.

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I know for me.

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This is really kind of, um, perfect for
things that have been happening in my

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life the last week, where there's a lot
of things I've been kind of struggling

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with and contemplating and, um, there's
certain groups in my community that I've

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been a part of that I've been trying
to, uh, decide how much I really want

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to put my investment into or maybe step
back, pull back and say, that's not

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where I want my energy to be right now.

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And so, Just in the last few days,
actually, I came up with these, like,

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epiphany moments where I'm like Oh
my gosh, I see how my involvement in

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these things can actually improve it.

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That I could be part of it and
it could become something really,

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um, I'm really enthusiastic about.

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So that's interesting.

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Taking like, again, like that
lead into gold kind of a thing.

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two things come together, neither.

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Leaves Unchanged, as well.

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Wow.

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Excellent.

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So did you have something you
wanted to share with us in,

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um, in your divination tools?

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Whatever

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thinking, well, should I do it now
or should I leave it for the end?

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But, um, yeah.

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you want.

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You know what?

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I almost kind of wanted, yeah,
let's, let's leave it till the end.

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Cause I love that you
have, um, Moth and Gwydion.

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It feels like they've kind of
stepped in and they've set, um,

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They've set the laboratory, like
there, there's the cauldron.

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It's bubbling away.

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It's got the ingredients.

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It's, it's in the process
of transformation.

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So maybe if we have a bit of a chat
and, um, and then I'll pull, I'll

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pull one at the end and see what it
has to say about the whole process.

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see what comes out at
the end of the bubbling.

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What?

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and I just have to say my experience
with alchemy before diving into it.

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I, I'm not even sure why it brought it was
brought to my mind as I was, Um, thinking

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of what are some topics I'd like to cover
this season in Practically Magic and what

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are some things I want to talk about.

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Um, and I know my aunt who came with
me on that pilgrimage, she had taken

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some of your courses on alchemy and
she kind of shared with me some of

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her notes or some things that she was
learning when she was visiting me.

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And I thought, Oh, this is interesting.

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I don't actually know anything about this.

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And I, I had read the alchemist.

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I don't know how many people listening
maybe are familiar with the book, the

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story, The Alchemist, and, um, I read
that, and, uh, the only other thing that

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I know about it is the, uh, Discovery
Witches series that's, or book, it started

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out as a book, but it's a TV series.

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And, you know, they're looking for Ashmole
something something, uh, that has a spell

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written into it, whatever, and they're
like, it's from, she's studying alchemy.

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And I'm like, what is
she studying exactly?

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What is, what is this?

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And I'm thinking, is it literal?

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Is it literally like people really were
trying to, you know, turn lead into gold?

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Or are we talking about something
more spiritual or philosophy?

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Is it science?

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Is it?

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So help us, for those of us who, you know,
maybe went into it completely ignorant

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and like, what are we talking about here?

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What would you say to someone
your definition of alchemy?

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Oh my goodness.

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So, um, so the, the, what is it?

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The short form, the blurb,
the, uh, the little meme.

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The soundbite

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yes.

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alchemy is that it is the spiritual
science of transformation.

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And we do tend to focus on the
transformation of lead to gold.

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Um, but interestingly, it actually has
its roots, um, I don't even think that's

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where, I'm not even sure, to tell you
the truth, where that became the focus.

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Perhaps more sort of Dark Ages,
Medieval, is when the focus of lead

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into gold, but, but previous to that.

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Again, the, the, the genesis of alchemy,
as with so many of these things, is

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lost to the mists of time, but as far
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solid ground, it, it goes back to Egypt.

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And the Egyptians were not so much
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with turning lead into gold.

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What they were concerned with was,
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continue, uh, in the afterlife, that
how do we turn matter into something

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which has, uh, spiritual constancy.

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So, um, so the term it's alchemy
itself, the word itself, means Egypt.

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In Arabic, al kam means
the black, the black land.

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Egypt was the black land because
of the banks of the Nile, which

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flooded, right, with the inundation.

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So alchemy, like, embedded
in it, means Egypt.

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okay,

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So,

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a lot more.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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And actually in the story of the
alchemist, you know, in the, it

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tells it kind of like as a journey,
as a story of this young boy.

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And, um, I think that was kind of
the author's way of presenting this

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idea when the Englishman comes to the
alchemist in the oasis in the desert,

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um, looking for all the answers.

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He's brought all these books, he's
studied his whole life, they've, you

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know, they've got their, um burners
and their lab materials and he goes, he

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finally gets there after all this journey
and he's talking to the alchemist and

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he goes, how do I turn lead into gold?

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Or like, teach me what alchemy
is or teach me what you know.

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And the alchemist says,
well, have you tried?

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Nice!

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So the Englishman's back in his tent
with his little burner and he's just

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like, and, and the boy in the story
who's actually learning alchemy, the

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actual, you know, transformation part
of it, Walks past his tent as he's over

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there hunched over his burner trying
to like do his science and he's like

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what you know What's he doing?

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I don't know.

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I think that was the point of the story
where it was like did some people get lost

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on the idea that like Looking for treasure
and gold was not in a literal sense Um,

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Yeah, well, interestingly, it's so,
so the Egyptians were, oh, so much,

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the Egyptians were the first, as far
as I understand, who, who, um, started

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to master, uh, metallurgy, right?

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So, so they were working with techniques,
were working with, um, like gold and

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silver and copper and, um, metals.

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So, so there was a sense of, of
not so much, um, transmuting, um,

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lead into gold, but, but how do
you work with these substances?

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Um, what is it like bronze
is, is bronze like copper and

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tin and it becomes stronger.

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So you, you put things together, you
take things apart, you put things

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together and they become stronger.

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So there's an aspect perhaps
of the lead into gold, which.

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comes a little bit out of that.

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Also, aromatherapy is, which again has,
has working with essential oils, has

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its roots in, in ancient Egypt as well.

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And that's a form of, of alchemy.

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You distill and you
distill and you distill.

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What is it?

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It takes like

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gonna stress

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thousand rose petals to get
one drop of essential oil.

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That's an alchemical process.

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How do you take something
and, and you distill it down

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to its purest, purest form?

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It's essential form.

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It's essence form.

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So there's the metallurgy part of it.

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There's the plant part of it.

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Um, there's a, I never pronounce it right.

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I think it's called, Spigirics or
something like that, which is like

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making, um, herbal tinctures, which
is again an alchemical process.

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Um, again, distilling it down into
something which is a healing tincture.

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Um, and getting back to the sort of
first point that I was making, which

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was, um, embalming the Egyptians.

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Um, for them with the, with the
embalming of the pharaohs was an

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alchemical process because what they
did was they took out, um, what is it?

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The heart, the liver, the stomach.

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Oh, something else.

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There were like four p.

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The lungs, uh, the four parts that
were taken out, put in the Coptic jars,

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and then different things were put in.

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So you, you separate.

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And then you put back together
and, and in that process, what has

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been put back together has been
changed into something which is a

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purer form than what it was before.

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So you do that continually, you're
moving closer and closer and closer to

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essence, you're moving closer to spirit.

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So, there certainly was That sense of
working with it in the natural world.

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There's a term of um, which I mean you
read about alchemy for three seconds and

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you're gonna trip across the name Hermes

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Mm hmm.

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which means the thrice great Hermes,

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um, and There's some aspects of that
which are reflect as there, there might

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have been three sort of, um, iterations
of, of this Hermes pic of to, um, the

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Pharaoh, um, Akan, um, and then this
guy who is a contemporary of, of Jesus.

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Fascinating, fascinating
to, uh, to explore Bina,

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Mm hmm.

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who, you know, healed the
sick, raised the dead.

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Um, but he was working with
the Emerald Tablet, which are

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the teachings of, of alchemy.

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So there's that aspect, which could be the
Hermes Trismegistus, but it's also this

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sense of, of this, this teacher of alchemy
is thrice great because he knows, um,

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The teachings of, um,

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you know, philosophy, and
of astrology, um, and of, of

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theurgy, of, of, um, ritual.

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So, how you bring these, all of
these energies are about how do you

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bring spirit and matter together.

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Mm hmm.

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that the heavens and the earth are
in direct reflection to each other.

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The above and the below are in
direct connection with each other.

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And so how do you start to work
with the, um, you know, the, The

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Pharaoh who walks on Earth, who is
embalmed, becomes spiritualized and

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and immortalized in the other world.

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And so there's always this
relationship between the above and

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the below of Spirit and matter and
the relationship between the two.

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And so

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one of the things, and that was
when I say it's the spiritual

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science of transformation.

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It's how do you work on matter in
a way to move it perhaps a closer

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reflection to its true spiritual nature.

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Um, and that there, there are
techniques for doing this.

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So how is all of that?

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So there's, there's a few
different directions to go.

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Yeah, that's perfect.

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I mean, just in outlying, um, when I
asked you about like, if I want to start

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reading up on this to kind of get an
idea of what, what we're talking about

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today, you referenced the Emerald Tablet,
Alchemy for Personal Transformation,

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and I'll put this in my blog notes.

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Um, with the episode as well, along with
your, um, books and courses, but I, I

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began to, you know, read it and, um,
talks about the history of Balinus and,

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um, Hermes and the three forms of Hermes
and, uh, yeah, really fascinating to

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come in the comparisons of the stories of
Jesus and the stories of Balinus and how

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many, how much comparison there is there.

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And I think to myself, all of these,
um, ascended masters that you read

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about, all of these people that have
achieved a sort of enlightenment, which

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I think is an alchemical transformation.

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Um,

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Absolutely.

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yeah, it's, it's so interesting
how I see this thread through all

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of these teachings that maybe, you
know, maybe called different things

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or given different associations.

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with healing or with, uh, with
the ego versus the higher self.

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Um, but a lot of them will go through
these transformations and they, you

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know, release all worldly possessions.

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They spend much of their
time in meditation.

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They might, uh, travel and teach and it's
almost like a complete shedding of the ego

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to be walking around on the earth in this.

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Transcended form.

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Um, when I read that, I'm often
like, oh my gosh, I could do that.

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I could, I could just leave everything
and walk around and I just want to

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be, I want to be in a Zen state.

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I want to be in a state of mind where I'm
transformed into this enlightened being.

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And then my kid loses his
sock and I'm back in my ego.

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Just like that.

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And so it begs the question,
are there, are there.

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They're people like meant to,
born to serve that purpose, or is

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it something that we can achieve
maybe in moments of our lives?

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What do you think

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about

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that?

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I do think that, um, that the progress
of history also plays a part, and how

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I would have walked through the world,
um, 3, 000 years ago is a little bit

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different than, than how I walk through
the world now, and so, you know, looking

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at some of these ascended masters, you
know, through the lens of geography

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and history, is also important because,
um, we're living in different times.

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And so the way in which we reflect,
I do believe that it's possible to,

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um, to attain the Philosopher's Stone.

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That really is, you know, ultimately
where, um, uh, alchemy, um, sort of got

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to, there's all of these different ways
that it reflected, but the way that it was

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sort of comes to us now is this, you know,
we're seeking the philosopher's stone.

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We are seeking that the gold
within that it's also looking

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at it like from coal to diamond.

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What is the thing inside of me that
is immutable that that cannot be

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destroyed no matter what circumstance.

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And, and not that, yes, there can be a
moment when all right, you know, the sock

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kind of tipped the scales for a second,
but um, but then I found my center again.

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You know,

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um, as well, uh, yeah, that's

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what for me, because

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Um,

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career has been, and to a large
degree my entire life, because I

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really started reading this stuff
when I was probably way too young,

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um, is, is psychology, psychotherapy.

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I was reading transactional analysis when
I was like 10 years old, um, 12 years

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old, because I was, you know, given.

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Teeny for teens.

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Um, so, so this.

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Seeking self has always
been a part of, of what?

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The ways that we lose ourselves.

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I remember reading like, Sarah T.

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Portrait of a Teenage Alcoholic.

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You know, which is, we
lose ourselves to shadow.

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We lose ourselves to pain.

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We lose ourselves to addiction.

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We lose ourselves to a
whole bunch of things.

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Mm hmm.

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that is lead.

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That is lead.

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So,

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this alchemical transmutation
is the way in which life will

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crack us upon the shores.

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When we are in lead, we will
be cracked open by something.

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And that is the dark night of the soul.

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That is the first stage of alchemy.

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It is calcination.

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It is the tower in the tarot.

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It is feeling like the rug has been
pulled out from under my feet and the

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walls have come crashing down around
me and I don't know where to go next.

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And alchemy says, Oh, I
know what the next step is.

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And not only that, I know
where all the steps lead.

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Where they lead is to
the philosopher's stone.

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It is to the truth of yourself.

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That has always been there.

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It got lost under the lead,
but it's always been there.

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This is what's beautiful.

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It's not turning something
into something else.

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It's not, it's, it's within it.

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It's already there.

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Yeah.

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within.

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You know, the, the truth of who you are,
the essence of who you are, the, you are

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not the you that, that, that, that, that,
that, that, Got irritated about a sock.

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That's not who you are.

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That's just something
that happened in a moment.

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The truth of who you are is the
soul that, that shines through.

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And, and once you know that you
can come back to it so quickly.

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And I believe that is
possible in the world today.

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You don't have to be in a monastery
or walk the desert or let go of

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all your worldly goods to do it.

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Because ultimately I think, Alchemy says
that stuff, it doesn't matter anyways

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whether you have it or you don't have it.

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I mean it, it can make life a little
more comfortable to be able to go into

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your home and go into your bed at night
than to try to find a tree in the desert.

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Mm hmm.

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Yeah.

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doesn't inform who you are.

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It's your essence that
informs who you are.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And I think it was really powerful in
reading about how much, um, and a lot

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of people are more and more familiar
with the phrase, as above, so below,

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Right.

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um, and the balance.

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It talks about, like, the yin and the
yang, and the, um, I have this Gaia deck

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that shows balance, or the yin yang,

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yeah.

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the light, the dark, and together.

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yes, but this is what I
find so interesting is that

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it's not the above and the below.

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When I said when two things come together,
both of them are forever changed.

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It's not the above and the below.

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It's the heart that
lies between them both.

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Alchemy, the philosopher's stone,
is the intelligence of the heart.

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It's the middle.

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In the yin yang, it's the line
that touches both of them.

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Okay, I love that and I, and I love how,
um, it was describing it's, um, it said

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as above so below, but as below so above.

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It's, it's that sometimes people miss.

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That it's the together,
like it's the both, right?

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I think sometimes people are so, a
lot of times in the healing world

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and some of the healing work that
I do, um, people call themselves

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lightworkers or they'll say, I, you know,

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not sure how I'm describing
this exactly, but, uh, you know,

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turning towards the lights.

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What I think sometimes gets missed or
what needs to be addressed is that it's.

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There's not a good and a bad about any
of it, that there's not a, um, light is

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good, shadows are bad, or, and that's
why I love the, the, the metaphor or

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the, the address of it being led, because
when I talk to children about their

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emotional energy and how it feels in their
body, I'll say there's heavy feelings.

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There's feelings that can feel heavy
and transmuting them into light

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feelings makes you feel better.

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But there isn't such a thing as a
good feeling or a bad feeling or an

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emotional energy that's good or bad.

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Um, and helping kind of change the
mentality about that, uh, which I like.

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And, um, and I like when, when they
talk about, um, I heard somebody

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talking about it and they said, as
above, so below, as within, so without.

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That our environment and then within
their reflections of each other as well.

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right.

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And, and getting back to, uh,
math and, um, and Gideon, they

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are reflections of each other,

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but if we change what's within, then
we impact what's without as well.

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Right.

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I can't necessarily change
what's out there, but I can work

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what's in here and, and what I.

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What I find is that it's not that,
um, it's not that I'm changing

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what's out there, but I certainly
change my perspective to what's out

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00:31:03,332 --> 00:31:08,302
there, which changes how I respond
to what's out there, um, which

461
00:31:08,312 --> 00:31:09,952
then will change what's out there.

462
00:31:10,902 --> 00:31:16,182
There is, with, um, one of the things,
I've been talking about this a lot, I

463
00:31:16,182 --> 00:31:20,482
actually just came out of a class where
I was teaching about it, that, um,

464
00:31:20,822 --> 00:31:24,522
very much what you were saying, they're
not, emotions are not good or bad.

465
00:31:25,497 --> 00:31:32,457
However, there are emotions
that are informed by shame, and

466
00:31:32,517 --> 00:31:35,617
shame is led, that we all carry.

467
00:31:35,617 --> 00:31:40,367
Shame is inadequacy, insecurity, not
being good enough, not being lovable,

468
00:31:40,707 --> 00:31:44,377
that there's something wrong with us,
that we're flawed, that, you know, we're

469
00:31:44,377 --> 00:31:53,887
a mistake, like, that is shame, and shame
is epidemic, everybody has it, um, And

470
00:31:53,927 --> 00:32:00,537
we don't really talk about it, but what
is being transmuted is, is our shame.

471
00:32:00,577 --> 00:32:06,977
We cannot come from a place of essence
when we are carrying this sense of

472
00:32:06,977 --> 00:32:10,307
inadequacy and, and not being good enough.

473
00:32:10,997 --> 00:32:11,997
And so,

474
00:32:14,147 --> 00:32:19,537
and we can't even listen to our, our
emotions can be tainted by shame.

475
00:32:20,562 --> 00:32:20,902
Yes.

476
00:32:21,202 --> 00:32:28,732
angry, then this is where, um, so I've
actually, I not, I don't, not really

477
00:32:28,732 --> 00:32:30,212
using the, the lightworker language.

478
00:32:30,222 --> 00:32:34,142
I, I S I've started using the
language of being a wonder worker.

479
00:32:34,632 --> 00:32:40,952
That, that, the, uh, as a wonder
worker, it is seeing this interplay

480
00:32:41,002 --> 00:32:45,392
the weave of the light and the dark,
like the wheel of the year, right?

481
00:32:45,442 --> 00:32:49,812
There's, Winter is no
better or worse than summer.

482
00:32:49,832 --> 00:32:51,492
They just are.

483
00:32:51,532 --> 00:32:57,822
As long as there's no overlay
of shame, there cannot be shame.

484
00:32:58,132 --> 00:33:00,952
The shame that tells us there's
something wrong with me, that I'm

485
00:33:01,032 --> 00:33:06,364
separate, different, not unique,
and that wonderful shining diamond,

486
00:33:06,364 --> 00:33:09,761
but that I'm flawed and rejectable.

487
00:33:10,212 --> 00:33:12,052
That's the thing which is dangerous.

488
00:33:12,052 --> 00:33:15,782
And the philosopher's stone is,
when I say the thing in us that can

489
00:33:15,782 --> 00:33:21,592
never be changed, it's that I am
a reflection of spirit on earth.

490
00:33:22,332 --> 00:33:30,432
You know, that I am as above spirit,
as below spirit, and the matter that

491
00:33:30,462 --> 00:33:32,492
is made up of the energy of all.

492
00:33:32,692 --> 00:33:35,082
So, that's that immutability.

493
00:33:35,112 --> 00:33:36,162
There's no shame.

494
00:33:36,262 --> 00:33:37,652
There's no separation.

495
00:33:37,972 --> 00:33:40,112
You know, we're all part of the all.

496
00:33:41,262 --> 00:33:47,232
Yes, and you know, it's making me realize
for those of listeners who've listened

497
00:33:47,232 --> 00:33:51,042
to other episodes, we've talked about
how shame holds in the body and it

498
00:33:51,369 --> 00:33:57,142
being the lowest frequency of emotional
energy that you can have in your body.

499
00:33:58,073 --> 00:34:04,282
Um, but that it can show up in so many
physical ways when you're holding shame.

500
00:34:05,517 --> 00:34:10,327
For me, for a lot of people,
digestive issues, um, skin

501
00:34:10,327 --> 00:34:12,307
picking, having skin issues.

502
00:34:12,917 --> 00:34:17,717
When I started doing IPT processing,
that's the energy, uh, healing

503
00:34:17,717 --> 00:34:23,357
modality that I use with clients
is that I, I'm realizing that that

504
00:34:23,357 --> 00:34:27,837
process doing sessions with clients
is sort of an alchemical process.

505
00:34:27,888 --> 00:34:30,667
We are, we're taking apart.

506
00:34:31,882 --> 00:34:37,862
energy, we're taking it apart
so that we can, it's, it's that

507
00:34:37,862 --> 00:34:40,222
process of keep transmuting it.

508
00:34:40,272 --> 00:34:45,282
Or, uh, I can't remember the word
that you use, but when you're, you're

509
00:34:45,432 --> 00:34:49,042
boiling it down and you're boiling
it down into the essence of it.

510
00:34:49,562 --> 00:34:56,982
That's what I think that IPT process
does or had had done for me, for sure.

511
00:34:57,002 --> 00:35:00,922
I did 20 or 30 processes during
the year that I was going to

512
00:35:00,922 --> 00:35:02,592
school, learning how to do it.

513
00:35:02,702 --> 00:35:03,032
And.

514
00:35:03,567 --> 00:35:08,677
I can tell you, you cut right through
the shame, right into the heart of like,

515
00:35:09,047 --> 00:35:14,767
what are the things keeping you stuck
in those thoughts, in those emotions,

516
00:35:14,814 --> 00:35:21,007
in that energy that you can just keep
taking apart and keep taking apart and

517
00:35:21,007 --> 00:35:24,837
keep taking apart until you come down
to the very essence of who you are.

518
00:35:25,522 --> 00:35:27,102
And that, that is alchemy.

519
00:35:27,342 --> 00:35:28,823
That is exactly alchemy.

520
00:35:29,142 --> 00:35:33,602
The one thing that, um, that I've
started to reflect and it's just

521
00:35:33,602 --> 00:35:35,424
sort of a nuance of language.

522
00:35:36,492 --> 00:35:39,092
But again, I've been
working a number of years.

523
00:35:39,092 --> 00:35:42,522
I find it's, it's, it can
be an important distinction.

524
00:35:43,592 --> 00:35:48,412
I, I don't, I don't call
shame an emotion anymore.

525
00:35:48,927 --> 00:35:49,977
Oh, okay.

526
00:35:51,182 --> 00:36:00,082
I refer to shame as a reflection
of the relationship to self.

527
00:36:00,877 --> 00:36:01,367
Okay.

528
00:36:01,432 --> 00:36:06,312
will either be in shame
or I will be in essence.

529
00:36:07,267 --> 00:36:14,237
And if I am in shame, then my entire
emotional spectrum is going to

530
00:36:14,277 --> 00:36:16,907
be reflected through that shame.

531
00:36:18,627 --> 00:36:20,147
So, um,

532
00:36:22,157 --> 00:36:23,827
my anger is rage.

533
00:36:23,857 --> 00:36:24,407
My,

534
00:36:26,447 --> 00:36:28,537
my sadness is despair.

535
00:36:29,487 --> 00:36:32,347
My, my hurt is helplessness.

536
00:36:32,447 --> 00:36:38,972
It's, it's Everything is coming from this
lens of, of inadequacy and disempowerment.

537
00:36:39,342 --> 00:36:46,202
So I can't even listen to what the emotion
is saying because all I hear is the shame.

538
00:36:47,377 --> 00:36:49,137
Ah, yes.

539
00:36:50,162 --> 00:36:56,732
When I am in essence, like that's when,
that's really when I'm able to hear,

540
00:36:56,732 --> 00:36:58,082
like there's no good or bad emotions.

541
00:36:58,082 --> 00:36:59,472
There are uncomfortable ones.

542
00:36:59,502 --> 00:37:02,912
There are ones that may be a little more
challenging in what they have to say, but.

543
00:37:03,492 --> 00:37:08,102
But they're not reflective
of, of my worth.

544
00:37:08,812 --> 00:37:12,372
Shame is always a
message about your worth.

545
00:37:12,867 --> 00:37:13,667
Yes.

546
00:37:13,987 --> 00:37:14,697
Yes.

547
00:37:15,182 --> 00:37:18,752
emotions are giving us information
about the world, which is really

548
00:37:18,752 --> 00:37:22,932
important for me because then I can use
those emotions to tell me, you know,

549
00:37:22,942 --> 00:37:24,142
how I need to respond to the world.

550
00:37:24,644 --> 00:37:27,752
Shame is never telling me
anything about the world.

551
00:37:28,462 --> 00:37:30,962
It is only telling me
something about myself.

552
00:37:31,592 --> 00:37:32,162
Yeah.

553
00:37:32,922 --> 00:37:35,362
Oh, it's almost like glasses you put on.

554
00:37:35,422 --> 00:37:40,172
If you were using visual sense,
it would be like, I see everything

555
00:37:40,172 --> 00:37:41,912
through the lens of the shame,

556
00:37:42,247 --> 00:37:43,057
that's right.

557
00:37:43,492 --> 00:37:48,392
like complete, um, helplessness
and I don't have any power.

558
00:37:48,402 --> 00:37:49,592
I don't have any control.

559
00:37:50,172 --> 00:37:53,442
Um, and you can't truly see
things for the way that they are.

560
00:37:53,442 --> 00:37:54,322
You can't see truth.

561
00:37:55,267 --> 00:37:55,647
Yeah.

562
00:37:55,937 --> 00:38:04,287
And so alchemy, I would say alchemy
is, it's a spiritual science because it

563
00:38:04,287 --> 00:38:12,157
has steps, it's got protocols as well,
for addressing shame so that you're

564
00:38:12,237 --> 00:38:17,047
able to uncover and like to reveal.

565
00:38:17,772 --> 00:38:21,632
To oneself, the um, the
Philosopher's Stone, the essence,

566
00:38:21,662 --> 00:38:24,002
the truth of, of who you are.

567
00:38:24,002 --> 00:38:27,872
So any of these, there's, there's a lot
of different ways of doing it, but yet

568
00:38:28,482 --> 00:38:34,362
they're alchemical processes because
they're bringing you to that place.

569
00:38:34,852 --> 00:38:35,132
Nice,

570
00:38:35,192 --> 00:38:35,472
yeah,

571
00:38:35,772 --> 00:38:37,972
it's profound, profound work.

572
00:38:38,482 --> 00:38:42,422
And what I would say, just as a
little thing, there was a time

573
00:38:42,422 --> 00:38:44,632
when this is what science was.

574
00:38:45,522 --> 00:38:52,392
But it wasn't until the Middle Ages
when, you know, the rise, where

575
00:38:53,402 --> 00:38:57,842
science and religion had to separate.

576
00:38:58,102 --> 00:39:01,792
So one of the things that I
find fascinating, Isaac Newton,

577
00:39:02,472 --> 00:39:07,932
right, who is the father of
physics, he was an alchemist.

578
00:39:08,532 --> 00:39:19,527
He wrote so many alchemical texts, but he
was told that You reject those or else.

579
00:39:20,507 --> 00:39:21,667
So he rejected.

580
00:39:21,667 --> 00:39:27,767
So, astronomy, astrology became astronomy.

581
00:39:28,737 --> 00:39:31,047
Alchemy became chemistry.

582
00:39:31,702 --> 00:39:32,282
uh huh,

583
00:39:32,747 --> 00:39:39,427
Everything lost its spiritual component
and it just became hard science.

584
00:39:40,922 --> 00:39:43,687
interesting, that's fascinating,

585
00:39:43,987 --> 00:39:44,006
Isn't it?

586
00:39:44,732 --> 00:39:48,662
because, I mean, I will just put it
out there for those listening and

587
00:39:48,662 --> 00:39:51,242
wondering why, why would that happen?

588
00:39:51,762 --> 00:39:58,657
Um, think about, uh, political power
and about how, um, it would really serve

589
00:39:58,667 --> 00:40:05,367
the powers of man and, and authority
figures of the time to have people

590
00:40:06,457 --> 00:40:12,527
separated from that message, from that,
um, looking at the world in that way.

591
00:40:13,207 --> 00:40:14,357
Well, and that's it.

592
00:40:14,537 --> 00:40:15,827
That is the key word.

593
00:40:15,867 --> 00:40:16,937
Separation.

594
00:40:17,547 --> 00:40:17,997
Mm hmm.

595
00:40:18,077 --> 00:40:22,427
am separated from spirit unless
I go through this route, right?

596
00:40:22,507 --> 00:40:29,417
So, so, when I'm separated from spirit,
that's when shame gets in there.

597
00:40:31,247 --> 00:40:35,617
And I found this really fascinating
too, that so many different contexts,

598
00:40:36,137 --> 00:40:39,097
uh, of other spiritual endeavors.

599
00:40:39,097 --> 00:40:43,087
I mean, whether you look at like different
places around the world, all have kind

600
00:40:43,087 --> 00:40:47,667
of their own language for the same idea.

601
00:40:48,257 --> 00:40:53,567
Um, when I first kind of started
deviating from the, uh, let's

602
00:40:53,607 --> 00:40:57,227
say dogma of my own upbringing.

603
00:40:58,712 --> 00:41:02,107
I started looking into the Gnostic
Gospels of Mary Magdalene and that,

604
00:41:02,222 --> 00:41:08,512
and talking about the new, or the
heart, heart, um, what do they call it?

605
00:41:09,182 --> 00:41:11,002
Mind of the heart, heart of the mind?

606
00:41:11,102 --> 00:41:13,432
Can't remember how they, heh, hearts.

607
00:41:13,647 --> 00:41:21,902
Um, but, uh, they, it, I kind of drew
it as a triangle with a, with the eye

608
00:41:21,902 --> 00:41:27,262
in the middle of the, like, between the
things, between the mind, body, and soul.

609
00:41:27,262 --> 00:41:31,307
So you have When the mind and the
heart are working together, there's

610
00:41:31,307 --> 00:41:36,117
this, this place where they meet,
and that's the heart, the um,

611
00:41:36,567 --> 00:41:36,677
is,

612
00:41:37,147 --> 00:41:37,957
That the spirit,

613
00:41:38,417 --> 00:41:38,837
you.

614
00:41:39,697 --> 00:41:43,507
yeah, and this is the thing that I find
really, really, really fascinating.

615
00:41:43,507 --> 00:41:47,647
You know, what we You know, certainly
early on in my career and realizing

616
00:41:47,647 --> 00:41:50,497
that, you know, sort of the holistic
approach is mind, body, spirit.

617
00:41:50,497 --> 00:41:52,607
It's my body, spirit,
it's mind, body, spirit.

618
00:41:53,367 --> 00:41:56,937
And where I was coming from as
a psychotherapist, I'm like,

619
00:42:24,791 --> 00:42:28,252
energy that is the conduit
between me and the world.

620
00:42:28,292 --> 00:42:31,772
That is my information highway.

621
00:42:32,632 --> 00:42:37,371
Yeah.

622
00:42:37,772 --> 00:42:40,512
I don't know if you can tell,
but when like, I think of like,

623
00:42:40,532 --> 00:42:42,622
okay, this is like a highway.

624
00:42:42,622 --> 00:42:43,662
These are like glasses.

625
00:42:43,912 --> 00:42:46,296
I mean, that just helps
me understand the context.

626
00:42:47,449 --> 00:42:50,377
And I always teach, you know, whether
I'm teaching the kids or when I'm

627
00:42:50,507 --> 00:42:56,997
teaching a, um, one of my courses, I
use color as the energy of emotions.

628
00:42:57,227 --> 00:43:01,367
And I'll say it's, and it's
emotion, energy in motion.

629
00:43:01,787 --> 00:43:07,349
So you're, you're getting, um, yeah,
you're in contact, which is why I, you

630
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:11,552
know, Absolutely agree with you that shame
shouldn't even be classified in that.

631
00:43:11,552 --> 00:43:13,842
It's almost like the lens in
which we see those emotions

632
00:43:14,082 --> 00:43:15,022
It is the lens.

633
00:43:15,322 --> 00:43:17,392
And that's fantastic.

634
00:43:18,022 --> 00:43:19,922
I can't, I'm so excited about this.

635
00:43:21,092 --> 00:43:24,667
I'm like, Yes, that makes
more sense to me and,

636
00:43:25,487 --> 00:43:26,557
and how we think of

637
00:43:26,662 --> 00:43:27,412
changes everything.

638
00:43:27,412 --> 00:43:28,312
It changes.

639
00:43:28,782 --> 00:43:30,552
It changes the dynamic.

640
00:43:30,552 --> 00:43:31,702
Yeah, absolutely.

641
00:43:31,922 --> 00:43:32,162
Yeah.

642
00:43:32,257 --> 00:43:35,867
because in an IPT process when
I'm working with a client, um, we

643
00:43:35,867 --> 00:43:38,447
will move emotions at like energy.

644
00:43:38,447 --> 00:43:41,617
I'll say, pull that out in a color
and let's look at what it looks like.

645
00:43:41,687 --> 00:43:43,037
And that gives us information.

646
00:43:43,667 --> 00:43:49,307
But I will say, okay, now in all of
those emotions, all of those things

647
00:43:49,317 --> 00:43:53,047
that you maybe were experiencing at
this point in time, what was the belief?

648
00:43:54,077 --> 00:43:54,107
Right.

649
00:43:54,127 --> 00:43:54,927
What belief?

650
00:43:55,277 --> 00:43:57,607
You have, and that is the shame.

651
00:43:57,647 --> 00:44:00,957
That's the, and it's almost
always one of three things.

652
00:44:01,007 --> 00:44:03,657
I think or feel I'm not good enough.

653
00:44:04,217 --> 00:44:06,177
I think or feel I'm not worthy.

654
00:44:06,617 --> 00:44:09,247
Or I think or feel I'm not lovable.

655
00:44:10,097 --> 00:44:11,847
And those are all of the
things that you just said.

656
00:44:12,057 --> 00:44:12,447
So,

657
00:44:12,467 --> 00:44:13,277
They're all shame.

658
00:44:13,307 --> 00:44:13,927
They're shame.

659
00:44:14,387 --> 00:44:14,807
yeah.

660
00:44:15,197 --> 00:44:19,237
And it's, um, so I'm wondering,
I pulled this other card from the

661
00:44:19,237 --> 00:44:23,572
sky deck, uh, earlier when I was
kind of looking at just imagery.

662
00:44:24,157 --> 00:44:28,797
And this one came up, which does
have some Egyptian symbols in this.

663
00:44:28,897 --> 00:44:30,197
It's the hidden path.

664
00:44:30,217 --> 00:44:32,427
Um, uh, right.

665
00:44:32,757 --> 00:44:35,757
And I, and I see like the disc of the sun.

666
00:44:36,057 --> 00:44:36,247
uh,

667
00:44:37,257 --> 00:44:38,917
And the I, and I'm,

668
00:44:39,507 --> 00:44:39,907
press.

669
00:44:40,827 --> 00:44:45,517
and I'm wondering is this kind of the,
in the alchemical transformation when

670
00:44:45,517 --> 00:44:52,827
you're, when you're going to reveal the,
the self, the philosopher's stone, it

671
00:44:52,827 --> 00:44:55,987
sort of opens up that path or purpose.

672
00:44:57,417 --> 00:45:00,977
So when you're in a state of confusion,
um, you know, when the dark night

673
00:45:00,977 --> 00:45:04,537
of the soul happens and you're
in a state of confusion, I always

674
00:45:04,537 --> 00:45:07,007
tell clients, confusion is hard.

675
00:45:07,987 --> 00:45:13,227
That's a really painful place to
be, but it's actually a really

676
00:45:13,227 --> 00:45:19,227
positive step because you need the
confusion to be open to something new.

677
00:45:19,927 --> 00:45:20,517
Mm hmm.

678
00:45:20,997 --> 00:45:24,177
And do you feel like that sort of
reveals then your path forward?

679
00:45:26,107 --> 00:45:27,107
Absolutely.

680
00:45:27,377 --> 00:45:28,297
Absolutely.

681
00:45:28,817 --> 00:45:29,917
There is um,

682
00:45:33,812 --> 00:45:38,832
You know, one of the wisdoms I
find that certainly comes out of

683
00:45:38,922 --> 00:45:41,032
an alchemical approach is that

684
00:45:43,542 --> 00:45:51,682
we are not meant to be directed
by what our minds think.

685
00:45:53,182 --> 00:45:59,165
We are meant to be directed by
what draws the heart forward.

686
00:45:59,862 --> 00:46:04,187
And the mind What is meant
to be in service to that?

687
00:46:05,437 --> 00:46:11,937
The mind, like, what does, it's
not just, you know, what do I

688
00:46:11,937 --> 00:46:15,407
want, but what does call my heart?

689
00:46:16,617 --> 00:46:20,787
And it's not my brain's job to say,
well that doesn't make any sense, well

690
00:46:20,787 --> 00:46:24,067
that's never gonna happen, well you don't
have the, you know, you can't do, like,

691
00:46:24,987 --> 00:46:27,597
because that separates us again, right?

692
00:46:27,627 --> 00:46:29,697
That can create shame.

693
00:46:30,507 --> 00:46:35,597
But to say, okay, what, how
can we move forward with that?

694
00:46:35,647 --> 00:46:38,177
What, how can I be of service to that?

695
00:46:38,177 --> 00:46:39,967
How can I support that?

696
00:46:40,047 --> 00:46:43,157
And there, there's going to
need to be some discernment.

697
00:46:44,317 --> 00:46:47,117
this is where the I and the heart,

698
00:46:49,367 --> 00:46:55,997
or, um, sorry, the sun, the sun and
the I in that card are on either side.

699
00:46:55,997 --> 00:47:00,937
I You know, that, that there
is this, you know, what is the

700
00:47:00,937 --> 00:47:02,527
light that draws me forward?

701
00:47:03,636 --> 00:47:04,647
What is the discernment?

702
00:47:04,657 --> 00:47:10,247
What, how can I, sort of, bring
my mind to help me see the path?

703
00:47:10,607 --> 00:47:13,137
But what's in the center of that?

704
00:47:13,447 --> 00:47:15,027
What rests in the heart?

705
00:47:15,057 --> 00:47:15,947
That's the Ankh.

706
00:47:16,007 --> 00:47:19,187
That, that is the symbol
of ever lasting life.

707
00:47:19,977 --> 00:47:24,827
And part of recognizing that.

708
00:47:29,662 --> 00:47:33,502
When we live from the heart, when
we live from essence, you know,

709
00:47:33,534 --> 00:47:37,772
we may be here for a short time,
we may be here for a long time.

710
00:47:38,622 --> 00:47:42,422
The truth is, we are indestructible.

711
00:47:43,142 --> 00:47:47,522
We will be matter, and
then we will be spirit.

712
00:47:48,912 --> 00:47:51,722
For some people they believe
then we will be matter again.

713
00:47:52,262 --> 00:47:54,512
And that's the thing, it's not.

714
00:47:55,052 --> 00:47:58,487
where we're getting to,
that is the important thing.

715
00:47:58,567 --> 00:48:07,017
It's, it's how, how we engage from a place
of, of heart in all of those moments.

716
00:48:07,017 --> 00:48:11,607
And I think that's where that's
that sort of hidden path is that

717
00:48:11,747 --> 00:48:13,297
I'm always where I need to be.

718
00:48:13,297 --> 00:48:16,807
I'm always exactly where I need
to be, whether I'm here for

719
00:48:16,807 --> 00:48:19,447
another week or another 20 years.

720
00:48:20,347 --> 00:48:22,987
It's, this is the moment that counts.

721
00:48:24,042 --> 00:48:24,642
Mm hmm.

722
00:48:26,072 --> 00:48:26,622
Yeah.

723
00:48:27,602 --> 00:48:27,942
Which

724
00:48:28,242 --> 00:48:31,817
that, for me, that is
what wonder work is about.

725
00:48:32,497 --> 00:48:35,797
Where I can, I can pay
attention to the human.

726
00:48:36,357 --> 00:48:38,447
I can pay attention to the spirit.

727
00:48:38,747 --> 00:48:42,907
And I see that they are always
in dialogue with each other.

728
00:48:43,552 --> 00:48:44,122
Yeah.

729
00:48:45,362 --> 00:48:45,872
Yeah.

730
00:48:47,682 --> 00:48:55,062
It's very helpful to know that that's
possible, and especially when, um, you

731
00:48:55,062 --> 00:48:59,712
go through moments of life, like the
dark night of the soul, or, um, what

732
00:48:59,712 --> 00:49:01,932
I sometimes refer to as mini deaths.

733
00:49:02,052 --> 00:49:03,262
Mini deaths of life.

734
00:49:03,722 --> 00:49:09,072
throughout your life, like where you're
going, a part of me has had to die in

735
00:49:09,072 --> 00:49:13,502
order for a rebirth to occur and to, um,

736
00:49:14,207 --> 00:49:14,637
Yeah.

737
00:49:15,062 --> 00:49:21,062
allow for my body and spirit
to befriend each other again.

738
00:49:22,342 --> 00:49:27,892
That when it feels like they're at
war, at odds, there's a separation

739
00:49:27,942 --> 00:49:33,782
or that, that there needs to be a
reconciliation for this rebirth.

740
00:49:35,627 --> 00:49:36,067
Yeah.

741
00:49:36,217 --> 00:49:39,417
It's, it's interesting, because
you were talking about confusion.

742
00:49:39,759 --> 00:49:46,352
And, um, And I, I recognize it's,
it's a not uncommon experience for

743
00:49:46,352 --> 00:49:48,002
many, many, many people to have.

744
00:49:48,232 --> 00:49:56,222
Again, increasingly, I am coming to a
place where my sense is confusion doesn't

745
00:49:56,682 --> 00:49:59,552
happen when we drop into our bodies.

746
00:49:59,562 --> 00:50:01,812
Our bodies are never confused.

747
00:50:02,357 --> 00:50:03,077
Hmm.

748
00:50:05,182 --> 00:50:09,992
It's when our heads are trying to
have authority over our bodies.

749
00:50:10,922 --> 00:50:11,532
that we get

750
00:50:11,867 --> 00:50:12,247
Sure.

751
00:50:12,682 --> 00:50:17,822
It's that battle between, um, head
and heart that leads to confusion.

752
00:50:19,117 --> 00:50:19,727
Yeah.

753
00:50:20,337 --> 00:50:20,747
Yeah.

754
00:50:20,837 --> 00:50:24,156
So who, who are you
listening to and who's, who

755
00:50:25,137 --> 00:50:26,087
has the authority?

756
00:50:26,972 --> 00:50:27,292
Yeah.

757
00:50:27,492 --> 00:50:29,562
And again, this brings
us to the chariot card.

758
00:50:29,582 --> 00:50:33,112
It's not saying that, Oh, what I
want is the only thing that matters.

759
00:50:33,762 --> 00:50:39,002
Both of the horses have got
to be pulling the chariot

760
00:50:39,302 --> 00:50:39,907
One Direction.

761
00:50:42,447 --> 00:50:42,917
Yeah.

762
00:50:43,337 --> 00:50:43,617
Yeah.

763
00:50:43,647 --> 00:50:47,397
Cause it can sometimes
feel like they're just not.

764
00:50:48,307 --> 00:50:53,417
That can be, can be a moment in a
day, it can be a period of time, and

765
00:50:54,327 --> 00:50:56,237
Recognizing that that happens to us all

766
00:50:56,962 --> 00:50:57,302
Yeah.

767
00:50:57,397 --> 00:50:58,267
is important too.

768
00:50:58,737 --> 00:50:59,967
Yeah, absolutely.

769
00:51:00,407 --> 00:51:01,467
Well, fascinating.

770
00:51:01,497 --> 00:51:05,437
I think this is, uh, full circle.

771
00:51:05,847 --> 00:51:10,497
What is it, is there anything
else that in, in work with alchemy

772
00:51:10,497 --> 00:51:17,467
or in the healing, um, spiritual
transformation seekers out there,

773
00:51:17,767 --> 00:51:19,187
anything else you would have them know?

774
00:51:19,187 --> 00:51:21,097
A final thought that
we haven't touched on.

775
00:51:22,147 --> 00:51:29,297
Well, there was something that you said
about healing and um, Again, there's,

776
00:51:29,337 --> 00:51:34,677
there's certain things, even, even I would
say, So the, the book that I have that's

777
00:51:34,677 --> 00:51:40,477
coming out in, in May, I, I do put a lot
of this, I don't talk about alchemy per

778
00:51:40,477 --> 00:51:44,427
se, but everything in there really is
about this, this process of coming back

779
00:51:44,437 --> 00:51:51,727
to truth in essence, and, um, and And very
much through a grieving process as well.

780
00:51:51,737 --> 00:51:55,199
I talk about death, I talk about the books
of the dead, I talk about psychopomps.

781
00:51:55,617 --> 00:51:57,637
Psychopomps to me are the ones
who are the ones who know how to

782
00:51:57,637 --> 00:52:01,707
navigate this whole in between
space because that's what they do.

783
00:52:01,707 --> 00:52:02,877
They traverse the liminal.

784
00:52:03,637 --> 00:52:13,437
Um, but what I've come to really
recognize is that all healing is grieving.

785
00:52:14,917 --> 00:52:17,213
We need to know how to grieve.

786
00:52:19,022 --> 00:52:25,252
Because in healing, I have to
grieve the me that I am no longer.

787
00:52:28,977 --> 00:52:29,537
Yeah.

788
00:52:29,702 --> 00:52:35,464
into wholeness, I need to grieve the
things that created the fragmentation.

789
00:52:36,152 --> 00:52:39,992
All healing is grieving, and
we don't know how to grieve.

790
00:52:39,992 --> 00:52:43,791
Oh, Maru

791
00:52:45,027 --> 00:52:46,907
I am so excited.

792
00:52:46,937 --> 00:52:54,547
I decided to do an episode of this podcast
on death and grieving specifically,

793
00:52:54,997 --> 00:52:56,467
but I'm waiting for your book.

794
00:52:58,407 --> 00:53:04,597
And I'm also watching the series that
Christopher Hughes did, um, On the

795
00:53:05,772 --> 00:53:07,392
Gidda Chris.

796
00:53:07,977 --> 00:53:08,727
Yes.

797
00:53:08,787 --> 00:53:12,866
Mi Maru Gira See?

798
00:53:14,427 --> 00:53:16,577
400 something days on Duolingo
and I still can't do it.

799
00:53:17,757 --> 00:53:17,897
What?

800
00:53:18,837 --> 00:53:19,777
I'll work on it.

801
00:53:19,807 --> 00:53:21,297
I'll practice for the next one.

802
00:53:21,377 --> 00:53:28,307
But I, I do want to prepare for I am,
um, uh, I'm married into a family that

803
00:53:28,307 --> 00:53:38,427
is no Stranger to death and grief and
yet almost as an observant person on

804
00:53:38,427 --> 00:53:44,657
the outside of it, just seeing how
cultures do grief differently and how

805
00:53:44,977 --> 00:53:51,917
even some, some where certain people
have had to grieve and have experienced

806
00:53:52,237 --> 00:53:54,357
a lot of death in, in the family.

807
00:53:54,782 --> 00:53:59,912
Maybe even still don't know how to grieve
because culturally we haven't been taught

808
00:53:59,922 --> 00:54:03,972
or shown how or, or what it even is.

809
00:54:04,122 --> 00:54:09,432
And it's such a different kind of
suffering and pain than that of,

810
00:54:09,512 --> 00:54:16,532
um, of maybe confusion or emotion,
emotional suffering that we can have.

811
00:54:17,832 --> 00:54:18,192
Yeah.

812
00:54:18,652 --> 00:54:21,432
Yeah, so I am going to do that.

813
00:54:21,442 --> 00:54:23,482
Stay tuned, audience, for that.

814
00:54:23,482 --> 00:54:26,612
I'm going to dive more into that,

815
00:54:27,232 --> 00:54:27,672
for sure.

816
00:54:27,972 --> 00:54:29,922
there's so much there.

817
00:54:29,922 --> 00:54:31,332
There is, there's so much.

818
00:54:31,602 --> 00:54:34,872
One thing, and I, I know that we
probably could talk all night.

819
00:54:35,382 --> 00:54:40,812
I, I will say that, and this is
another, it's where aspects of the

820
00:54:40,812 --> 00:54:43,692
alchemical journey, you know, may, um.

821
00:54:44,467 --> 00:54:49,627
flow over into, um, a little bit
of the grail mysteries, which is

822
00:54:49,627 --> 00:54:51,557
a whole other thing to talk about.

823
00:54:52,097 --> 00:54:57,717
Um, it's a little bit perhaps of
where, you know, we really have, um,

824
00:54:57,827 --> 00:55:02,767
in our, our culture, we focus so much
on the head and the cognitive and

825
00:55:02,767 --> 00:55:04,667
the evidence based, like all of that.

826
00:55:05,147 --> 00:55:10,397
And again, there's a place for that,
but it's not all there is that when

827
00:55:10,397 --> 00:55:13,957
somebody is grieving, we have a tendency.

828
00:55:14,257 --> 00:55:19,107
To go in with, okay, well, like, these
are the stages, and this is what to look

829
00:55:19,107 --> 00:55:20,747
for, and this is what you need to say.

830
00:55:21,257 --> 00:55:25,097
And what we don't say
is, what do you need?

831
00:55:27,117 --> 00:55:30,077
How can I be of service?

832
00:55:30,857 --> 00:55:32,737
You know, we don't reach with the heart.

833
00:55:32,807 --> 00:55:34,957
We try to come in with the answers.

834
00:55:35,387 --> 00:55:39,397
Instead of just saying, I'm here.

835
00:55:40,092 --> 00:55:40,602
Mm hmm.

836
00:55:40,867 --> 00:55:43,757
You know, and I think
again, coming back to

837
00:55:45,767 --> 00:55:47,762
To alchemy.

838
00:55:48,147 --> 00:55:49,157
The heart.

839
00:55:49,287 --> 00:55:49,677
Nose.

840
00:55:50,107 --> 00:55:51,187
That's the boy.

841
00:55:51,447 --> 00:55:54,627
Going like, oh, there's the crazy
Englishman with all his things.

842
00:55:54,627 --> 00:55:57,267
Where you just need to be present.

843
00:55:57,922 --> 00:55:58,312
Yeah.

844
00:56:00,242 --> 00:56:00,612
Yeah.

845
00:56:01,262 --> 00:56:05,792
And I think that's the lesson
that ultimately the Englishman

846
00:56:05,792 --> 00:56:08,102
will, will learn in the story.

847
00:56:08,112 --> 00:56:10,782
It doesn't, it doesn't touch back
in with the Englishman in the story.

848
00:56:10,782 --> 00:56:13,242
I don't find out what happens
to him, but the alchemist says

849
00:56:13,522 --> 00:56:15,512
something like, he will get there.

850
00:56:15,512 --> 00:56:15,562
Yeah.

851
00:56:15,562 --> 00:56:15,576
Yeah.

852
00:56:16,197 --> 00:56:16,497
Right?

853
00:56:16,527 --> 00:56:22,037
Like, he's working on his part, and
even in just the effort of physically

854
00:56:22,037 --> 00:56:29,557
working on the, um, the, the medals, and
he's going to get what he needs to get.

855
00:56:29,827 --> 00:56:30,297
Right.

856
00:56:30,747 --> 00:56:31,267
Right.

857
00:56:33,037 --> 00:56:33,507
Right.

858
00:56:33,507 --> 00:56:34,387
Do you

859
00:56:34,687 --> 00:56:35,157
Just as we

860
00:56:35,157 --> 00:56:35,777
all do.

861
00:56:36,347 --> 00:56:38,297
In our roundabout ways.

862
00:56:39,627 --> 00:56:40,107
We do.

863
00:56:40,537 --> 00:56:42,537
It's all our individual journey, right?

864
00:56:42,987 --> 00:56:43,707
Yes.

865
00:56:44,207 --> 00:56:45,367
Alright, are you ready?

866
00:56:46,267 --> 00:56:52,503
I, I have here, um, the
Philosopher's Stones.

867
00:56:52,727 --> 00:56:53,957
Can you see that there?

868
00:56:54,477 --> 00:56:57,307
Um, which I absolutely adore.

869
00:56:57,397 --> 00:56:59,777
I believe they're, they're out of print.

870
00:56:59,777 --> 00:57:00,907
They're impossible to find.

871
00:57:00,917 --> 00:57:04,717
But, so it's a little bag of stones.

872
00:57:04,777 --> 00:57:04,807
Yes!

873
00:57:05,575 --> 00:57:08,811
Oh!

874
00:57:19,187 --> 00:57:19,767
Oh, yeah!

875
00:57:20,617 --> 00:57:24,997
The circle with this, um, okay,
for those who aren't watching on

876
00:57:24,997 --> 00:57:28,337
YouTube, the circle with the dot in

877
00:57:28,392 --> 00:57:29,152
with a dot.

878
00:57:30,442 --> 00:57:36,282
So that is the symbol for gold.

879
00:57:37,467 --> 00:57:38,207
Mm hmm.

880
00:57:39,672 --> 00:57:46,382
So this whole journey culminates,
right, from lead to gold, and

881
00:57:46,392 --> 00:57:48,112
we have attained the gold.

882
00:57:48,992 --> 00:57:52,012
We've stirred and stirred
and stirred and stirred.

883
00:57:54,007 --> 00:57:59,857
From our Gwydion and math in the
cauldron symbol at the beginning

884
00:57:59,877 --> 00:58:03,507
until now, we've stirred up a lot,
and we've learned a lot about, um,

885
00:58:05,567 --> 00:58:09,502
For those who were like me, just
going, What even is this alchemy thing?

886
00:58:09,607 --> 00:58:11,067
What do people keep talking about?

887
00:58:11,067 --> 00:58:15,147
Is it literal science, or are we
And yes, it is a little bit of both.

888
00:58:15,147 --> 00:58:16,477
It's a little bit of all things.

889
00:58:16,527 --> 00:58:20,737
And, um, I mean, we could only touch
on what we had time to touch on today.

890
00:58:20,757 --> 00:58:21,977
So, uh,

891
00:58:22,167 --> 00:58:22,527
I will

892
00:58:22,597 --> 00:58:26,567
talk about the stages and, you
know, the science part of it.

893
00:58:26,567 --> 00:58:30,187
Like, these are the things,
emotionally even, to look at, you know.

894
00:58:30,187 --> 00:58:31,767
So, there's, yeah.

895
00:58:31,807 --> 00:58:33,137
But it gives a doorway in.

896
00:58:33,317 --> 00:58:34,627
And, and I love this.

897
00:58:34,657 --> 00:58:41,907
It's like, the message is, find
your light and let it shine.

898
00:58:44,122 --> 00:58:47,792
Yeah, yeah, and I'm gonna keep
reading the Emerald Tablet.

899
00:58:47,812 --> 00:58:51,412
I'm gonna read your book when it
comes in and give people a little

900
00:58:51,412 --> 00:58:59,372
bit more of the, of what comes from
studying the Emerald Tablet and the

901
00:58:59,382 --> 00:59:01,322
principles or the rubrics there.

902
00:59:02,492 --> 00:59:06,822
So we can touch back on it in
future episodes, but thank you so

903
00:59:06,822 --> 00:59:11,197
much for this time you spent with
us and to kind of give us a really

904
00:59:11,197 --> 00:59:13,747
good idea of what we're looking at.

905
00:59:14,387 --> 00:59:21,867
Um, and just for anybody wanting to
find out more of what Tiffany has

906
00:59:21,867 --> 00:59:27,347
going on, she offers many courses
through Soul Alchemist Academy.

907
00:59:28,197 --> 00:59:32,497
including Empowerment Path,
the Enlightenment Path, and

908
00:59:32,497 --> 00:59:35,097
the Liminal Path, and two,

909
00:59:37,577 --> 00:59:38,874
two year long programs.

910
00:59:39,537 --> 00:59:41,557
I'm very personally interested
in these, by the way.

911
00:59:41,777 --> 00:59:46,787
So the Great Work Weekly Study Group,
coming back after a two year hiatus.

912
00:59:47,037 --> 00:59:47,147
Yay!

913
00:59:47,467 --> 00:59:47,906
Yeah.

914
00:59:48,237 --> 00:59:48,527
Yeah.

915
00:59:48,537 --> 00:59:52,167
So for those of you who are jumping
on, this is a great time to do it.

916
00:59:52,767 --> 00:59:55,207
Um, yeah, uh,

917
00:59:56,467 --> 00:59:56,937
can you

918
00:59:57,487 --> 01:00:02,047
on alchemy in that as well because,
so part of what I've done in both the

919
01:00:02,047 --> 01:00:06,887
great work and the noble art is I have
looked at the wheel of the year and I

920
01:00:06,897 --> 01:00:12,432
see the wheel of the year is a reflection
of the entire alchemical process.

921
01:00:13,437 --> 01:00:17,597
So, so that journey through whether
you're doing it through the books or

922
01:00:17,597 --> 01:00:23,837
whether I am excited to do these weekly
things to just help people be on a track.

923
01:00:24,529 --> 01:00:28,057
Um, whole journey is an alchemical.

924
01:00:28,067 --> 01:00:30,327
It's a year long alchemical journey,

925
01:00:31,952 --> 01:00:32,682
Fantastic.

926
01:00:32,702 --> 01:00:38,562
That is something I, uh, I'm very
interested in because I've been working

927
01:00:38,562 --> 01:00:44,512
with clients on, um, like Jenna's book,
the, the abalone and cycles of healing

928
01:00:44,557 --> 01:00:45,267
right?

929
01:00:45,332 --> 01:00:48,602
and have been able to kind
of partner it with those.

930
01:00:48,662 --> 01:00:51,522
All of those cycles IPT process.

931
01:00:52,007 --> 01:00:57,317
So when a client comes to me for
that, um, we're going through an

932
01:00:57,317 --> 01:00:59,807
entire process in an hour and a half.

933
01:01:00,427 --> 01:01:04,777
Then if they do like a course, which is
the full moon, the month, we get to do

934
01:01:04,777 --> 01:01:07,447
the mythic moons, all of those cycles.

935
01:01:07,907 --> 01:01:10,847
And I'm sure the alchemical process you're
talking about throughout the year, I

936
01:01:10,847 --> 01:01:13,387
mean, it probably all falls right in line.

937
01:01:13,827 --> 01:01:16,957
It's probably the same process

938
01:01:17,957 --> 01:01:19,497
in, in different ways.

939
01:01:19,797 --> 01:01:22,917
focus, different language,
you know, slightly different.

940
01:01:23,427 --> 01:01:25,977
The truth is, is I started
writing the great work.

941
01:01:26,662 --> 01:01:29,512
Then I found Avalon Within.

942
01:01:29,842 --> 01:01:31,572
I was like, okay, well forget that.

943
01:01:31,582 --> 01:01:32,902
So I shelved it.

944
01:01:33,392 --> 01:01:37,922
Um, and it was Jenna who was like,
Would you just write your book?

945
01:01:38,752 --> 01:01:40,682
Because it's a different system.

946
01:01:42,792 --> 01:01:43,572
And that's just the thing.

947
01:01:43,692 --> 01:01:44,932
We need all of it.

948
01:01:44,972 --> 01:01:48,382
I mean, so many things resonate
with so many different people in

949
01:01:48,382 --> 01:01:51,607
different times of their life and Yeah.

950
01:01:51,607 --> 01:01:54,737
And I think we tend to do that sometimes
where you think like, Oh, they compete

951
01:01:54,737 --> 01:01:56,637
with each other, but really they all

952
01:01:56,712 --> 01:01:58,142
They enhance.

953
01:01:58,477 --> 01:02:04,217
together like this giant web of,
I don't know, beauty, information,

954
01:02:04,832 --> 01:02:07,262
And it's funny because I
have found with, with Jenna.

955
01:02:07,272 --> 01:02:09,862
So, so then we went off.

956
01:02:09,862 --> 01:02:10,362
We wrote.

957
01:02:10,922 --> 01:02:15,002
You know, we didn't even know each other
writing books, and then we covered it up.

958
01:02:15,962 --> 01:02:17,032
Oh, darn.

959
01:02:17,782 --> 01:02:21,572
Again, very similar themes, but
totally different books, right?

960
01:02:22,592 --> 01:02:22,907
So.

961
01:02:23,207 --> 01:02:27,127
guys in wavelength and you're just,
you're downloading the same things at

962
01:02:27,127 --> 01:02:31,987
the same time, and it just means you are
meant to be connected and that's great.

963
01:02:32,317 --> 01:02:37,537
So can you let us know how we can find
you and those courses when we want to

964
01:02:37,537 --> 01:02:40,437
be, uh, In the loop of what you've got

965
01:02:40,602 --> 01:02:47,132
So, both of those now, they're,
um, my website, which is www.

966
01:02:47,254 --> 01:02:48,572
tiffanylazik.

967
01:02:48,592 --> 01:02:49,062
com.

968
01:02:49,492 --> 01:02:53,052
Um, I do have those courses.

969
01:02:53,552 --> 01:02:56,452
Well, the, the, um, one
of them is group therapy.

970
01:02:56,492 --> 01:03:02,632
So it's a year long, um, process of
group therapy, which I do in alignment

971
01:03:02,642 --> 01:03:05,952
with the cycle of the seasons,
which was a bit of an experiment

972
01:03:05,962 --> 01:03:08,572
two years ago, but it's so powerful.

973
01:03:09,167 --> 01:03:13,907
Having done it for a whole year,
the changes have been remarkable.

974
01:03:14,757 --> 01:03:21,247
So that's under Psychotherapy, but
under the Academy, there's a place

975
01:03:21,257 --> 01:03:25,497
that says Additional Courses or
Other Courses, and that's where the

976
01:03:25,607 --> 01:03:29,327
Great Work Weekly Study group is.

977
01:03:30,177 --> 01:03:30,497
good.

978
01:03:31,067 --> 01:03:34,357
And I will post links to that
on the blog for this, for the

979
01:03:34,357 --> 01:03:35,341
show notes, for this, this

980
01:03:35,757 --> 01:03:36,147
Awesome.

981
01:03:36,582 --> 01:03:39,652
So anybody listening right now
who's like, How do I find this?

982
01:03:39,692 --> 01:03:44,182
I will get the link and I'll
put it on that, um, blog post.

983
01:03:44,282 --> 01:03:47,432
So you can find that on prism healing.

984
01:03:47,712 --> 01:03:49,172
com, my website.

985
01:03:49,312 --> 01:03:51,562
And at the top there's
a tab that says blog.

986
01:03:52,052 --> 01:03:56,012
My blog is all the episodes
of Practically Magic there.

987
01:03:56,852 --> 01:04:00,102
So, come and find me, go find Tiffany.

988
01:04:00,252 --> 01:04:04,052
We'll provide you with all the things
you need to become an alchemist.

989
01:04:04,102 --> 01:04:07,952
And Achieve your own transformation.

990
01:04:08,552 --> 01:04:10,392
And let your light shine.

991
01:04:11,182 --> 01:04:11,352
Yes.

992
01:04:11,982 --> 01:04:14,632
So go make magic, witches and wizards.

993
01:04:14,672 --> 01:04:15,732
We'll see you next time.