Exploring the Mysteries of 'The Love Witch' and 'The Autopsy of Jane Doe'

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There it is again.

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That violin.

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I just can't get over that
violin and that witch laughing.

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Is that actual, actual
footage of you, Courtney?

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Where did we get that witch laugh?

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It's not me,

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Okay.

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I really need to work on my cackle.

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I don't have a good cackle.

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You don't have a cackle, huh?

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Yeah, but I, I think the older I get, the
more I, more I'm getting to it, right?

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Is that what it is?

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But you're like 700 something years old,
so you gotta get even older than that.

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Oh, okay, okay.

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Here we are, it's the Witch Movie Project.

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This is a big episode today because
two of these movies, I love both

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of these movies, I don't think
you've seen either one of them.

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Yeah, a lot of nakedness in both.

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So you got a lot of good
stuff going on there.

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Yeah, usually, usually we like
to, uh, one of us usually likes

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to, uh, decorate ourselves as, uh,

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We do a little cosplay.

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This one not so much.

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We couldn't cosplay.

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I could have done that.

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We could have done the uh, the eyelids
from Samantha's character in Lovewitch

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because that's one of the movies.

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Uh, we could have done that.

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I got my wingtips on today.

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You just can't, can't really tell,

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That's true.

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That's true.

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right into my wrinkles.

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But this is the Lovewitch
and the autopsy of Jane Doe.

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This is all leading up to the big event,
October 26th, Novel Daybreak by Crescent

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Communities presents the Witch Movie
Project live podcast taping October and

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movie screening and costume contest prizes
are donated by land of a thousand hills

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thank you so much for that man that's
it's gonna be crazy over there i gotta

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say though i don't like to play favorites
but one of these movies that we're about

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to talk about today i really hope i hope
is is the one that we screen i really do

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Yeah.

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We've each got our little favorites.

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Try not to let that, uh, influence
our audience and what they

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decide or what they vote for.

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But we've got our hopes.

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Thanks.

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Thanks.

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but we're trying yeah so let's go ahead
and get to today's episode let's go

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check out these two movies the love
witch and the autopsy of jane doe

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I am so excited about
these two movies, Courtney.

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I know, I know.

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these

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are your pick.

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really though, I have only seen
these for the first time in the last

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maybe year or so, and guess what?

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These 2016 within months of each other.

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Yeah!

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They couldn't be more
similar, but so far apart.

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Once again, it's a, it's a common
theme here, what we're doing.

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But to me, you've got one witch who
is trying way too hard to get the

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result, and you got one witch who lays

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there.

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you know,

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yeah, and we could talk about what
real witchcraft might look like,

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and it's probably a little bit more
like the Jane Doe, I have to say.

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So our second movie is
The Autopsy of Jane Doe.

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The first movie is The Love
Witch with Samantha Robinson.

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Like, holy cow.

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First up, what about the art direction?

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Like, it's, I ran across this movie late
at night one time, maybe a year ago, and

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I was like, Man, is this from the 70s?

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Like, this is awesome, but
how does it look so good?

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And then I finally looked in and found
out that, oh, this is the art style.

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This was the direction.

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They used the technicolor
and made the colors pop.

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Her makeup, I mean, like,
it's every, it pops.

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I know you have some facts about that.

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Yeah, yeah, go

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ahead.

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Oh, I had to look it up
because I'm Emma Willis.

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I have my notes here.

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You're going to hear me
like shuffling pages.

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Um, Emma Willis is the, the makeup.

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And I mean, you have to give
props because it's on point.

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I tried to do my little cat eye eyeliner
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had to do this side like four times.

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I still couldn't get it right.

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It's really hard to do a cat eye.

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It's a, this movie though
is a, like a visual feast.

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It looks like the sixties, seventies,
somewhere in that timeframe.

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That's for me.

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So I'm not really sure, but.

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It's the story, it follows, wait, she's
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that what you would say, and, uh, she's
trying to use her powers to find love.

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Like, is that the gist of it?

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Yeah, but this is a really good example
of, um, like we talked about last week,

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like, the intentions of the witch herself.

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If she's in a good mindset or if
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what those spells will create.

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Um, and I don't think it's any surprise
that, um, Elaine, our main character,

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the love witch, she's in sort of
a Um, coming from a crisis mode.

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She was in a mental health facility.

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She talks about this in the,
in the opening sequence.

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She's driving.

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She's like, everybody's been
abused and much worse than I have.

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And, you know, they'll be okay.

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And she's talking about trying to
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So she's been in this breakdown that
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of desperation of trying to figure out.

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What did I do wrong in
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Why didn't it work?

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Why didn't he love me?

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So it's no surprise that the spells
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like how this is playing out.

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She's, she's coming at it
with that energy, right?

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Yeah, and let's, and let's just say that
she's just a badass, because as she's

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driving in that opening sequence, she's
chain smoking what I found to, to, to

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be, after pausing it and zooming in.

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Man, those are like Newport menthols.

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She is hardcore smoking, but
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Like it's, it's

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that,

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it's the sixties.

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You can be at, yeah, you, you can
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throughout the movie and all that.

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and it's just, it adds to it,
but it gives you that, I don't

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know, that, that kind of grunge

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feel, but yet she makes it look so good.

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They all kind of do.

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I mean, everybody in
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These movies also, both of these movies,
lots of naked, lots of nakedness.

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One movie, you got the witch
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time, not in a sexual way.

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But in the other love words,
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She is.

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Very much.

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So once again, you got the comparison
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uh, outcomes of what their, uh,

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scantily cladness would be

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Well, there's a lot of
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with a retro suit.

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we get into like when, when the rituals
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I mean, it's a very common, uh, uh,
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of witchcraft or like witches in the
woods, they're going to be naked.

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They're going to be dancing around a fire.

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They're going to be
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I mean, that's sort of the imagery
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Um, what's interesting though, it's really
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because all the women are attractive.

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Um, almost, I mean, all the
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beautiful, not a blemish in sight.

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And the men, not traditionally attractive.

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I mean, not what you would
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So you're kind of like, we gave a
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to women, but those attracted to
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for the eyes that, uh, we deserve.

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Because even in the man, the man
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like it's, it's not much to look at.

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And then we're not out here judging, but

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I say traditionally attractive
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in a, in a one size fits all.

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yeah.

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I totally see that.

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And I mean, that's kind of, honestly,
that's, that's a big theme of

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the movie here is, is, uh, She's
just kind of looking for love.

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It doesn't matter.

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She, you know, it's not, she
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I don't guess, or does she?

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Well, it seems like she's
definitely, um, open to anything.

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someone gives her a
little bit of attention.

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She's like, all right,
I'm going with this.

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And we'll see how far I can get here or
I will see where this, this pans out.

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But when talking about, um, the,
the technicolor, the cinematography

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of like, making it look like the,
uh, it was made in the 1960s.

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I, I realized I have quite a bias
against movies that are older and, and

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I'm realizing that because when you
brought this movie up when we were first

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making our list, I looked it up and
I was like, Oh, this movie looks old.

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I don't know if I want to watch this.

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Is it going to be like super boring?

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Am I going to sit here and
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And then I looked at the, the year 2016.

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I was like, wait, what?

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Yeah.

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What?

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Yep.

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looks like it was absolutely plucked
right out of, in fact, the choice of

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actors, they were just obscure enough.

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I didn't know any of
them from other things.

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So I was like, Oh, they, they totally
could have been from the sixties.

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only that, you didn't know them much,
but they all were stars in the movie.

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Like they, Samantha Robinson
shines, Jeffrey Fenton Price shines,

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Jennifer Ingram shine, like they
all shine, everybody in this movie.

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Like you said, I love that it
fits it, because if they would

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have picked a, I don't want to say
these people aren't A listers, but

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if they would have picked a huge,

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Mm hmm.

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if you'd have put a,

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hmm.

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who, Angelina Jolie in

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the,

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Tom Hanks

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exactly, you already

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Sergeant Griff.

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Can you picture that?

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Let's get an A hundreds.

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No, but the guy, uh, I don't
know if I say his name again.

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Keys that plays.

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Griff, yeah.

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Griff, amazing!

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His facial expressions fit
the 1960s style of acting.

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I mean, it just, it makes you
feel like you are watching a

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movie from that time period.

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Like, boop, right out of the,

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I wanted you to get into the tarot
cards and the artwork because there's

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a lot of stuff that I, an outsider to
this kind of lore, might have missed

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and I know you picked up on it because
there's lots of tarot cards, there's,

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uh, she's mixing herbs, there's all
the, there's witch stuff, there's a lot

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of witch stuff going on, but I don't
know what to, tell me about some, I

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mean, she puts some sort of spell on
the first guy, Wayne, was it Wayne?

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And then she takes a, a, a used
tampon, and I'm not saying that in

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a derogatory way, literally, a used
tampon, and puts it into a bottle

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of some sort with some other, which
stuff, like, what is all this?

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Is this typical stuff?

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Like, what is this?

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Okay, we can get into all of that.

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I want to, I want to start from
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her going into the house, she even
mentions, um, she meets Trish.

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Trish is like, Oh, your friend
Barbara couldn't meet you.

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I'm here to let you into the apartment.

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Um, Trish is British.

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What a powerhouse,

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that's

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What a powerhouse Trish

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right.

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Oh, she's fantastic.

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And she, uh, she talks about the artwork.

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So she says, um, she decorated
the apartment and it's like based

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on the Thoth Tarot, um, which the
director intentionally decorated

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the artwork, all of that, the
colors coming from the Thoth Tarot.

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And what's interesting
about that is that they're.

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There's the Thoth tarot, and there's a
Rider Waite Smith that are considered to

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be kind of the original artwork for tarot.

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Um, they're a little bit different,
but they come from the same place.

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So they are the same time period.

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And I wrote it down.

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They are both from Oh shoot, now
I have to find it in my notes.

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Um, there's a certain society I
have so many notes here that it's

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like, everything gets lost in

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ask you that, on the tarot
cards and all, go ahead,

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So, Rider Waite Smith, they are a group
of people who wrote, like, what we

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consider to be kind of the original,
um, artwork that was published.

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It was first multi Um, but they're both
from the Hermetic Order of the Golden

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Dawn, a secret society that created both
the Thoth Tarot and the Rider Waite Smith.

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And what's interesting is when you see
Elaine later doing a tarot reading,

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When, um, Wayne is going through his
little tough time there and she's

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sitting there and she does a tarot
reading, uh, I had to stop and pause

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on that because I'm like, actually
that's the Rider Waite Smith deck.

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So they mention Thoth as the inspiration
for the artwork in the apartment.

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You have a lot of those like bright
colors, like a lot of like primary

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colors, blue, red, yellow, right?

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It's very bright, but
just very interesting.

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And we'll get into like,
as we go through the movie.

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Some meanings of those tarot cards that
she pulls out when she does her reading.

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Yeah, because I got a lot
of questions about that.

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Let's go back to Trish.

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Yeah.

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She's, Laura Waddle is the one that
played her and I got a nerd out here

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for a minute because she's, she's
a big voice actor in video games.

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So if you're a bunch of games out
there, I think World of Warcraft,

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maybe even a Tomb Raider game or two.

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You might hear some similarities
there in her character, but

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that's just me nerd now.

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Love my video games.

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Anytime I can tie witches into
video games, that'd be awesome.

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Yeah.

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Whole other talk, whole other idea.

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Wait a minute, we'll get there,

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We might be on to something here.

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We need to sell this to a game
company and be like, hey, how can

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we create something from this?

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Yes, but

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I would buy it.

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get into the tarot art?

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Do you want to get into the tarot art now?

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Because I'm fascinated with it.

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well, she Let's see.

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I'm

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trying to think of where this begins.

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So, Trish and her go
to the te the tea room.

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Um, there's this really significant, um,
that the director, uh, Anna Biller, she

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says that when you see warm colors in
the that are in the shot, um, it's warm.

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representing the masculine
side, so the sun energy.

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And then you have cooler colors
in other scenes representing

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the feminine energy or the moon.

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So she had kind of a moon and
sun, um, play with colors in

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the different scenes there.

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So

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That matches up with what's That matches
definitely with what's going on in the

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movie because there's, there's a, it's
the themes of love, obsession, and the

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power dynamics between men and women.

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And see Elaine as, it's, she's a symbol
of women empowerment in this, but

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it's also everything that men fear.

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It's everything, it's really,
she's all of those things, but

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still able to get what she wants.

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And I think that's a powerful
message to get across there.

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Yeah.

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And it's interesting because the
conversation between Elaine and Trish, At

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the tea room when they first meet, it's
really setting you up for the, the sort of

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play in the movie of what is it is, what
are the actual feminist undertones here?

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What is actually the message?

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Because you have Trish, who's like,
listening to this, like, you just

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have to be his fantasy and you
have to give him whatever he wants.

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And men, men are simple
and they're like children.

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They just, they have their
needs and blah, blah, blah.

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And Trish is like,

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uh, what about my needs?

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Uh, what, and I'm like,
who's the feminist here?

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And who actually has power, right?

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Because

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is it Trish who believes that
like, well, women should be

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able to have their careers.

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I should be able to go
to a furniture convention

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Yeah,

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yeah, right.

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not go crazy while I'm gone.

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Like, he should be able to handle himself.

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He should love me.

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For me.

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She's like, oh, I guess, I guess
my husband just loves me for me.

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And I, and she believes that
at that moment in, in the

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movie, whereas Elaine is like.

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By the end of the movie, giving a speech
about how, you know, I become their

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fantasy and then their mind to control
and, but she's really living her life

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to be whatever men want her to be.

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Right?

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So it kind of, it begs this question
of like, is men objectifying you

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actual power or is that playing into
still the idea that we exist for men?

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Something to think about
for you feminists out there.

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you're right.

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There is a balance.

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There's a fine line of balance
between those two things.

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It's like you could tip one
way or the other very easily.

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And it's there.

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I love that, that you picked up.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, we're skipping around
a little bit, but at the end when

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she says, Witchcraft gave me power.

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She's not wrong there.

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Obviously you see throughout the
movie these, uh, these, uh, hints

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or these clues that Aileen was
abused as a child by her father.

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She was, uh, treated poorly, badly,
and disrespected by her husband.

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And, uh, she is clearly in a mental state
of like, Believing her worth depends

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on how the men in her life see her.

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So she says, Witchcraft saved my life.

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Witchcraft is my power.

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And that is a really good point because
a lot of women turn to witchcraft because

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they feel powerless in their life.

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They're in an oppressed, they're part
of the oppressed, um, society or gender.

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So it's their way of being like, well,
if I can't have power in society, I'm at

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least going to have power in this way.

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Right.

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So

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yeah, so with that being said,

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that little rant is over.

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you can rant all you want, but I love
that the take, I mean, that's what

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we're, that's what we're trying to do
here is break down and find out and

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look at symbols and compare things.

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And the, and the themes, like what,
what is the director really trying

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to show here with a, Female director,
you've got these undertones of like,

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the feminist point of view, right?

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And may I just say, so we're going
through the movie, and we have Wendy,

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who is the shop owner at the little,
played by Jennifer Couch, um, at the

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little shop, Apothecary, where Elaine is
gonna sell her witch bottles and stuff.

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Um, We briefly see her twice in the movie.

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She has a very, you know, pretty
small moment, but I had to point it

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out because she's incredible too.

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Her acting, she's incredibly bland, right?

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And it makes you, it like
transports me back in time.

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It makes me think I'm watching a movie
from a whole generation ago, right?

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Like it's, it's there.

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Yeah.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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goes up to talk to her and Wendy's just
at the counter like, can I help you?

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I mean, it's just deadpan.

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Just.

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it's perfect.

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I had to give a shout out.

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I loved it.

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I love that.

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It is perfect.

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And the, the tarot cards artwork.

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I'm ready to get to that because
I got a lot of questions about it.

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I've seen different artwork with
the same names on all these cards.

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What were these cards that she had in this
movie and are they the same as we see?

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I know you talked about it a little bit
ago with the two different kinds, but

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what was, what were these that she had?

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Yeah.

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So she was, um, doing a little
reading three card spread.

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You see her doing that on the table
at Wayne's cabin, while Wayne's

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having a bit of a emotional breakdown.

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She does this, uh, spread and I'm
looking at it closer and I'm like,

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that's not Thoth, that's, uh, Rider
Waite Smith, at least from my knowledge.

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Now somebody else might know Terra
way more than me, I'm not an expert,

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but if somebody knows differently,
you can definitely shout it out to me.

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But I'm like, oh, that's, uh,
That's um, the Rider Waite

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Smith artwork that I know of.

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And so I pulled out my Rachel True deck,
and I found the same cards in the spread.

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So I'm thinking to myself, if I
was doing this tarot reading, what

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would I think about these cards?

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And she pulls up the Five of Cups.

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I'm going to try to show it on
camera, because if you are watching

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on YouTube, then you can see it.

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This is her interpretation
of the Five of Cups.

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It looks very different than the movie.

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Or the Rider Waite Smith.

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But the meaning, you know, different
tarot artists and tarot writers can

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do kind of their own interpretation of
the tarot, and that's totally allowed.

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So, while everything has a symbol and
a meaning, it's also up for intuition

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and interpretation based on the
reader, based on the artwork of the

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deck, all that can be an influence.

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But you'll see in this card
how it doesn't necessarily

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look like a very positive card.

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You have like a woman in a bathtub
and there's portraits all around her

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with eyes and the cups are around
her spilling out water and she's

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kind of in a like crying state.

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And I don't like to say that there's
tarot cards that are bad or negative,

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but, um, but there are tarot cards that
are going to be pretty blunt and are

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going to be like, Yeah, the joke is,
Oracle cards are like, everything is

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rainbows, everything is wonderful, and
Terra was like, you're in trouble, girl.

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So, it'll give you the truth,
is the me is the basic.

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Kind of like, so you're saying
it'll, it'll turn out like that

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Tarot movie that just came out.

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Ugh, love it!

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Hey, watch out for the bonus episode where
me and Courtney Pearl break down Tarot.

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We have to talk about that one because
that came out well after we made our list,

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but it was pretty interesting, right?

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But yeah, the idea here is like the
five of cups means emotional turmoil.

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It's a point of struggle.

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It's not like everything's easy breezy.

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Everything's going to turn out your way.

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She's got the tarot or the
tower card in the middle.

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The tower is notorious for
being like everything's about

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to blow up in your face.

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Get ready, you're gonna have to
leap from a burning building.

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That's kind of the energy of the tower.

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And then of course, this shows
up a few times in the movie, the

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Three of Swords, with the heart
being stabbed to three swords.

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I mean, I don't think you have to
be a tarot reader to like, kind

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of derive some meaning from that.

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It's a heart.

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It's been stabbed three times.

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So that's the reading she gets with Wayne.

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Mm

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Now,

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the whole thing, like, you just mentioned
the heart with the swords, and I'm

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thinking about some of the imagery
we see, background, the, we already

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talked about the vibrant colors, but
there's a lot of symbolism in the, in

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the rituals that they're performing,
and on top of that, the color schemes

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and the way it's all arranged,
almost, feels Like you're in a dream.

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It feels like you're asleep.

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It's very dreamlike.

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Um, which fits into the whole,
the theme of love and passion.

471
00:24:35,618 --> 00:24:38,878
You know, you're, you're, you're
like the movie feels euphoric.

472
00:24:40,498 --> 00:24:42,348
It's not as happy as our other movie, but

473
00:24:43,033 --> 00:24:44,003
No.

474
00:24:44,308 --> 00:24:44,848
one yet, because

475
00:24:44,853 --> 00:24:50,023
different vibe, but still in the
horror, um, when I, you know, when I

476
00:24:50,023 --> 00:24:53,303
looked it up, it was considered, um,
in the article that I was reading,

477
00:24:53,313 --> 00:24:55,343
it was considered a horror comedy.

478
00:24:56,703 --> 00:25:00,093
Which you can definitely see that aspect
of it because there's some moments

479
00:25:00,113 --> 00:25:02,473
that are just kind of like, what?

480
00:25:02,918 --> 00:25:03,598
way over the top.

481
00:25:03,673 --> 00:25:04,873
is happening right now?

482
00:25:05,173 --> 00:25:09,048
Like the, there's a sequence in there
where they're at like a medieval festival

483
00:25:09,058 --> 00:25:10,658
type thing and there's a dance scene.

484
00:25:10,708 --> 00:25:13,408
I'm like, man, this is, this
is, this is wild, you know?

485
00:25:13,813 --> 00:25:16,893
Lots of tarot symbols in
that medieval scene too.

486
00:25:17,123 --> 00:25:20,033
You've got the big sun in the
background where they're playing out

487
00:25:20,043 --> 00:25:24,673
the, um, which by the way, there's,
they call it a midsummer festival.

488
00:25:25,878 --> 00:25:30,348
But at the same time, they have the
Holly King, um, battling with winter.

489
00:25:30,398 --> 00:25:30,888
Um,

490
00:25:33,028 --> 00:25:36,708
it reads a little bit more like a,
or as the young kids would say, it's

491
00:25:36,778 --> 00:25:40,058
giving, it's giving spring vibes,

492
00:25:40,358 --> 00:25:40,968
Yeah.

493
00:25:41,298 --> 00:25:43,258
but he calls it midsummer.

494
00:25:43,428 --> 00:25:46,168
So I don't know, but there's
a lot of tarot symbols.

495
00:25:46,308 --> 00:25:50,658
Uh, the fool, the jester that's
running around with this little jester

496
00:25:50,668 --> 00:25:53,118
scepter, and he's kind of being silly.

497
00:25:53,868 --> 00:25:58,333
Those are all symbols from the major
arcana of the Of the tarot deck.

498
00:25:58,523 --> 00:25:59,003
So,

499
00:25:59,538 --> 00:26:00,138
great to know.

500
00:26:00,168 --> 00:26:03,892
See, I thought maybe I picked
up on that, but it was there.

501
00:26:04,188 --> 00:26:05,478
It's very evident.

502
00:26:06,358 --> 00:26:13,528
Uh, my final thoughts on Love Witch is,
I think it's, it's a, it's a classic,

503
00:26:15,438 --> 00:26:16,928
and I mean that in two different ways.

504
00:26:16,928 --> 00:26:23,553
It's, it looks like a classic, but I think
it's also Stands the test of time, or

505
00:26:23,553 --> 00:26:29,963
whatever you want to call it, and I think
it just has its own place in witch horror.

506
00:26:30,153 --> 00:26:33,283
It has its own place in folk horror genre.

507
00:26:33,783 --> 00:26:35,183
It's a work of art.

508
00:26:35,243 --> 00:26:36,253
I really did enjoy it.

509
00:26:37,398 --> 00:26:44,358
I want to shout out that Ocelot Soap
Laboratories, that's the, the, the people

510
00:26:44,358 --> 00:26:46,238
who, uh, basically produced this film.

511
00:26:46,838 --> 00:26:51,008
And I love that, I love that company
because they did a movie that I

512
00:26:51,008 --> 00:26:52,748
really, really love called Coherence.

513
00:26:53,588 --> 00:26:56,878
And this one's not a
witch movie, Courtney, so

514
00:26:57,313 --> 00:26:57,543
uh,

515
00:26:58,058 --> 00:26:58,628
paper your,

516
00:26:58,833 --> 00:26:59,493
all be great.

517
00:26:59,793 --> 00:27:02,948
exactly, yeah, but this movie, I've
seen this movie over a hundred times,

518
00:27:03,208 --> 00:27:09,158
um, and they, and I'm just pointing
that out because the artistic direction

519
00:27:09,178 --> 00:27:12,088
in this and what they do in Coherence.

520
00:27:12,898 --> 00:27:18,238
It's almost like, to me, uh, this
company, Oscilloscope Laboratories,

521
00:27:18,768 --> 00:27:20,608
they are almost like an A24.

522
00:27:20,648 --> 00:27:22,068
It's like, you're gonna get experience.

523
00:27:22,468 --> 00:27:24,338
Coherence isn't just an experience.

524
00:27:24,388 --> 00:27:26,208
Coherence is shot like a stage play.

525
00:27:26,798 --> 00:27:29,778
The actors knew bullet points, but
they didn't get given a script.

526
00:27:30,238 --> 00:27:32,468
So I love when people are
thinking outside the box.

527
00:27:33,368 --> 00:27:36,013
This Love Witch movie is
outside the box with the

528
00:27:36,313 --> 00:27:37,113
Mm hmm.

529
00:27:37,268 --> 00:27:39,878
The whole thing is, it's like you
said, you were like, Oh my gosh, I'm

530
00:27:39,878 --> 00:27:41,018
gonna have to watch an old movie.

531
00:27:41,778 --> 00:27:43,998
Nah, it's only five years
old, six years old, you know,

532
00:27:44,298 --> 00:27:44,643
Yeah.

533
00:27:44,903 --> 00:27:49,053
It was, it was, it was, uh,
challenging my bias and I'm

534
00:27:49,063 --> 00:27:50,593
happy to be challenged in that.

535
00:27:50,913 --> 00:27:54,163
There's plenty of movies that were
made 30 years ago, 50 years ago.

536
00:27:54,283 --> 00:27:56,553
They're fantastic movies as well.

537
00:27:56,583 --> 00:27:57,963
So I need to get over that.

538
00:27:57,973 --> 00:27:59,013
That's my issue.

539
00:27:59,113 --> 00:27:59,773
Not yours.

540
00:28:00,278 --> 00:28:01,198
A problem for the movie.

541
00:28:01,498 --> 00:28:05,348
We've got some of those coming
up here later on in this project

542
00:28:05,348 --> 00:28:07,538
we're doing, but what are your
final thoughts on the Love Witch?

543
00:28:07,888 --> 00:28:09,138
Okay, final thoughts.

544
00:28:09,348 --> 00:28:14,198
This is a feast for the eyes but it's
also a feast for the witch because if a

545
00:28:14,198 --> 00:28:17,758
witch watches and you're watching for all
of this symbolism and you're looking for

546
00:28:17,758 --> 00:28:22,023
things like what's in the witch bottle
and what they do, um, which by the way,

547
00:28:22,393 --> 00:28:28,663
Uh, using parts of your own body is, is,
uh, that is a practice in witchcraft.

548
00:28:28,733 --> 00:28:33,616
Um, typically I don't see people
using urine and tampons in witchcraft.

549
00:28:33,693 --> 00:28:35,923
That's just not the way I've seen it done.

550
00:28:35,924 --> 00:28:38,873
I'm not saying that isn't
something that people might do.

551
00:28:39,508 --> 00:28:44,038
I mean, if you think about it, it's,
yeah, you're using the menstrual cycle to

552
00:28:44,138 --> 00:28:44,648
attract

553
00:28:45,028 --> 00:28:45,798
blood.

554
00:28:45,818 --> 00:28:47,938
Yeah, I have used hair.

555
00:28:48,368 --> 00:28:52,468
So like in making an offering when I
am picking things from my garden, I

556
00:28:52,468 --> 00:28:54,258
don't want to just take from the plants.

557
00:28:54,288 --> 00:28:58,788
I usually leave like a strand of
hair in the soil to nourish it

558
00:28:58,808 --> 00:29:01,088
with whatever offering that I can.

559
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,248
Um, you know, our nail clippings or
things like that that might nourish

560
00:29:05,248 --> 00:29:09,778
a garden and be offered back to the
earth, you know, just in a symbol.

561
00:29:10,503 --> 00:29:16,153
Symbolistic, uh, symbolic of reciprocity
with the land, things like that.

562
00:29:16,573 --> 00:29:20,093
Um, however, I did just want to
point out that the tampon thing.

563
00:29:20,503 --> 00:29:25,123
It bothers me because we just found
out, research just showed how much

564
00:29:25,373 --> 00:29:31,215
chemicals and lead is in tampons, so
that doesn't seem quite as natural, um,

565
00:29:31,323 --> 00:29:34,973
as the menstrual blood would maybe do
in the witchcraft, so I'm just gonna,

566
00:29:35,198 --> 00:29:35,828
Why it didn't work

567
00:29:35,828 --> 00:29:36,018
out.

568
00:29:36,563 --> 00:29:38,043
Maybe that's that why
it didn't work out for.

569
00:29:38,188 --> 00:29:38,598
Maybe that was it.

570
00:29:38,753 --> 00:29:39,513
that's not why, yeah.

571
00:29:40,323 --> 00:29:42,488
Not a, not a fan, not a fan, but.

572
00:29:43,078 --> 00:29:45,508
My final thought is in the tarot.

573
00:29:45,518 --> 00:29:49,198
So you see Richard, the married
man that she has an affair with, he

574
00:29:49,198 --> 00:29:50,978
does a little tarot spread as well.

575
00:29:51,546 --> 00:29:54,698
And in his spread, you see the devil card.

576
00:29:55,623 --> 00:29:59,643
And in the devil card, you have
two people, usually man and woman,

577
00:30:00,113 --> 00:30:03,573
um, naked on the card with the
devil, and they're chained up.

578
00:30:04,723 --> 00:30:09,373
And this card usually comes up when
we're talking about addiction, or

579
00:30:09,373 --> 00:30:13,783
we're talking about vices, or things
that keep you trapped and chained

580
00:30:13,843 --> 00:30:18,513
and, you know, when you're too much in
your ego and that's not serving you.

581
00:30:19,213 --> 00:30:23,543
But it is, in contrast, and a lot of
tarot readers read them as opposites.

582
00:30:24,533 --> 00:30:28,033
It is the, um, balancing
card with the lover's card.

583
00:30:28,348 --> 00:30:28,828
Okay.

584
00:30:29,423 --> 00:30:33,643
So they have the same, uh,
kind of imagery on them.

585
00:30:33,643 --> 00:30:36,913
You have the two people chained
up on the devil card, and you have

586
00:30:36,913 --> 00:30:40,233
the two lovers on the lover card.

587
00:30:40,973 --> 00:30:49,273
And I think that is very, um, much,
The overall takeaway from this movie

588
00:30:49,633 --> 00:30:55,203
is that it's, you know, to be careful
with what you want and like what

589
00:30:55,203 --> 00:31:00,883
you're actually seeking for, because
she kept seeking for real, true love.

590
00:31:02,398 --> 00:31:09,478
And what she got was a lot of lust,
passion, um, insecurity, uh, you

591
00:31:09,478 --> 00:31:11,668
know, it didn't work in her favor.

592
00:31:11,668 --> 00:31:14,828
It was more like the devil
card showing up, right?

593
00:31:17,328 --> 00:31:17,818
I love it.

594
00:31:18,478 --> 00:31:18,568
I

595
00:31:18,568 --> 00:31:19,908
think I will watch.

596
00:31:19,968 --> 00:31:21,128
Are you gonna watch this movie again?

597
00:31:21,998 --> 00:31:27,018
Oh yeah, yeah, this will be like
maybe a certain time of year favorite,

598
00:31:27,028 --> 00:31:29,698
maybe during Valentine's Day season.

599
00:31:29,718 --> 00:31:30,738
I mean, it's The Love Witch.

600
00:31:30,768 --> 00:31:31,138
I do.

601
00:31:31,178 --> 00:31:33,908
I think that'd be a great, great
one to, uh, maybe we'll, maybe we'll

602
00:31:33,908 --> 00:31:35,178
screen that for Valentine's Day.

603
00:31:35,738 --> 00:31:37,518
Oh, that'd be amazing.

604
00:31:38,808 --> 00:31:39,728
Put some people in their spare.

605
00:31:40,318 --> 00:31:43,502
Maybe we'll have a naked ritual
or whatever they did in the

606
00:31:43,502 --> 00:31:44,378
movie and we'll set up a,

607
00:31:44,678 --> 00:31:49,103
Yeah, yeah, my days of doing
anything like that were long gone

608
00:31:49,103 --> 00:31:50,403
if they ever happened at all.

609
00:31:50,653 --> 00:31:53,333
I don't think people
ever catch me doing that.

610
00:31:54,268 --> 00:31:56,993
speaking of naked, let's
talk about this next movie.

611
00:31:57,293 --> 00:31:57,413
Oh,

612
00:31:58,468 --> 00:32:00,348
The autopsy of Jane Doe.

613
00:32:00,783 --> 00:32:01,428
I know.

614
00:32:01,728 --> 00:32:04,888
I don't like to call stuff
favorites and all that,

615
00:32:04,888 --> 00:32:05,188
but this

616
00:32:05,253 --> 00:32:07,623
but you've been chomping at
the bit since the beginning.

617
00:32:07,803 --> 00:32:08,603
I know that.

618
00:32:08,868 --> 00:32:09,518
this movie

619
00:32:09,553 --> 00:32:09,983
tell.

620
00:32:10,548 --> 00:32:12,058
up at the top for me.

621
00:32:12,688 --> 00:32:13,848
Uh, it's,

622
00:32:14,293 --> 00:32:14,923
I can see why.

623
00:32:16,748 --> 00:32:17,748
where do you start with this movie?

624
00:32:17,978 --> 00:32:24,178
You've got, you've got the
protagonist that never moves.

625
00:32:24,628 --> 00:32:25,388
She's laying on a

626
00:32:25,388 --> 00:32:25,738
table,

627
00:32:25,743 --> 00:32:29,183
main character, the witch of this movie,

628
00:32:31,048 --> 00:32:31,788
never moves.

629
00:32:32,128 --> 00:32:32,398
Or does

630
00:32:35,088 --> 00:32:35,388
she?

631
00:32:35,398 --> 00:32:41,738
Because I swear, like her face, her
impression, like it looks like they

632
00:32:41,738 --> 00:32:43,238
change a little bit in the movie.

633
00:32:43,743 --> 00:32:44,123
But they don't.

634
00:32:44,653 --> 00:32:47,023
well Matt even said at one point
when we were watching it, he

635
00:32:47,023 --> 00:32:48,543
goes, Did I just see her eye move?

636
00:32:49,973 --> 00:32:50,393
Now,

637
00:32:50,848 --> 00:32:51,958
And we weren't sure.

638
00:32:52,058 --> 00:32:52,978
It wasn't quite.

639
00:32:54,293 --> 00:32:59,043
Ian, Ian, the writer Ian Goldberg and
Richard Name, I saw an interview with them

640
00:32:59,053 --> 00:33:03,553
on, on, uh, Joe Bob, they, they, Joe Bob
Briggs and Darcy have done this movie and

641
00:33:03,578 --> 00:33:04,188
Mm hmm.

642
00:33:04,488 --> 00:33:07,513
Ian Goldberg, Joe Bob asked
him, did her face move?

643
00:33:07,513 --> 00:33:12,143
And he's like, no, it's just the, the
great acting of our main character,

644
00:33:13,903 --> 00:33:15,653
Jane Doe, which is played by

645
00:33:17,138 --> 00:33:18,118
Olwen Kelly.

646
00:33:18,503 --> 00:33:19,773
Owen Catherine Kelly.

647
00:33:19,903 --> 00:33:22,193
And she used, she used yoga.

648
00:33:23,058 --> 00:33:23,498
I know.

649
00:33:23,498 --> 00:33:29,228
And it said, yeah, I read that they had
looked for and the reason she was cast is

650
00:33:29,228 --> 00:33:36,943
because she is a. A yogi, uh, practices
yoga, and was able to stay still, they

651
00:33:36,943 --> 00:33:39,043
did not want to use, like, a fake body.

652
00:33:39,043 --> 00:33:42,023
They thought, oh, people will, will be
able to tell, and we don't want it to

653
00:33:42,023 --> 00:33:43,537
be fake, we want it to be a real body.

654
00:33:44,333 --> 00:33:48,653
And, I mean, that's incredible!

655
00:33:49,153 --> 00:33:50,593
Mind blowing!

656
00:33:51,763 --> 00:33:52,503
She laid there.

657
00:33:53,343 --> 00:33:57,383
For eight to ten hours a day,
during filming, on a metal table.

658
00:33:59,303 --> 00:34:01,093
In a room full of probably men,

659
00:34:01,693 --> 00:34:02,033
Yeah.

660
00:34:02,153 --> 00:34:02,213
I

661
00:34:02,333 --> 00:34:04,663
like vulnerable and still

662
00:34:06,723 --> 00:34:08,513
put on what I would call an Oscar.

663
00:34:08,513 --> 00:34:11,233
This is an Oscar winning performance
without having to do anything.

664
00:34:12,163 --> 00:34:16,933
Say that, I say that because you, I know
you gotta do a lot to do that, but on the

665
00:34:16,933 --> 00:34:18,353
surface you don't have to do anything.

666
00:34:19,088 --> 00:34:19,898
Except do it well.

667
00:34:19,938 --> 00:34:20,358
She did it.

668
00:34:20,758 --> 00:34:29,088
She did it so well that that along
with what we'll get into, uh, Brian

669
00:34:29,088 --> 00:34:35,268
Cox and Neil Hirsch, the acting from
them, you are immersed in this film.

670
00:34:36,838 --> 00:34:39,568
You are trapped

671
00:34:39,963 --> 00:34:40,613
Mm hmm.

672
00:34:40,708 --> 00:34:44,318
at old, it's the old school mentality
of, Oh, the cabin in the woods, or,

673
00:34:44,988 --> 00:34:49,428
uh, how do we get everybody isolated
to where you can't get out to where

674
00:34:49,428 --> 00:34:50,928
you make the viewer feel that way?

675
00:34:51,428 --> 00:34:51,748
Sure.

676
00:34:51,748 --> 00:34:54,938
We've seen it a million
times, but not like this.

677
00:34:55,628 --> 00:34:56,118
Yeah,

678
00:34:56,463 --> 00:34:56,663
That's it all.

679
00:34:58,183 --> 00:34:58,473
Go ahead.

680
00:34:58,483 --> 00:34:59,233
You want to say something?

681
00:34:59,233 --> 00:34:59,623
I see you.

682
00:34:59,733 --> 00:35:00,173
I see you.

683
00:35:00,568 --> 00:35:03,848
well, I was just thinking about how
you, you only see the outside of the

684
00:35:03,848 --> 00:35:08,558
house in a couple little parts, you
know, right at the beginning, right at

685
00:35:08,558 --> 00:35:10,248
the end, the entire movie takes place.

686
00:35:10,798 --> 00:35:13,988
Like, underground, in this morgue, and

687
00:35:14,593 --> 00:35:16,563
In a, in a morgue and a family home.

688
00:35:16,663 --> 00:35:23,653
Now, how many people live
in the, you know, morgue or

689
00:35:25,133 --> 00:35:25,933
it's a little weird, right?

690
00:35:26,318 --> 00:35:27,188
I couldn't do it.

691
00:35:29,553 --> 00:35:31,823
I actually got a friend, I got
a good friend that I went to

692
00:35:31,823 --> 00:35:33,593
high school with, Stephanie.

693
00:35:33,623 --> 00:35:34,343
I love you, Stephanie.

694
00:35:34,893 --> 00:35:36,863
She lives above one in my hometown.

695
00:35:36,983 --> 00:35:38,443
She lives above a funeral home.

696
00:35:39,128 --> 00:35:39,768
Wow.

697
00:35:40,043 --> 00:35:40,813
Talked to her about it before.

698
00:35:40,813 --> 00:35:43,243
She said there's some weird stuff, but
you know, you just don't go looking.

699
00:35:44,758 --> 00:35:46,878
In this movie, they, they
didn't have a choice.

700
00:35:46,878 --> 00:35:52,168
Like the, the doors are opening,
there's bodies walking around.

701
00:35:52,178 --> 00:35:55,608
Like it's, you're on edge.

702
00:35:55,928 --> 00:35:56,888
Oh my gosh, yeah.

703
00:35:57,188 --> 00:36:00,768
There's all these little pieces, the
radio, you've got the radio playing

704
00:36:00,768 --> 00:36:05,418
different music at certain times
that matches up, you've got Brian

705
00:36:05,418 --> 00:36:07,628
Cox playing, uh, the dad, the, the

706
00:36:07,628 --> 00:36:08,088
main,

707
00:36:08,208 --> 00:36:09,478
he's fantastic.

708
00:36:10,128 --> 00:36:13,548
and he, he keeps his cool.

709
00:36:13,548 --> 00:36:15,508
It's like, I love how they're
cutting open the body.

710
00:36:15,508 --> 00:36:17,368
And he's like, Oh, I've
seen this a thousand times.

711
00:36:17,758 --> 00:36:22,438
Yeah, and it's generational, like they've,
they've, this, um, this job, this career

712
00:36:22,473 --> 00:36:26,418
has been in the family for generations,
so it's like, passed on to father to

713
00:36:26,418 --> 00:36:29,148
son, like, we just, we do autopsies.

714
00:36:29,528 --> 00:36:29,718
This

715
00:36:29,738 --> 00:36:30,578
the Tilden Morgue.

716
00:36:30,578 --> 00:36:33,988
The Tilden Morgue is what it
is in Virginia or somewhere.

717
00:36:35,738 --> 00:36:40,588
It's, he's, it's his life and you can
tell he's not really rattled by much.

718
00:36:40,628 --> 00:36:43,488
It's, many times he
says, Oh, it's a corpse.

719
00:36:43,568 --> 00:36:44,348
Oh, it's this, it's

720
00:36:44,408 --> 00:36:44,718
that.

721
00:36:45,408 --> 00:36:45,838
Yeah.

722
00:36:45,888 --> 00:36:49,208
There's got to be some
detachment in doing that job.

723
00:36:49,218 --> 00:36:52,288
Like, I'm not thinking about this
person, their life, or why or how

724
00:36:52,288 --> 00:36:57,418
they died, or why they died, but how
is the only question I need to ask.

725
00:36:57,428 --> 00:36:57,898
And

726
00:36:59,468 --> 00:37:00,538
He gets tested though.

727
00:37:01,008 --> 00:37:05,008
Like it's, as this movie progresses,
it's, we'll get to that part.

728
00:37:06,158 --> 00:37:06,528
But,

729
00:37:07,028 --> 00:37:13,858
So did you, did you, um, in doing some
research for this movie, uh, Emily Hirsch

730
00:37:14,038 --> 00:37:20,048
that, uh, plays Austin, the son, he
actually went and worked with coroners

731
00:37:20,158 --> 00:37:22,588
for a while to learn how to do it.

732
00:37:22,598 --> 00:37:29,218
So he was like, um, observing,
spent time with bodies, spent time

733
00:37:29,288 --> 00:37:31,408
like watching them do autopsies.

734
00:37:31,898 --> 00:37:34,528
Um, and Brian Cox was like, not me.

735
00:37:35,898 --> 00:37:36,418
I don't blame

736
00:37:36,468 --> 00:37:37,278
a better man than me.

737
00:37:37,318 --> 00:37:37,968
I can't do it.

738
00:37:38,283 --> 00:37:38,913
I cannot.

739
00:37:38,943 --> 00:37:40,893
That's too, it's too icky.

740
00:37:40,983 --> 00:37:42,753
It's too, you know, he
was too grossed out by it.

741
00:37:42,773 --> 00:37:43,153
So,

742
00:37:43,648 --> 00:37:43,738
him.

743
00:37:43,738 --> 00:37:46,688
I don't, I don't think I,
there's parts in this movie that

744
00:37:46,688 --> 00:37:47,938
I have a hard time watching.

745
00:37:47,938 --> 00:37:50,128
It's like Ooh, it makes me cringe.

746
00:37:50,138 --> 00:37:50,538
And I'm like,

747
00:37:52,778 --> 00:37:53,608
first of all, it's a movie.

748
00:37:53,988 --> 00:37:56,388
Second of all, if it was
real, it's an autopsy.

749
00:37:56,768 --> 00:38:00,758
Like it's, you got the, you have
to process all still me seeing

750
00:38:01,478 --> 00:38:02,908
them doing the big incisions.

751
00:38:02,938 --> 00:38:03,618
And what is it though?

752
00:38:04,068 --> 00:38:04,298
What is it?

753
00:38:04,813 --> 00:38:06,688
Cracking the ribs open.

754
00:38:06,988 --> 00:38:07,628
Oh man.

755
00:38:07,628 --> 00:38:07,818
The,

756
00:38:07,913 --> 00:38:11,823
hear the sound effects with the
crunch, crunch, crunch, all that.

757
00:38:12,128 --> 00:38:13,998
give me the rip saw or
whatever he calls it.

758
00:38:13,998 --> 00:38:14,258
Yeah.

759
00:38:14,258 --> 00:38:14,578
Yeah.

760
00:38:14,578 --> 00:38:18,578
It's, it's, it's excruciating to watch.

761
00:38:19,093 --> 00:38:25,183
And then when we find out later on
that, not only is it excruciating to

762
00:38:25,183 --> 00:38:29,683
watch, but it's excruciating for the
main character at the same time, even

763
00:38:29,683 --> 00:38:35,743
though she's dead, spoiler alert, sorry,
but she could feel all this happening

764
00:38:36,353 --> 00:38:36,733
Yeah.

765
00:38:37,063 --> 00:38:41,383
according to them, and I don't
want to jump too far ahead because

766
00:38:41,383 --> 00:38:47,383
there's a lot of things that are
lining up that are out of ordinary.

767
00:38:47,833 --> 00:38:50,913
You go from, if you catch these
little, these little signs and

768
00:38:50,913 --> 00:38:56,153
these little, little tidbits, such
as the very beginning of the movie.

769
00:38:56,733 --> 00:38:57,623
Beautiful weather.

770
00:38:58,223 --> 00:38:58,833
Yes.

771
00:38:59,033 --> 00:38:59,673
You hear it.

772
00:39:00,193 --> 00:39:02,013
You, you can hear it in the
background where they're talking about

773
00:39:02,023 --> 00:39:04,703
there's beautiful weather coming.

774
00:39:05,623 --> 00:39:07,003
No signs of anything, basically.

775
00:39:07,173 --> 00:39:07,803
And then guess what?

776
00:39:08,553 --> 00:39:11,863
That body shows up, all hell breaks loose.

777
00:39:12,213 --> 00:39:12,893
Mm hmm.

778
00:39:13,193 --> 00:39:14,423
You can hear the storm.

779
00:39:14,973 --> 00:39:17,043
The weather reports on
the radio are different.

780
00:39:17,623 --> 00:39:18,143
Um,

781
00:39:18,393 --> 00:39:20,173
Everything's like, this storm is worst.

782
00:39:20,173 --> 00:39:23,873
We've done, which I kept
thinking, oh, if the storm's so

783
00:39:23,873 --> 00:39:26,173
bad, then, um, his girlfriend.

784
00:39:27,563 --> 00:39:27,823
Emma?

785
00:39:28,403 --> 00:39:29,003
Was that her name?

786
00:39:29,083 --> 00:39:29,413
yeah.

787
00:39:30,513 --> 00:39:33,193
Yeah, I'm like, oh, she
probably won't come back then.

788
00:39:33,433 --> 00:39:35,843
Because he sends her away,
says, I'm sorry, another body's

789
00:39:35,843 --> 00:39:37,123
come in, I need to help my dad.

790
00:39:37,593 --> 00:39:39,233
You know, go, go without me.

791
00:39:39,613 --> 00:39:41,528
Come back, we'll go see a midnight show.

792
00:39:42,323 --> 00:39:43,743
Meet me here in a couple of hours.

793
00:39:44,353 --> 00:39:46,783
And the whole time I'm thinking,
well, she's not going to come

794
00:39:46,783 --> 00:39:48,033
back, there's a huge storm.

795
00:39:48,034 --> 00:39:48,700
Yeah.

796
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:49,365
Yeah!

797
00:39:49,365 --> 00:39:49,843
Mm

798
00:39:50,143 --> 00:39:54,182
So when she does come
back, tragedy strikes.

799
00:39:55,373 --> 00:39:59,883
But we also find out that
that storm never happened.

800
00:40:02,393 --> 00:40:10,513
Like it's to me on your first watch,
you don't notice them talking about

801
00:40:10,513 --> 00:40:11,863
the weather so much in the background.

802
00:40:13,353 --> 00:40:14,373
And you, but when you,

803
00:40:15,093 --> 00:40:15,583
yeah,

804
00:40:15,663 --> 00:40:16,843
movie, for sure, yeah.

805
00:40:17,193 --> 00:40:20,933
catch that on, on, on a, on a
rewatch and you're like, oh my gosh.

806
00:40:21,343 --> 00:40:26,033
There's all these little signs that are
like, not that we don't know already

807
00:40:26,033 --> 00:40:31,163
that shit ain't right, like something
weird is wrong, um, but the weather

808
00:40:31,163 --> 00:40:37,343
picks up, then we find out you can't
get out of the elevator, powers, what?

809
00:40:37,378 --> 00:40:42,863
The power's out, the storm door
is trapped by the old oak tree,

810
00:40:43,033 --> 00:40:45,013
like all these things, and

811
00:40:45,423 --> 00:40:48,983
Yeah, they build that trapped
feeling, that intensity really well.

812
00:40:49,083 --> 00:40:49,983
You're just like, Oh,

813
00:40:50,743 --> 00:40:53,843
isolation, you can't get in or
out basically, is what the thought

814
00:40:53,843 --> 00:41:01,283
is, and to me, it's the thing,
it's Alien, which Stephen King,

815
00:41:03,083 --> 00:41:04,503
who doesn't like anything really.

816
00:41:05,073 --> 00:41:07,223
Stephen King will probably see
our project here if he ever

817
00:41:07,223 --> 00:41:09,033
does and be like, that's trash.

818
00:41:09,563 --> 00:41:11,163
I don't know, you know, I probably agree.

819
00:41:11,363 --> 00:41:14,313
But Stephen King, I love this project.

820
00:41:14,323 --> 00:41:18,923
Stephen King did say that this movie It
was up there with the echelons of Alien.

821
00:41:19,023 --> 00:41:21,793
And that's a huge compliment.

822
00:41:22,123 --> 00:41:23,203
I'm an Alien fan.

823
00:41:23,203 --> 00:41:25,073
I mean, I got an Alien
poster on my shoulder here.

824
00:41:25,633 --> 00:41:28,833
Alien's one of the greatest franchises
in the history of horror movies.

825
00:41:30,783 --> 00:41:32,043
Alien's the peak for me.

826
00:41:32,623 --> 00:41:33,073
Yeah.

827
00:41:33,213 --> 00:41:36,633
Think about it, that movie should be the
most terrifying movie you've ever seen.

828
00:41:38,213 --> 00:41:45,168
Space, trap, nowhere to go, and you got
The perfect organism on the other side.

829
00:41:45,958 --> 00:41:49,768
And for him to compare these
two movies together, I see it.

830
00:41:50,518 --> 00:41:52,638
She's the perfect organism
in this situation.

831
00:41:52,648 --> 00:41:53,818
There's no way to stop her.

832
00:41:54,488 --> 00:41:54,908
It's

833
00:41:56,353 --> 00:41:57,273
Terrifying.

834
00:41:57,708 --> 00:42:02,368
super terrifying that you're isolated
in this morgue, not a spaceship.

835
00:42:02,388 --> 00:42:07,978
Lots of similarities to the
alien movies and still found

836
00:42:07,978 --> 00:42:09,478
a way to do it in a new way.

837
00:42:09,479 --> 00:42:10,713
It's, it's, uh,

838
00:42:11,583 --> 00:42:14,113
Yeah, you get that feeling
when they're in the elevator.

839
00:42:14,223 --> 00:42:16,873
I mean, they've done everything
they can to run away to try to

840
00:42:16,883 --> 00:42:19,073
like find some safety, right?

841
00:42:19,113 --> 00:42:19,823
Like you do.

842
00:42:20,213 --> 00:42:21,913
And you feel that sense with them.

843
00:42:21,913 --> 00:42:24,843
Cause you're like, just get into the
elevator or just get into like, you

844
00:42:24,843 --> 00:42:26,453
just want to calm down for a second.

845
00:42:26,463 --> 00:42:28,323
You want to feel that like rest.

846
00:42:28,893 --> 00:42:34,163
They're in the elevator and Austin, the
son is like, why hasn't she killed us yet?

847
00:42:35,793 --> 00:42:37,623
She could easily just kill us right now.

848
00:42:37,623 --> 00:42:40,343
Like that's, that's how powerful she is.

849
00:42:40,353 --> 00:42:41,243
There's no way out.

850
00:42:41,373 --> 00:42:43,963
Like That perfect organism.

851
00:42:44,263 --> 00:42:46,623
It is, but you know what
that does is build tension.

852
00:42:46,633 --> 00:42:50,073
There's, this entire movie
is just like an alien movie.

853
00:42:50,413 --> 00:42:54,103
It's, you're, it's, there is no breather.

854
00:42:54,453 --> 00:42:55,693
You're tense the entire time.

855
00:42:55,993 --> 00:42:57,083
Yeah, I felt that.

856
00:42:57,383 --> 00:42:59,643
You don't know what's gonna
happen, but you know something is.

857
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:06,088
They did a great job of building an
atmosphere, of making a viewer, bringing

858
00:43:06,088 --> 00:43:10,698
a listener, viewer in and making
them immersed into that situation.

859
00:43:11,548 --> 00:43:18,178
With Tommy and his son, you know, it
was, to me, I felt like I was there.

860
00:43:18,748 --> 00:43:20,028
I feel like I'm there all the time.

861
00:43:20,298 --> 00:43:23,088
I'll watch it in a dark room and
I'm there and I'm like, Oh my God.

862
00:43:23,953 --> 00:43:24,373
Yes.

863
00:43:24,503 --> 00:43:25,363
I felt that too.

864
00:43:25,363 --> 00:43:30,693
And I was like sitting with my notes, my
husband sitting next to me on the couch.

865
00:43:30,693 --> 00:43:31,743
We're watching it together.

866
00:43:32,093 --> 00:43:34,883
And I told him, I even
wrote it in my notes.

867
00:43:34,973 --> 00:43:37,033
I was like, I can't watch.

868
00:43:38,193 --> 00:43:41,613
And I told my husband, I'm like, you
might have to just describe to me

869
00:43:41,613 --> 00:43:46,643
what's happening so that I can still
get what I need, but not have to watch.

870
00:43:46,653 --> 00:43:48,863
Cause I was just like this on the couch.

871
00:43:48,863 --> 00:43:49,233
Like,

872
00:43:52,498 --> 00:43:55,398
That's how I was, but not, but
I want to say that it's not

873
00:43:55,398 --> 00:43:56,868
like, you know, I'm terrified.

874
00:43:56,958 --> 00:44:00,483
Yeah, I'm sure I'm terrified,
but it's not like a, I'm going

875
00:44:00,483 --> 00:44:02,153
to stop watching this thing.

876
00:44:02,373 --> 00:44:03,363
I got to see how this,

877
00:44:04,053 --> 00:44:04,213
I got to

878
00:44:04,513 --> 00:44:05,913
Oh no, I wanted to see it.

879
00:44:05,943 --> 00:44:07,033
I wanted to see everything.

880
00:44:07,093 --> 00:44:14,053
I was just like, I can't physically
look at it while I'm trying to watch it.

881
00:44:14,253 --> 00:44:17,383
It was just that kind of like,
it's the intensity was so much.

882
00:44:17,463 --> 00:44:18,303
I feel like I'm there.

883
00:44:18,753 --> 00:44:19,903
I'm in it right now.

884
00:44:20,303 --> 00:44:25,063
And they did that with the,
um, parts where lights go out.

885
00:44:25,833 --> 00:44:29,413
And there's sort of a, um, you
know, the flashlight, so you're

886
00:44:29,413 --> 00:44:34,633
not seeing everything, or the part
where they're in the smoke, walking

887
00:44:34,633 --> 00:44:39,093
through the hallway, and you can't
see anything, but there's like strobe

888
00:44:39,093 --> 00:44:41,093
lights kind of an effect going on.

889
00:44:41,613 --> 00:44:44,473
shadows of her legs every once
in a while, or somebody's legs.

890
00:44:44,473 --> 00:44:45,063
And you're like, they

891
00:44:45,363 --> 00:44:46,113
Love it.

892
00:44:47,063 --> 00:44:47,833
So good.

893
00:44:48,133 --> 00:44:49,703
highly, highly intense.

894
00:44:51,163 --> 00:44:53,873
Like I said, it's this
movie also is an experience.

895
00:44:53,943 --> 00:44:55,473
This is not just watching a movie.

896
00:44:55,473 --> 00:44:58,113
You are experiencing what
they're going through.

897
00:44:58,123 --> 00:45:00,293
You go through an entire autopsy.

898
00:45:01,333 --> 00:45:05,453
Like how often am I going
to watch an autopsy?

899
00:45:05,463 --> 00:45:05,833
Never.

900
00:45:06,573 --> 00:45:07,653
But this

901
00:45:07,683 --> 00:45:07,953
movie.

902
00:45:08,203 --> 00:45:10,013
like the organs like oh we're gonna.

903
00:45:10,048 --> 00:45:11,578
And it's cool to see the board.

904
00:45:11,638 --> 00:45:14,038
It's cool to see all the
stuff, that's how they do it.

905
00:45:14,978 --> 00:45:16,618
Then they start doing the autopsy.

906
00:45:16,648 --> 00:45:22,388
So, when they're cutting her
open, that's when, really, your,

907
00:45:22,468 --> 00:45:27,073
your, uh, the dad, uh, Brian Cox.

908
00:45:27,663 --> 00:45:28,993
What was his name in the movie?

909
00:45:28,993 --> 00:45:29,813
It was Blane.

910
00:45:29,913 --> 00:45:30,503
I mean Austin.

911
00:45:30,753 --> 00:45:36,976
So when Tyler's in there cutting
up, cutting up Jane Doe and he's

912
00:45:37,033 --> 00:45:40,723
talking about, oh I've seen this
and I've seen that and then they

913
00:45:40,723 --> 00:45:46,573
open their mouth and that's about
the first moment you're like, uh oh.

914
00:45:47,163 --> 00:45:48,023
Yeah.

915
00:45:48,323 --> 00:45:51,193
I mean before that they cut, they're
doing the color of the eyes too

916
00:45:51,193 --> 00:45:55,213
and it pops the eyes open and it's
gray and you're like, huh, like

917
00:45:55,543 --> 00:45:55,963
Yeah.

918
00:45:55,963 --> 00:45:58,953
He's like, well, usually that's what they
look like when they're dead for a while.

919
00:45:59,033 --> 00:46:02,463
Um, but what's interesting, they,
they know, even before they do

920
00:46:02,463 --> 00:46:04,543
that, they know how clean she is.

921
00:46:04,703 --> 00:46:05,093
yeah.

922
00:46:05,094 --> 00:46:05,503
Then

923
00:46:05,633 --> 00:46:08,313
And Matt said that too, because we
were both watching them wheeler in and

924
00:46:08,313 --> 00:46:10,383
we're like, wasn't she found in dirt?

925
00:46:10,983 --> 00:46:15,663
She's like clean and like on
the outside before they look

926
00:46:15,673 --> 00:46:17,803
at anything, she looks perfect.

927
00:46:19,483 --> 00:46:23,143
they start cutting her open and there is
nothing perfect on the inside of this.

928
00:46:23,233 --> 00:46:27,483
Yeah, so many things start adding up and
you're like, Oh my gosh, she's a mess.

929
00:46:29,353 --> 00:46:29,423
them.

930
00:46:29,423 --> 00:46:35,173
So they're cutting her open and all
at the same time, Tommy is basically

931
00:46:35,173 --> 00:46:36,643
saying, Oh, I've seen this before.

932
00:46:36,643 --> 00:46:38,433
And he's going back and forth to books.

933
00:46:38,443 --> 00:46:39,203
And he's like, Oh,

934
00:46:39,803 --> 00:46:40,163
Yeah.

935
00:46:40,243 --> 00:46:41,793
you start seeing that.

936
00:46:43,003 --> 00:46:43,293
Hmm.

937
00:46:43,303 --> 00:46:46,133
Maybe he's fighting with himself and
thinking there's something weird going on.

938
00:46:46,963 --> 00:46:48,063
You got the missing tongue.

939
00:46:48,083 --> 00:46:49,133
Her tongue got cut out.

940
00:46:49,553 --> 00:46:50,303
Tongue,

941
00:46:50,933 --> 00:46:52,273
Lungs, their lungs are burned up.

942
00:46:53,083 --> 00:46:53,223
The

943
00:46:53,353 --> 00:46:54,023
scars,

944
00:46:54,203 --> 00:46:55,093
on the inside.

945
00:46:55,094 --> 00:46:58,783
They figure out her ankles
are broken pretty quick.

946
00:46:59,043 --> 00:46:59,483
And he's like,

947
00:46:59,933 --> 00:47:04,763
and wrists shattered, but no outward
bruising or damage, just shattered.

948
00:47:05,033 --> 00:47:09,123
He says at first fractured and then
the son's like, No, they're shattered.

949
00:47:09,813 --> 00:47:10,263
and.

950
00:47:10,643 --> 00:47:12,973
He moves that thing around and
you're like, oh my god, that

951
00:47:12,973 --> 00:47:14,873
looks like, oh, that's rough.

952
00:47:15,023 --> 00:47:18,983
And if that's not already weird enough,
then they start cutting her open.

953
00:47:19,823 --> 00:47:24,223
And that's when we cut open the
stomach and he pulls out Jimson weed.

954
00:47:24,763 --> 00:47:25,453
Yes.

955
00:47:26,133 --> 00:47:27,703
Natura is what that is.

956
00:47:27,713 --> 00:47:28,933
It's the devil's trumpet.

957
00:47:28,943 --> 00:47:30,413
I know about this, this drug.

958
00:47:30,803 --> 00:47:35,413
I read the old, uh, There's a website
where you could read about people's trips.

959
00:47:35,943 --> 00:47:38,323
I never wanted to do it, but I loved
going and reading about people's

960
00:47:38,503 --> 00:47:40,253
Natura trips because of how awful.

961
00:47:40,693 --> 00:47:41,223
They were.

962
00:47:41,903 --> 00:47:44,623
So for her to have this in her
system, it's a paralyzing agent.

963
00:47:45,033 --> 00:47:47,873
It also gives you hallucinogenic.

964
00:47:49,323 --> 00:47:53,873
Which is why it was in the Love
Witch given to Wayne, they find

965
00:47:53,873 --> 00:47:55,283
out in the toxicology report.

966
00:47:55,303 --> 00:47:56,563
So there's a connection there.

967
00:47:56,873 --> 00:47:57,473
Exactly.

968
00:47:57,483 --> 00:48:01,473
And then you've got even further,
they cut her open and you've got the

969
00:48:01,483 --> 00:48:07,553
shroud, the cloth with the sigils
on it and Roman numerals, which

970
00:48:07,553 --> 00:48:09,183
we know what that goes to later.

971
00:48:09,184 --> 00:48:11,513
But they unwrap it and
there's a tooth in there.

972
00:48:11,553 --> 00:48:13,143
Like, it's her tooth!

973
00:48:13,193 --> 00:48:14,043
too, yeah.

974
00:48:14,343 --> 00:48:16,963
Again, using body parts for witchcraft.

975
00:48:16,993 --> 00:48:21,873
This is just another example of like, the
way that the Love Witch uses her urine and

976
00:48:21,873 --> 00:48:23,993
her menstrual blood and things like that.

977
00:48:24,873 --> 00:48:29,013
Um, animal parts, fur, teeth, bones.

978
00:48:29,213 --> 00:48:32,073
This is stuff that you see a
lot of times used in witchcraft.

979
00:48:32,473 --> 00:48:34,723
And so, yeah, it makes total
sense to me that there'd be

980
00:48:34,723 --> 00:48:36,188
a bone or a tooth in there.

981
00:48:36,488 --> 00:48:39,408
So why would they make
her eat her own tooth?

982
00:48:39,478 --> 00:48:40,578
I guess it's torture.

983
00:48:40,598 --> 00:48:40,878
This,

984
00:48:41,283 --> 00:48:41,613
Yep.

985
00:48:42,388 --> 00:48:43,648
they tortured this woman,

986
00:48:44,013 --> 00:48:44,343
Yes.

987
00:48:45,028 --> 00:48:49,118
and we find out that later, but I
don't want to get to the end yet.

988
00:48:49,728 --> 00:48:55,578
Um, leading up to that, you still got
Tommy, who is not so sure about stuff,

989
00:48:55,608 --> 00:48:58,598
and then there's a, there's a breaking
point, right about halfway in the movie,

990
00:48:59,438 --> 00:49:02,273
and what is it, the lights go out?

991
00:49:02,573 --> 00:49:03,253
Yeah.

992
00:49:03,683 --> 00:49:07,473
The storm is supposedly getting
worse, so the radio is like

993
00:49:07,653 --> 00:49:08,493
What's the radio doing?

994
00:49:08,553 --> 00:49:09,933
You got some info on that radio, I

995
00:49:09,933 --> 00:49:10,473
think, don't you?

996
00:49:10,753 --> 00:49:13,623
The radio keeps playing a
song, and when it first comes

997
00:49:13,623 --> 00:49:15,543
on, they're like That's weird.

998
00:49:15,543 --> 00:49:18,273
And they try to change the channel
because it's like this old song.

999
00:49:19,026 --> 00:49:23,053
Um, but I had to look it up because I
was like, is this song from the movie?

1000
00:49:23,053 --> 00:49:24,533
Or is it from before the movie?

1001
00:49:24,533 --> 00:49:27,103
It's from 1954 Maguire Sisters.

1002
00:49:27,613 --> 00:49:29,313
So let the sun shine in.

1003
00:49:30,273 --> 00:49:35,993
And the lyrics are all about like,
um, don't let the devil Get to you,

1004
00:49:36,083 --> 00:49:39,463
you have to smile and be happy.

1005
00:49:39,503 --> 00:49:42,393
And that's how you can
keep the devil away.

1006
00:49:42,803 --> 00:49:48,813
And it keeps coming back to this song
like three, four times in the movie,

1007
00:49:48,843 --> 00:49:54,403
different points, like very specific
points, but yeah, it's interesting.

1008
00:49:54,703 --> 00:49:55,123
Yeah.

1009
00:49:55,123 --> 00:49:57,553
And then you hear certain
things on the radio.

1010
00:49:57,553 --> 00:49:59,473
It's like there's the
one thing that pops out.

1011
00:49:59,473 --> 00:50:02,863
It's like, you're not getting out
of here or whatever he says, and the

1012
00:50:02,863 --> 00:50:10,573
lights go out and finally Tommy's
says, let's get the fuck outta here.

1013
00:50:11,793 --> 00:50:15,183
And when he says that, it's
literally, to me, that's the moment

1014
00:50:15,183 --> 00:50:16,383
in the movie where you're like.

1015
00:50:17,073 --> 00:50:20,123
Alright, if I'm not already
scared, the fact that he just said,

1016
00:50:20,123 --> 00:50:21,323
let's get the fuck out of here.

1017
00:50:22,523 --> 00:50:25,883
And that way, after being cool, calm,
and collected all the way up until

1018
00:50:25,933 --> 00:50:27,893
now, I better be fucking terrified.

1019
00:50:28,328 --> 00:50:28,678
right.

1020
00:50:28,688 --> 00:50:30,148
Cause he's the dad, right?

1021
00:50:30,398 --> 00:50:33,188
He's the dad and he's been up
until this point and that's

1022
00:50:33,188 --> 00:50:34,228
why it's very interesting.

1023
00:50:34,248 --> 00:50:38,618
I made a note of this in this part when
they start kind of panicking a little bit.

1024
00:50:38,678 --> 00:50:43,038
They're like running out of there
the dynamic that they chose to use

1025
00:50:43,381 --> 00:50:45,308
as father and son for this movie.

1026
00:50:45,548 --> 00:50:50,578
is very fascinating to me because you
get this idea of like, even though it's

1027
00:50:50,578 --> 00:50:55,568
a grown son, grown man, the idea is
that he's still going to look to his

1028
00:50:55,588 --> 00:51:00,813
dad for like, He knows what's going on.

1029
00:51:00,823 --> 00:51:02,053
He's going to protect me.

1030
00:51:02,063 --> 00:51:05,383
He's gonna, he's, if he keeps his
cool, then I can keep my cool.

1031
00:51:05,383 --> 00:51:06,623
Cause I know it'll be okay.

1032
00:51:07,333 --> 00:51:10,253
And you probably have this dynamic
dynamic too, where the father is

1033
00:51:10,253 --> 00:51:12,783
like, I got to protect my son.

1034
00:51:12,913 --> 00:51:17,123
I got to, you know, um, I got
to keep it together for him.

1035
00:51:17,283 --> 00:51:18,613
I got to be the strong one.

1036
00:51:19,013 --> 00:51:21,873
There's this father son
thing that you can't ignore.

1037
00:51:21,883 --> 00:51:25,963
Like it's part of the whole
tenseness of this moment, right?

1038
00:51:26,263 --> 00:51:27,123
The emotion between them.

1039
00:51:27,133 --> 00:51:30,493
It's the, it's emotion that they build
between the two actors themselves.

1040
00:51:30,743 --> 00:51:32,563
And it comes across on that screen.

1041
00:51:33,508 --> 00:51:39,178
Even further when Tommy kind of
goes back to, Oh, I've seen this.

1042
00:51:39,178 --> 00:51:41,688
You know, he's still kind
of like, Oh, it's a corpse.

1043
00:51:42,488 --> 00:51:44,258
Oh, that's not possible.

1044
00:51:44,258 --> 00:51:48,928
And that's when Austin says a great,
another line that I picked up on.

1045
00:51:48,928 --> 00:51:52,468
He says, we are far past what's possible.

1046
00:51:55,058 --> 00:51:57,388
And at that point, another
point in the movie, you're

1047
00:51:57,388 --> 00:51:59,528
like, Oh, we ain't going back.

1048
00:51:59,758 --> 00:52:02,868
Like this is, this is, this
is going where it's going.

1049
00:52:03,118 --> 00:52:06,108
And even all the way up until now,
we still don't know she's a witch.

1050
00:52:06,928 --> 00:52:07,348
Yeah,

1051
00:52:07,648 --> 00:52:07,708
A

1052
00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:08,208
big spoiler.

1053
00:52:08,308 --> 00:52:08,878
going on.

1054
00:52:08,898 --> 00:52:12,458
Yeah, it's just the bodies are
missing out of the drawers.

1055
00:52:13,498 --> 00:52:15,858
Dad's like, okay, let's
get the fuck out of here.

1056
00:52:15,898 --> 00:52:18,118
Like, I admit this is crazy.

1057
00:52:18,156 --> 00:52:19,188
We have to just get out.

1058
00:52:19,898 --> 00:52:20,598
Let's just go.

1059
00:52:21,478 --> 00:52:24,918
And then they're running
through halls and yeah.

1060
00:52:25,603 --> 00:52:28,523
He gets, they get trapped
in a, I guess an office,

1061
00:52:29,098 --> 00:52:29,563
Yes.

1062
00:52:29,863 --> 00:52:31,433
he pulls the curtain back.

1063
00:52:32,123 --> 00:52:33,743
You see a glimpse of her.

1064
00:52:33,753 --> 00:52:36,533
If you really pause it, you see
a glimpse of somebody standing

1065
00:52:36,833 --> 00:52:38,108
There's like the shadow, right?

1066
00:52:38,298 --> 00:52:38,773
Yeah.

1067
00:52:39,073 --> 00:52:40,913
he's like, Oh, you're in.

1068
00:52:40,953 --> 00:52:44,273
And at the same time as a, as a viewer,
you're like, Oh, okay, we're good.

1069
00:52:44,433 --> 00:52:45,953
And then it gets fucking snatched.

1070
00:52:46,418 --> 00:52:46,868
Yeah.

1071
00:52:47,198 --> 00:52:47,778
I love

1072
00:52:47,998 --> 00:52:50,953
see the gray eyeball close up.

1073
00:52:50,953 --> 00:52:54,263
You're like this man, like,

1074
00:52:54,298 --> 00:52:54,318
Yeah.

1075
00:52:55,523 --> 00:53:02,043
while watching this movie, once again,
the isolation, you as a viewer are like.

1076
00:53:02,693 --> 00:53:03,883
I want to get the fuck out of here.

1077
00:53:04,143 --> 00:53:07,143
Like you're, you're like, you're
like, wait, I want to get it

1078
00:53:07,143 --> 00:53:08,603
out of here, but where do I go?

1079
00:53:08,663 --> 00:53:10,593
Like, you're, you're,
there is no safe spot.

1080
00:53:11,203 --> 00:53:17,053
And like Austin said, everything
that's possible is gone.

1081
00:53:17,063 --> 00:53:19,973
Like anything that was not
possible is out the window.

1082
00:53:19,983 --> 00:53:22,723
We have seen too much to
know there's something weird

1083
00:53:22,773 --> 00:53:22,973
going on.

1084
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:27,919
of flip roles here because now the
sun is the one being like, you have to

1085
00:53:27,919 --> 00:53:33,779
accept that this is all going haywire
and we got to do something about it.

1086
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:38,863
keeps saying, it's her,
her, that's his, that's and.

1087
00:53:40,313 --> 00:53:43,393
Finally, they, they do get that,
like it, they realize it's her,

1088
00:53:44,093 --> 00:53:47,613
they find out what's going on,
and what do they find, Courtney?

1089
00:53:48,669 --> 00:53:55,099
Well, I have to point out this is
really like, uh, um, old cinema, Alfred

1090
00:53:55,268 --> 00:54:01,239
Hitchcock kind of, um, way of doing
horror movies because it's even more

1091
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,279
intense or scary when you don't see.

1092
00:54:03,794 --> 00:54:05,494
What's attacking them, right?

1093
00:54:06,067 --> 00:54:08,774
And I was told in a cinema class
once, they were talking about

1094
00:54:08,774 --> 00:54:14,029
Psycho, and they were talking
about how, um, You don't see her.

1095
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,389
You don't see Mrs. Bates.

1096
00:54:16,389 --> 00:54:17,409
You don't see the killer.

1097
00:54:17,419 --> 00:54:18,519
You see a shadow.

1098
00:54:18,849 --> 00:54:22,349
And that's more terrifying to the
audience than if you actually see it.

1099
00:54:22,959 --> 00:54:24,989
And I think that, that
was like a call to that.

1100
00:54:24,989 --> 00:54:28,069
Cause you, when he, when the dad gets
pulled into the shadows and you're

1101
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:32,449
seeing him getting like banged around
and you see just that eye, you're

1102
00:54:32,449 --> 00:54:37,269
not actually seeing her or a, or
what it is, but you're, you're just

1103
00:54:37,269 --> 00:54:40,619
like, something in the dark, right?

1104
00:54:40,863 --> 00:54:43,363
I guess, really, we never
really know that it is her.

1105
00:54:43,784 --> 00:54:43,954
No!

1106
00:54:44,613 --> 00:54:45,014
If you don't,

1107
00:54:45,314 --> 00:54:46,584
Is it one of the bodies?

1108
00:54:47,364 --> 00:54:48,354
Is it all in their head?

1109
00:54:49,083 --> 00:54:51,163
is it a spirit of her?

1110
00:54:51,173 --> 00:54:53,779
Like, what, like, what, like,
yeah, is it in her head?

1111
00:54:53,893 --> 00:54:57,503
Like, what is going on in there?

1112
00:54:57,513 --> 00:55:00,843
Like, it's so many layers.

1113
00:55:00,873 --> 00:55:01,783
There's a lot of layers.

1114
00:55:02,083 --> 00:55:02,934
It's really cool.

1115
00:55:02,974 --> 00:55:07,374
I love that kind of stuff in, in movies
that it, it plays with you a lot and

1116
00:55:07,374 --> 00:55:09,324
it's not just like handing it to you.

1117
00:55:09,674 --> 00:55:12,084
It's not just like showing
you this is the killer.

1118
00:55:12,084 --> 00:55:13,934
This is watch them, stab them.

1119
00:55:14,184 --> 00:55:17,254
I, I like it when there's a lot
more mystery to it because then

1120
00:55:17,264 --> 00:55:20,774
my mind fills in the blanks and
that's probably worse than anything

1121
00:55:20,774 --> 00:55:21,954
the movie could show me anyway.

1122
00:55:22,758 --> 00:55:27,818
Now, this movie was, was, uh,
inspired by The Conjuring.

1123
00:55:27,938 --> 00:55:32,348
And I don't know if you've seen
the, uh, the, the director of

1124
00:55:32,348 --> 00:55:36,618
Norwegian director, Andre Overdahl,
hope I'm pronouncing that right.

1125
00:55:36,648 --> 00:55:40,018
If not, somebody out there from one
of these Norwegian countries, please

1126
00:55:40,018 --> 00:55:43,706
correct me and get us and get it
actually get us in touch with Andre.

1127
00:55:43,758 --> 00:55:46,888
I'd love to talk to him or
Ian Goldberg, the writer.

1128
00:55:48,089 --> 00:55:48,949
Oh, that'd be amazing.

1129
00:55:50,158 --> 00:55:53,068
He took the inspiration
from The Conjuring.

1130
00:55:53,288 --> 00:55:56,308
Now, Andre also made a troll,
the Troll Hunter movie.

1131
00:55:57,313 --> 00:56:01,733
That Trollhunter movie,
uh, me to go to Iceland.

1132
00:56:01,823 --> 00:56:02,673
So I went to Iceland.

1133
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:03,919
Okay.

1134
00:56:04,293 --> 00:56:04,453
Thank

1135
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:05,353
There you go.

1136
00:56:05,573 --> 00:56:06,593
you for that, Andre.

1137
00:56:06,603 --> 00:56:10,223
But, uh, he's, he's put
together some great experiences

1138
00:56:10,233 --> 00:56:11,793
and this is an experience.

1139
00:56:12,283 --> 00:56:16,593
The film itself, even filming it
would have been an experience.

1140
00:56:16,593 --> 00:56:18,383
They filmed it in chronological order.

1141
00:56:18,904 --> 00:56:19,574
Oh, yeah.

1142
00:56:20,113 --> 00:56:24,483
to me, you see that it's, it's,
it's evident when you watch it back

1143
00:56:24,483 --> 00:56:26,124
that it was in chronological order.

1144
00:56:26,424 --> 00:56:26,894
Yeah.

1145
00:56:27,343 --> 00:56:28,763
Everything is.

1146
00:56:30,008 --> 00:56:33,718
Basically growing as
the movie goes, the, the

1147
00:56:33,718 --> 00:56:40,938
tension, The emotions between
the characters, the terror,

1148
00:56:42,174 --> 00:56:42,654
Yeah.

1149
00:56:42,888 --> 00:56:44,968
torture, she got tortured.

1150
00:56:44,968 --> 00:56:49,478
And that's what we find out ends
up being, uh, when they, when they

1151
00:56:49,478 --> 00:56:53,498
get to the Roman numerals and they
figured this part out and they're

1152
00:56:53,498 --> 00:56:55,468
looking at the Bible verses and

1153
00:56:55,514 --> 00:56:59,454
find out that the shroud that the
tooth was wrapped in, it says 19

1154
00:56:59,494 --> 00:57:02,264
6, or I mean, sorry, 1693 on it.

1155
00:57:03,124 --> 00:57:07,554
And the, the peat, um, that they
found under her nails, they're

1156
00:57:07,554 --> 00:57:10,644
like writing on the board, this is,
this is all coming from up north.

1157
00:57:10,684 --> 00:57:11,964
We don't have peat here.

1158
00:57:12,433 --> 00:57:16,684
So, um, so they kind of pinpoint
that it's New England and

1159
00:57:16,684 --> 00:57:18,334
they're like, well, she's from.

1160
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:21,859
You know, 15th century
New England or something.

1161
00:57:21,959 --> 00:57:25,799
Oh, 17th century New England,
and they're like, wait a minute.

1162
00:57:28,398 --> 00:57:28,528
and

1163
00:57:29,179 --> 00:57:30,419
What's up with that?

1164
00:57:31,198 --> 00:57:33,388
even me, I'm like, Hey,
my high school math.

1165
00:57:34,968 --> 00:57:36,658
The numbers don't seem to add up here.

1166
00:57:36,658 --> 00:57:38,028
Like there's a couple
hundred years missing.

1167
00:57:38,138 --> 00:57:39,268
Like there's something going on.

1168
00:57:40,098 --> 00:57:40,518
So yeah,

1169
00:57:40,869 --> 00:57:45,599
And what do we know about the 17th
century New England time period?

1170
00:57:45,949 --> 00:57:50,896
There were a lot of people accused
and killed for being witches and even

1171
00:57:51,259 --> 00:57:53,329
Tommy says, but they were innocent.

1172
00:57:55,474 --> 00:58:02,964
So, she's an innocent, and this is
where I love the turn that they take

1173
00:58:02,964 --> 00:58:06,934
when they're figuring out where she
came from, what happened to her, she

1174
00:58:06,973 --> 00:58:12,974
was tortured, and she had witchcraft
used against her, which supposedly was

1175
00:58:12,984 --> 00:58:16,644
probably, and this is actually what
happens a lot in history, is witchcraft

1176
00:58:16,644 --> 00:58:22,784
is used to protect against witchcraft,
and so what Ended up happening is the

1177
00:58:22,784 --> 00:58:24,394
people who tortured her in this way.

1178
00:58:24,564 --> 00:58:26,864
They ended up creating what they feared.

1179
00:58:27,424 --> 00:58:29,794
She wasn't a witch, but now she is.

1180
00:58:30,428 --> 00:58:35,048
well, with that amount of
torture, you have to, you have

1181
00:58:35,048 --> 00:58:36,598
to turn into a vengeful spirit.

1182
00:58:36,608 --> 00:58:37,278
That's what she is.

1183
00:58:37,634 --> 00:58:37,874
Oh,

1184
00:58:38,258 --> 00:58:39,788
We've been to the vengeful witch.

1185
00:58:40,318 --> 00:58:40,838
And

1186
00:58:40,984 --> 00:58:45,114
this is the half hanged Mary story
all over again from my episode of

1187
00:58:45,114 --> 00:58:47,934
Practically Magic, where we talk
about burning and witch trials.

1188
00:58:49,928 --> 00:58:58,068
also not only do you see, uh, him
talk about they were all innocent

1189
00:58:58,128 --> 00:59:02,288
and you know, they're, they're almost
painting the opposite picture of what

1190
00:59:02,408 --> 00:59:05,018
Arthur Miller's, The Crucible does.

1191
00:59:06,073 --> 00:59:08,503
In that, in that book, you know,
they say on which trials are,

1192
00:59:08,523 --> 00:59:10,153
it's a little bit different story.

1193
00:59:10,503 --> 00:59:16,363
So in Autopsy of Jane Doe, it's like
a spin on that to say, ah, they might

1194
00:59:16,363 --> 00:59:20,763
have been innocent, but they're not
now because you made them this way.

1195
00:59:22,373 --> 00:59:23,353
I love that take.

1196
00:59:24,083 --> 00:59:26,883
I don't know if there's historical
reference or whatever in that kind

1197
00:59:26,883 --> 00:59:30,683
of take that and people torturing
a person so much make them a witch.

1198
00:59:30,993 --> 00:59:33,403
Courtney, how long were you tortured
before you turned into a witch?

1199
00:59:34,409 --> 00:59:35,579
Well, how about this?

1200
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:42,369
If you consider the witch wound,
which is that so many were accused of

1201
00:59:42,369 --> 00:59:44,889
witchcraft just living their lives.

1202
00:59:46,164 --> 00:59:51,044
gaining any type of power whatsoever
over their own body, over their

1203
00:59:51,044 --> 00:59:54,704
livelihood, over a way to make money,
over a way to support yourself,

1204
00:59:54,754 --> 00:59:59,784
over a way to, uh, choose, um, when
and how you want to have a baby.

1205
01:00:00,004 --> 01:00:06,384
All of that stuff is generations
upon generations upon generations of

1206
01:00:06,394 --> 01:00:11,314
women needing to find their place in
society and how they can find power.

1207
01:00:12,157 --> 01:00:14,124
So, I mean, when you consider it that way.

1208
01:00:15,774 --> 01:00:18,284
Whether you want to call it witchcraft
or whether you want to call it

1209
01:00:18,304 --> 01:00:27,004
empowerment, uh, If you're a body
who's alive but not alive, you're

1210
01:00:27,004 --> 01:00:29,784
not able to move and be alive.

1211
01:00:29,844 --> 01:00:35,294
You've been tortured into this state
and had witchcraft forced upon you,

1212
01:00:35,554 --> 01:00:39,786
shoved into your mouth and into your
body with the shroud and the tooth

1213
01:00:39,844 --> 01:00:41,914
and the, and the string in her mouth.

1214
01:00:42,054 --> 01:00:46,154
And I mean, clearly this
ritualistic torturing took place.

1215
01:00:46,894 --> 01:00:48,354
And it's not just the torture itself.

1216
01:00:48,489 --> 01:00:52,159
I mean, the pain that she probably
experienced in being tortured was part

1217
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:56,909
of it, but the pain or the torture
represents all of that oppression

1218
01:00:56,909 --> 01:01:01,709
that women have had to endure for
centuries upon centuries upon centuries,

1219
01:01:01,759 --> 01:01:05,809
even when they weren't a witch, even
when they weren't practicing what we

1220
01:01:05,809 --> 01:01:07,269
would traditionally call witchcraft.

1221
01:01:08,089 --> 01:01:09,625
So here's the revenge.

1222
01:01:10,954 --> 01:01:15,044
So, I mean, this is where, I hate to
say it, but I'm listening, I'm watching

1223
01:01:15,054 --> 01:01:18,134
this movie, and I'm like, I hope nothing
happens to Tommy and Austin, they're

1224
01:01:18,144 --> 01:01:22,394
innocent, I'm, I'm, I'm all, I'm all
like, I hope they get out of this alive,

1225
01:01:23,174 --> 01:01:26,974
but when I find out what this poor woman
has gone through, when I find out what

1226
01:01:26,984 --> 01:01:34,134
she's had to do to gain any sort of power,
that what she does with that power is she

1227
01:01:34,814 --> 01:01:37,034
exacts revenge on anyone and everyone.

1228
01:01:37,769 --> 01:01:41,819
It just happens to hit these two
guys who were just doing their job.

1229
01:01:42,763 --> 01:01:46,323
You get caught in a crossfire
and you can't be mad at her.

1230
01:01:46,653 --> 01:01:47,913
Like, you can't, you can't.

1231
01:01:48,569 --> 01:01:49,179
Sorry.

1232
01:01:49,403 --> 01:01:50,243
I'm totally with you.

1233
01:01:50,243 --> 01:01:51,123
And I thought the same thing.

1234
01:01:51,123 --> 01:01:53,033
I was like, Oh, please, Tommy
Austin, get out of there.

1235
01:01:53,723 --> 01:01:54,943
Tommy even gives in.

1236
01:01:55,373 --> 01:01:56,374
He leans down to her.

1237
01:01:57,948 --> 01:02:01,188
He's like, basically, I don't
want to, I don't want to hurt you.

1238
01:02:01,958 --> 01:02:06,878
And then, from what I gather,
she transfers her spirit off into

1239
01:02:06,878 --> 01:02:08,288
his or something, into his body.

1240
01:02:08,748 --> 01:02:10,018
His eyes turn gray.

1241
01:02:10,028 --> 01:02:11,788
He's getting all the wounds.

1242
01:02:12,408 --> 01:02:14,018
He starts snapping his bones.

1243
01:02:14,028 --> 01:02:14,278
Like,

1244
01:02:14,578 --> 01:02:15,948
experiences the torture.

1245
01:02:16,248 --> 01:02:18,188
yeah, so he's going through it now.

1246
01:02:18,678 --> 01:02:20,218
Was that her passing it off to him?

1247
01:02:20,228 --> 01:02:21,098
Is that what that was?

1248
01:02:21,549 --> 01:02:23,109
You know, I'd like to think so.

1249
01:02:23,139 --> 01:02:25,399
I mean, it would be
kind of cool to see it.

1250
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:33,429
Uh, he sacrifices himself to take on
all of her transgression or whatever,

1251
01:02:33,789 --> 01:02:35,519
you know, that would look like.

1252
01:02:35,809 --> 01:02:44,794
Um, and he ends his life for her
and she gets pieced back together.

1253
01:02:45,104 --> 01:02:46,394
She's whole again.

1254
01:02:46,834 --> 01:02:50,754
And I don't know, she gets up and
walks off to live her life maybe?

1255
01:02:51,104 --> 01:02:55,474
Or, uh, I don't know what happens
to her, but she's whole again.

1256
01:02:55,484 --> 01:02:57,874
She's able to heal from this.

1257
01:02:58,774 --> 01:03:00,044
That's not the ending we get.

1258
01:03:02,304 --> 01:03:05,454
It's like, it's kind of like,
it just starts over, right?

1259
01:03:05,674 --> 01:03:09,814
She just gets put back
together for the next person.

1260
01:03:11,278 --> 01:03:14,578
So that's open for interpretation.

1261
01:03:14,578 --> 01:03:15,958
Does she continue

1262
01:03:19,348 --> 01:03:21,334
revenging, going on her vengeful tour?

1263
01:03:21,634 --> 01:03:24,134
Yeah, how many people need to die?

1264
01:03:24,134 --> 01:03:25,603
My,

1265
01:03:25,903 --> 01:03:29,538
does she continue and
then also Tommy continue?

1266
01:03:29,608 --> 01:03:31,908
Are there two spirits split now?

1267
01:03:31,908 --> 01:03:33,398
Like are there two vengeful spirits?

1268
01:03:33,408 --> 01:03:38,038
I don't know, but yeah, I love
that it's open to interpretation.

1269
01:03:38,038 --> 01:03:39,658
We don't get handed the answers.

1270
01:03:42,138 --> 01:03:42,728
Final thoughts.

1271
01:03:42,738 --> 01:03:45,188
You got any final thoughts on this
movie before we wrap this one up?

1272
01:03:46,464 --> 01:03:54,181
my, my rants about oppressed women and
witchcraft and the correlation, I think

1273
01:03:54,304 --> 01:03:57,181
kind of, kind of sums that up really well.

1274
01:03:57,334 --> 01:04:04,669
Um, but I I did have to
look up the Leviticus, um,

1275
01:04:05,498 --> 01:04:05,948
The Bible

1276
01:04:06,248 --> 01:04:08,249
Bible verse that they found in the shroud.

1277
01:04:08,289 --> 01:04:10,279
So that's how they find out what she is.

1278
01:04:10,289 --> 01:04:13,969
They find the, the, that it's a
scripture that is on the shroud

1279
01:04:14,369 --> 01:04:15,649
in the Roman numeral numbers.

1280
01:04:16,018 --> 01:04:19,478
Tell me about that because I
know out there are a million

1281
01:04:19,548 --> 01:04:21,808
different variations of the Bible.

1282
01:04:21,808 --> 01:04:23,158
So which one were they using?

1283
01:04:23,158 --> 01:04:24,068
What's that really say?

1284
01:04:24,579 --> 01:04:29,769
When you're Googling it, it
doesn't say exactly what they read.

1285
01:04:30,269 --> 01:04:34,679
At least from the versions that I
could find, um, I, it seems like they

1286
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:39,869
kind of pulled from a lot of different
Leviticus like verses and kind of

1287
01:04:39,869 --> 01:04:41,819
put that together as like witchcraft.

1288
01:04:42,409 --> 01:04:48,149
Um, but all of these different
interpretations of like Leviticus 1926.

1289
01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:51,579
Um, the one that's in the
movie is Leviticus 2027.

1290
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:59,299
Um, it says stuff like mediums, fortune
tellers, um, people who practice

1291
01:04:59,319 --> 01:05:05,199
divination, and then in some versions,
They sum that up with witchcraft and, uh,

1292
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:10,129
you know, they should be put to death by
stoning is kind of the, the general idea

1293
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,969
of these scriptures, which is interesting.

1294
01:05:11,989 --> 01:05:14,139
And I mean, Leviticus
is hard on everybody.

1295
01:05:14,579 --> 01:05:17,059
I don't know if there's anybody that
can get away with anything and live at

1296
01:05:17,099 --> 01:05:19,419
Leviticus without being a. Stone to death.

1297
01:05:19,419 --> 01:05:25,079
So, um, I don't know, you know, how much
you want to take credit in that, but like

1298
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:28,709
we follow the Bible word for word really
because I don't think anybody can do that.

1299
01:05:29,319 --> 01:05:34,539
Um, but yeah, that's interesting because
it's like fortune tellers mediums,

1300
01:05:34,819 --> 01:05:37,609
they kind of just lump it all into one
when they talk about witchcraft and

1301
01:05:37,609 --> 01:05:39,229
they're like, anybody who does that

1302
01:05:39,798 --> 01:05:40,418
That's interesting.

1303
01:05:40,448 --> 01:05:44,008
And I also, I want to point out
too, in one of my final thoughts

1304
01:05:44,018 --> 01:05:49,318
is that when this Leviticus, Bible
verse comes up and we're looking at

1305
01:05:49,318 --> 01:05:51,748
the pages and we finally see witch.

1306
01:05:52,168 --> 01:05:53,128
You see the word witch.

1307
01:05:53,418 --> 01:05:58,218
That's the first time in this movie
that it, the word witch has been

1308
01:05:58,228 --> 01:06:03,438
mentioned that we even, it's, it's
your validity finally at this point,

1309
01:06:03,438 --> 01:06:07,908
because sure, all these other things
you're like, huh, that seems kind of

1310
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:08,819
Yeah.

1311
01:06:09,248 --> 01:06:11,068
like, that's, hmm, did they burn her?

1312
01:06:11,228 --> 01:06:13,478
Who, what kind of people did they burn?

1313
01:06:13,778 --> 01:06:14,268
Witches?

1314
01:06:14,448 --> 01:06:17,788
Like you, you start adding it up, but
it's not until this part, when they look

1315
01:06:17,788 --> 01:06:19,998
at Leviticus, which is probably what?

1316
01:06:20,433 --> 01:06:21,923
Maybe 20 minutes left in the movie.

1317
01:06:21,924 --> 01:06:28,273
And that's when I finally say,
which, and I think that's a, another

1318
01:06:28,363 --> 01:06:31,313
key moment in the movie, uh, that,

1319
01:06:33,363 --> 01:06:40,893
yeah, it erases all your doubt, if you had
any by this point, uh, it's yeah, really.

1320
01:06:41,813 --> 01:06:44,113
And it, it just puts it into context.

1321
01:06:44,253 --> 01:06:47,163
And then finally you're like, oh, yeah.

1322
01:06:47,533 --> 01:06:53,243
I saw that coming, but in other
movies where you see stuff

1323
01:06:53,243 --> 01:06:54,183
coming, you're prepared for it.

1324
01:06:54,193 --> 01:06:55,273
You're still not prepared for it.

1325
01:06:55,729 --> 01:06:56,259
Mm hmm.

1326
01:06:56,343 --> 01:06:57,543
You see it coming, but now what?

1327
01:06:57,593 --> 01:06:58,683
You don't have anywhere to go.

1328
01:06:59,313 --> 01:07:05,073
You're stuck with this, the rest of this,
and when you find that kind of stuff out

1329
01:07:05,093 --> 01:07:06,583
in other movies, that's about the end.

1330
01:07:06,643 --> 01:07:07,503
It's like over.

1331
01:07:07,513 --> 01:07:07,963
You're done.

1332
01:07:07,973 --> 01:07:08,773
You're like, okay, cool.

1333
01:07:08,853 --> 01:07:09,323
Move on.

1334
01:07:09,863 --> 01:07:10,553
Roll the credits.

1335
01:07:10,563 --> 01:07:10,963
Not here.

1336
01:07:11,559 --> 01:07:11,843
And,

1337
01:07:11,859 --> 01:07:14,639
Yeah, it's like now what,
now that we know this.

1338
01:07:14,639 --> 01:07:14,759
Yeah.

1339
01:07:16,004 --> 01:07:17,024
What do we do about it?

1340
01:07:17,074 --> 01:07:19,904
They tried to destroy her body
just by burning her right then

1341
01:07:19,904 --> 01:07:21,944
and there and it didn't work.

1342
01:07:22,034 --> 01:07:22,604
I mean,

1343
01:07:22,843 --> 01:07:23,643
almost broke the building.

1344
01:07:25,103 --> 01:07:27,183
They almost broke the building
there, like they almost broke down

1345
01:07:27,183 --> 01:07:28,883
the whole thing, like it was wild.

1346
01:07:29,413 --> 01:07:29,644
And,

1347
01:07:29,944 --> 01:07:30,754
Such a good movie.

1348
01:07:31,054 --> 01:07:34,263
my voice is lo I ain't losing
my voice even more now, I think

1349
01:07:34,703 --> 01:07:35,803
Jane Doe's taking in my voice.

1350
01:07:36,223 --> 01:07:37,153
I think that's what's happening.

1351
01:07:38,928 --> 01:07:39,823
Something's going on, but.

1352
01:07:40,553 --> 01:07:41,903
These two movies are incredible.

1353
01:07:42,303 --> 01:07:48,983
Uh, I'm going to give one more plug
to another movie that I, I've seen and

1354
01:07:48,983 --> 01:07:55,173
ran across that if you like Jane Doe,
The Autopsy of Jane Doe, you got to

1355
01:07:55,173 --> 01:07:56,793
check out this movie called Sushi Girl.

1356
01:07:57,864 --> 01:07:58,374
Oh.

1357
01:07:58,513 --> 01:08:04,923
Girl is 2012, it's about a little
over a decade old, but there's a girl

1358
01:08:04,923 --> 01:08:09,463
named Courtney Palm who plays the
Sushi Girl and she does exactly what

1359
01:08:12,233 --> 01:08:12,583
What's her name?

1360
01:08:12,623 --> 01:08:16,373
Owen does in, in, uh, Jane Doe.

1361
01:08:16,423 --> 01:08:19,873
And she lays there the entire movie
while the bear takes place around her.

1362
01:08:20,353 --> 01:08:24,313
And it's not witchy or anything like
that, but I think it's, it's very

1363
01:08:24,363 --> 01:08:27,793
cool because if you know anything
about the sushi girls who lay there

1364
01:08:27,793 --> 01:08:31,049
and it's the ones who are naked and
they let them eat sushi off of them.

1365
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:31,789
Right.

1366
01:08:31,789 --> 01:08:32,349
Yeah.

1367
01:08:32,538 --> 01:08:33,798
What's going on in the room with them.

1368
01:08:33,798 --> 01:08:36,348
They are trained to not
move and not do anything.

1369
01:08:37,668 --> 01:08:41,308
What's going on around her in this movie,
in Sushi Girl, is this big gangster

1370
01:08:41,429 --> 01:08:46,538
meeting, and they're talking about all
these crimes and it's, check that one out.

1371
01:08:46,538 --> 01:08:47,458
If you enjoyed,

1372
01:08:47,758 --> 01:08:48,449
fascinating.

1373
01:08:48,469 --> 01:08:49,419
That's good.

1374
01:08:49,779 --> 01:08:52,619
Well, I, since you mentioned that

1375
01:08:54,799 --> 01:09:00,639
that brought this movie brought to
my, um, connections a couple of years

1376
01:09:00,639 --> 01:09:05,399
ago, I was in a book club and we each
get to take turns picking a book and

1377
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:07,819
we were, um, on the nonfiction genre.

1378
01:09:07,849 --> 01:09:10,569
So it was like, we got to pick
something that's nonfiction

1379
01:09:11,049 --> 01:09:12,719
and I picked the book Stiff.

1380
01:09:13,004 --> 01:09:14,024
By Mary Roach.

1381
01:09:14,864 --> 01:09:16,044
It's called Stiff!

1382
01:09:16,094 --> 01:09:23,139
The Curious Life of Human Cadavers
and It was absolutely fascinating.

1383
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:25,119
Now, cadavers kind of creep me out.

1384
01:09:25,149 --> 01:09:28,849
I think about like, what it would be
like to actually see one or work on one

1385
01:09:28,859 --> 01:09:33,094
or, um, my sister went through nursing
school and things like that and they had

1386
01:09:33,179 --> 01:09:35,819
to go and study cadavers for a semester.

1387
01:09:36,269 --> 01:09:37,449
I was like, I don't know how you do it.

1388
01:09:37,469 --> 01:09:37,903
That's so cool.

1389
01:09:38,044 --> 01:09:39,874
That's so disturbing to me.

1390
01:09:40,334 --> 01:09:43,414
But this book goes through all
the different things that can

1391
01:09:43,414 --> 01:09:45,584
happen to a cadaver after you die.

1392
01:09:45,634 --> 01:09:50,484
When you donate it to science, when
you donate it to forensic studies, when

1393
01:09:50,484 --> 01:09:55,844
you, um, when you're cremated, when
you're, um, you know, all the different

1394
01:09:55,864 --> 01:09:57,261
options, all the different things.

1395
01:09:58,484 --> 01:10:03,324
It's Really well written, and um, there
were some people in my book club that

1396
01:10:03,324 --> 01:10:06,774
were like not, not, not, not reading that.

1397
01:10:06,784 --> 01:10:09,144
Nope, too, too gross for me or whatever.

1398
01:10:09,144 --> 01:10:12,164
But I was like, it's fascinating!

1399
01:10:12,345 --> 01:10:16,464
So, plug for that book in connection
to The Autopsy of Jane Doe.

1400
01:10:16,494 --> 01:10:19,084
It would be a fascinating read
after watching this movie.

1401
01:10:19,084 --> 01:10:19,358
How

1402
01:10:22,113 --> 01:10:23,283
got to catch our breath, Courtney.

1403
01:10:24,113 --> 01:10:28,083
Yeah, two excellent
movies and a lot of death.

1404
01:10:28,883 --> 01:10:29,973
A lot of death.

1405
01:10:30,003 --> 01:10:37,123
You even thought that the Autopsy of
Jane Doe was an A24 movie because yeah,

1406
01:10:37,223 --> 01:10:40,523
A24 movies we've been watching
for The Witch Movie Project and

1407
01:10:40,523 --> 01:10:45,583
I'm like, well when everybody
dies It's probably A24, right?

1408
01:10:46,583 --> 01:10:46,873
that's like,

1409
01:10:46,963 --> 01:10:47,373
time.

1410
01:10:47,733 --> 01:10:48,213
no hat.

1411
01:10:48,243 --> 01:10:51,603
I mean, they, they, they had the most
joyful romps out there, you know,

1412
01:10:51,603 --> 01:10:54,013
like happy endings and all, you know?

1413
01:10:54,013 --> 01:10:55,438
Yeah.

1414
01:10:55,483 --> 01:10:59,653
of them are, um, even this one,
all of them are very psychological.

1415
01:10:59,833 --> 01:11:04,423
There's a lot more depth to this
kind of horror than you typically

1416
01:11:04,433 --> 01:11:07,173
find with Halloween or Friday
the 13th or something like that.

1417
01:11:07,238 --> 01:11:16,058
Yeah, honestly, honestly, uh, it is a
really true testament and, and a, uh,

1418
01:11:16,428 --> 01:11:23,818
high remark for you to think that Autopsy
was an A24 movie because to get, I

1419
01:11:23,818 --> 01:11:27,038
wouldn't be upset if I made a movie and
somebody was like, Oh, that's A24 movie.

1420
01:11:27,038 --> 01:11:28,198
And it wasn't

1421
01:11:28,293 --> 01:11:28,733
Yeah.

1422
01:11:28,848 --> 01:11:32,898
because really it, it, it, they
set this atmosphere and it did have

1423
01:11:32,908 --> 01:11:38,348
that atmosphere and Richard Nang and
Ian Goldberg, the writers mandate.

1424
01:11:39,143 --> 01:11:39,673
Incredible.

1425
01:11:39,773 --> 01:11:40,473
Like, incredible.

1426
01:11:40,473 --> 01:11:47,703
I don't want to go, we already talked,
we picked it apart, but I hope, this

1427
01:11:47,713 --> 01:11:51,583
is just me, I don't want to, I don't
want to sway any voters, but I,

1428
01:11:51,733 --> 01:11:52,543
according to Blane.

1429
01:11:52,893 --> 01:11:58,153
yes, I hope that this is the
movie we air October 26th.

1430
01:11:58,593 --> 01:12:04,553
at Novel Daybreak by Crescent Communities
presents the Witch Movie Project live

1431
01:12:04,553 --> 01:12:07,023
podcast taping and movie screening.

1432
01:12:07,033 --> 01:12:07,793
I hope it's all top.

1433
01:12:07,833 --> 01:12:08,923
we want to see you there.

1434
01:12:08,953 --> 01:12:10,553
Come watch a movie with us, right?

1435
01:12:11,083 --> 01:12:12,283
Yeah, this would be the fun one.

1436
01:12:12,313 --> 01:12:15,663
This would be the one that I think
would be an incredible experience.

1437
01:12:15,673 --> 01:12:17,193
If you haven't seen it, don't watch it.

1438
01:12:17,753 --> 01:12:19,603
Come out, see it with us.

1439
01:12:21,353 --> 01:12:23,233
I'm already planning for
this to be the movie.

1440
01:12:23,803 --> 01:12:24,413
I can't wait.

1441
01:12:24,413 --> 01:12:26,003
Yeah,

1442
01:12:26,073 --> 01:12:30,313
what Carla does with the uh, decorations
and with our, um, setting things up.

1443
01:12:30,333 --> 01:12:35,383
Lift Cake Parties is coming to decorate
and get the event all set up for us.

1444
01:12:35,943 --> 01:12:37,233
it's gonna be an incredible time.

1445
01:12:37,233 --> 01:12:40,413
Like, don't forget the costume contest.

1446
01:12:41,863 --> 01:12:44,493
With prizes donated by Land of
a Thousand Hills Coffee Shop.

1447
01:12:45,163 --> 01:12:46,193
Man, that's gonna be wild too.

1448
01:12:46,223 --> 01:12:51,063
Like, we're gonna have a meet and greet
at Land of a Thousand Hills at what, 5?

1449
01:12:51,103 --> 01:12:51,243
15?

1450
01:12:51,293 --> 01:12:54,353
because people got to get their
drinks, they uh, they serve some beer

1451
01:12:54,353 --> 01:12:58,593
and ciders there, they've got some
drinks that are called Witch Aid, and

1452
01:12:59,433 --> 01:12:59,893
16?

1453
01:12:59,983 --> 01:13:00,793
great stuff over there.

1454
01:13:00,793 --> 01:13:04,313
So people can get their drinks,
have, have their drinks before

1455
01:13:04,353 --> 01:13:06,453
they head over to the event, right?

1456
01:13:06,823 --> 01:13:07,183
Yep.

1457
01:13:07,883 --> 01:13:09,353
Let's get on out of here.

1458
01:13:09,373 --> 01:13:10,653
We'll see everybody here next week.

1459
01:13:10,673 --> 01:13:13,783
Let's go ahead and give a
shout out to our sponsors.

1460
01:13:14,083 --> 01:13:15,893
Novel Daybreak by Crescent Communities.

1461
01:13:16,373 --> 01:13:17,283
Prism Healing.

1462
01:13:17,293 --> 01:13:18,323
That's you, Courtney Pearl.

1463
01:13:18,413 --> 01:13:18,673
That's me!

1464
01:13:19,093 --> 01:13:19,993
Cake parties.

1465
01:13:20,728 --> 01:13:23,268
Pure Sweat and Float
Studio of South Jordan.

1466
01:13:23,268 --> 01:13:26,338
Thank you so much Stacey Millhorn
and Ride the Wave Media right here.

1467
01:13:26,528 --> 01:13:27,568
We'll see you guys next week.