Harnessing Ketamine: Exploring Psychedelics and Consciousness

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Hello and welcome to Practically Magic.

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I am your host, Courtney Pearl.

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Today we have a very special episode
because we are going to be sharing

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with you some of the experiences that
I've had with psychedelics and healing.

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I wanted to talk about it as a subject,
but like most things, it's really

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just not enough to talk about it.

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You have to experience it.

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So we did a very special group
Ketamine session, uh, very safely with.

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The guest that we are gonna have today,
guided Ketamine and Interlight Academy,

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and I'm gonna talk a little bit about that
experience and why it is so important to

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do it in a very safe and controlled way.

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So before we get to our episode, before we
get to our interview, I would just like to

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pull a card and I am actually going to use
the seasons of the Witch Beltane because

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it is at the time we're recording this.

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We're entering Beltane season.

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It is the time between the spring
equinox and the summer solstice, and

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it is a sacred time for the Celtic
Fyre Festival and, um, the wheel of

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the year and the card that I pulled
for today's episode is actually the

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Phoenix, and I pulled this ahead of time.

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Because I really wanted to get a feel
for the day and how this was going to

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play a part in what we're working on.

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And what I think is interesting is,
uh, I had my kids pull a card, uh, a

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goddess card for our altar before school
today, and we got the Goddess Col of

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Destruction and the word is liberation.

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And then the Phoenix card going along
with that really invites an element of.

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Destruction, chaos, tearing things down.

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It might be associated with
the tarot, uh, the tower card.

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And it really gives the impression
that you have to be really

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willing to let destruction and
chaos go to surrender to it.

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And I find this fascinating because while
this card was not picked specifically

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for this episode, it was picked.

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For today, and it goes absolutely
perfectly with the idea we're

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gonna talk about with ketamine.

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And I'm gonna talk more about my
experience after the interview,

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so stay tuned for that because I'm
gonna do a follow up afterwards.

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Um, before I get into it.

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Um.

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I just wanted to give you a visual
to help explain the way that I

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helped my kids understand what this
Phoenix or Cali card really means.

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And I said, if you were in a cell,
a jail cell, and you would put

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yourself there, but you can't get out.

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And it's not very comfy and it's not
very cozy, but it's really all you know.

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So you stay there and you,
you put yourself there because

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you don't know any different.

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Would you want to get out?

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Would you wanna get out of that
cell and experience other places?

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And they said yes.

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And I said, okay.

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So before that can happen,
we have to destroy the walls.

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We have to destroy the cell.

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And the energy of Cali or
destruction is really about

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freeing ourselves from the selves.

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We've put ourselves into the.

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Jail cell, we put ourselves into the cages
we put ourselves in, so we that then can

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re rebirth, rise from the ashes and become
who it is we want or are meant to be.

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So I love that theme for today's
episode because we're gonna talk

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a lot about what that looks like
with a guided ketamine session and

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with psychedelics, how it really.

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Helps propel you into a space where you
can start breaking down all of those

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walls and rebuilding them in a way that's
much more suited to you and your freedom.

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Okay, let's get to it.

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Hi.

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Welcome back.

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This is my living room and I've invited.

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Dr. Uffer from Guide Ketamine and Shandal
Pinot from Inner Life Academy to join me

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to talk about psychedelics and healing.

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And we have some adventures to share
with you, some adventures we've

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been on in the last couple of weeks.

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So I'm excited to talk about this because.

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First of all, you have a really great
story in how you came to be a part of

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all of this, this woowoo Healing Worlds,
as some people refer to it, and then the

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actual medical side of things that you do.

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So how did you end up
doing guided ketamine?

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Yeah, it's kind of interesting 'cause.

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I'm a year into my journey and I find
myself surrounded in a community that

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I've never been a part of before.

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The whole spiritual, um, yeah.

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Whatever you want to call it.

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Woo woo.

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Or whatever people call us.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because I am, I am emergency medicine
trained, worked at trauma centers

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and emergency rooms my entire career.

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So almost 20 years of, um, just
working like a standard er doctor job.

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And it was, I, it's gotta be close to
two years ago now, I underwent treatment

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with ketamine as a patient and it kind
of changed my whole trajectory of my

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career and what I do and what I believe.

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And typically like ketamine's
associated with treating for pain?

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Yeah, so I would use, so
Ketamine's been around for.

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Since the 1960s, I believe, and has always
been used in human medicine, it gets a

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rep as being like a horse tranquilizer.

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'cause it is used in veterinary medicine
too, but it's used in human medicine more.

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Um, but I would use ketamine in
the emergency room to anesta I

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people to put 'em down, to put 'em,
put, knock 'em out for procedures.

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And so I use ketamine all the
time, but never for mental health.

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And I had heard, you know.

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People talking about
ketamine for mental health.

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Um, it's been like 20 years since
the very first study suggested

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that it could be helpful.

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And so I'd heard people talking
about it, but I never paid attention

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to it 'cause that's not how I
used it in the emergency room.

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Um, until year and a half or two
years ago, I came across a paper

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that was talking and showing
what Ketamine did to your brain.

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Um, after.

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You got it as a patient, and
it was a study where they were

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looking at the brains of mice.

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And after a single dose of ketamine,
the, the researchers were able to watch

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a whole bunch of new synapses grow new.

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The synapses are the connections
between the neurons and your brain.

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A whole bunch of new synapses grow
and forming, literally forming, like

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physically forming new connections and
opening up new parts of the brain and.

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It was that paper that made me say
to myself like, geez, is this does,

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is this actually the real deal?

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Because I had been poo-pooing ketamine
for mental health for, for years.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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There's, and you had to be converted?

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Well, right.

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'cause there's, there's fads that come
in along in medicine all the time.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so.

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I'm very science oriented and
western medicine trained, and I'm

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like, you know, colon cleanses
of the world and the IV vitamins.

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I'm kind of like, you
know, that's kind of a fad.

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Like, show me the data and show
me that it's actually working.

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And so I kind of delved into the research
behind ketamine and there's literally

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like hundreds of papers not only showing
that people feel better, um, from a

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mental health standpoint and the, the.

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The mental health, um, issues that
are most well-studied are depression.

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Anxiety and PTSD.

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Mm-hmm.

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Right.

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So hun literally hundreds of
studies people with these conditions

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can be treated with ketamine
and feel better afterwards.

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But was what was more interesting to me
is that in more recently, maybe in the

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last five to seven years, the studies
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happening at the cellular level.

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Um, you know, the mechanism of why
people might feel better and what it.

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Is showing is exactly what I
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Same as in humans.

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It stimulates the proliferation
of synapses and new connections

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in your brain, and literally
opens up new neural pathways,

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opens up new areas of your brain.

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And this is why the, the
popular media likes to use

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buzzwords like neuroplasticity.

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Rewiring.

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Mm-hmm.

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Resetting.

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It's, it all comes down to the fact that
it is stimulating new synapse growth and

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opening up new pathways in your brain.

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That's what I think of when I think of
like, what people call a shift or they're

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like, I feel the shift happening and in
the world of like, without the, the help

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of the chemicals or the help of that,
just in an emotional healing world.

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Um, therapist and people
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This is all possible to rewire the brain,
but takes years and years and years

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of, um, first of all, high emotion,
uh, you know, looking at things with

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the help of somebody who can help
you look at things from a different

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perspective because our brains are
mapped by the time, like eight years old.

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So.

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It's pretty much like everything
that we've decided we need to

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do in our lives, how we get our
needs met and things like that.

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And, um, I talked in another episode
about the chemicals of the brain, uh, how

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to get those chemicals, those chemicals
that make us feel good in the brain.

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We like all have our way
of getting that need met.

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But it's so hard to rewrite that
once it's solidified as a synopsis.

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It's like that's all we know.

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So I know for me personally, in my healing
journey, there's so much work being done

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for years and years and years, and you
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But there's still always that old way.

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And so sometimes when you get into
a stuck space of being confused or

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triggered, you just go, I don't really
know what else to do but that old way.

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So you sometimes end up going
back to the old way anyway.

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So we're gonna talk about this
when we talk about my session.

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We, there's so much more to talk
about with rewriting the brain.

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But you talked about before, you talked
about, uh, the chemical need because

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I know about like the basic ones.

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We know endorphins and dopamine,
um, but ketamine is like addressing

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a different chemical that most
of us don't know about, right?

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Yeah.

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So like you said, everybody
has kinda heard about.

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The dopamines and the serotonins of
the world, these neurotransmitters

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that help regulate emotions.

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But there's one that gets less, um, less
attention, and it's truthfully less well

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understood than dopamine and serotonin and
norepinephrine, but it's called glutamate.

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And ketamine binds to the same receptor
that the glutamate binds to in your brain.

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Yeah.

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And it's not, it's not
completely understood.

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How and why, but there's kind of
a cascade of events that leads to

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stimulation of your neurons, firing
of neurons all over your brain.

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That gives you the psychedelic experience
while those neurons are firing, but it

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for some reason, it also stimulates.

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The neurons to then search for new
connections after the experience.

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And that's where the growth of new
synapses, um, you know, like another buzz

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word, like fertilizer for your brain.

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Mm-hmm.

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It is like your, after the medicine,
your neurons just start to like reach

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for each other and form new connections.

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Yeah.

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And for me, that was the selling point.

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That's when I became a believer, right?

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So not only do people say that they
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there's a mechanism to explain why.

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And you combine those two things
together and I'm like, this, this is it.

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This is the real deal.

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It's working.

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You know why it's working.

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And I can feel that so much.

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I called it mushy brain after the session.

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I mean, there was the psychedelic
experience, which we'll talk about, but

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I was like, for the next day or two, I
was so aware that my brain was in a state

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that felt like it would accept whatever.

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I fed it very respect.

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So I was very like intentional.

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And that's, um, we'll get to
like where you come in because.

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It's your work as a healer in what you do
to be like, Kate, it's really important

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to what you do with this time and these
affirmations that I'm helping you with.

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'cause I was like, okay, whatever.

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Affirmation.

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It was like a buffet
of what do I want now?

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Yeah.

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And I wanna like make sure that's what
I'm feeding myself with for the next.

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48 hours.

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So I, I intentionally, like I told my
family, we're not turning on the tv.

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I'm not turning on any, I'm not
getting, not getting on social media

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for anything that I don't absolutely
have to, and I'm, you know, all of these

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things that I wanna make sure that I.

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Reprogram my brain.

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Mm-hmm.

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As much as possible.

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Now, I, you know, I will preface
that by saying it's not magical.

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It can't just fix everything
in my life in one session.

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So I realized that's gonna be
important, but it really was helpful

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for me to be intentional about
what is it now moving forward?

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Like, how do I.

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How do I really use this time?

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Very, very wisely and carefully.

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So you realizing that a lot of people
were doing like ketamine treatments

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in a clinical type setting, but
maybe weren't receiving the support

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that they needed in the before and
the after and the elements of how it

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actually opened up, uh, consciousness.

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Like in a, in a spiritual way.

246
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Yeah.

247
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Yeah.

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And come stand out.

249
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Well, exactly.

250
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So I learned early on.

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In this journey, you, the medicine
is going to stimulate some synapse

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growth, but it's not, you can't
just take it and go on exactly

253
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how you've always gone, gone on.

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You actually have to train
that new growth, grow into some

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positive like neural loops.

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And the truth was that I'm
an emergency room doctor.

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That I realized, like I'm not trained to
help people from an emotional standpoint.

258
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Right.

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I can give you the medicine,
I can make sure you're safe.

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I can make sure you don't overdose.

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I can get you through the experience.

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Um, but man, I was way out of my
league when it came to supporting

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somebody from an emotional or spiritual
standpoint because, and I think

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you said, we'll talk about this.

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It is.

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Of any medicine I've ever given
it is the one that crosses the

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border between science and western
medicine into the metaphysical or

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the spiritual, or like whatever.

269
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Mm-hmm.

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Religious, whatever you
want to describe it.

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Yeah.

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And that is where I was
like, I, now I'm lost.

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Like this is not what I do.

274
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Um, and that is how I ended
up working with Chantelle.

275
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Yeah.

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In comes your story.

277
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Okay.

278
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And you've been a sitter
before Ketamine, right?

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Mm-hmm.

280
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Yeah.

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So tell me a little bit about
your background in coming into

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this and we'll meet in the middle.

283
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Yeah.

284
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Um, so I've been an energy
healer for 15 years and, um, it

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was six years ago that I was.

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Told to go sit with ayahuasca.

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So I sat with Ayahuasca and
that completely changed the

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trajectory of what I was working
with and what I was working on.

289
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Um, I did not facilitate ayahuasca.

290
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That's way bigger job than me.

291
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But, um, I did facilitate with
other medicines for a while.

292
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Um, a lot of that stuff is, you know,
underground because it's not legal.

293
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Mm-hmm.

294
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And so that's not talked about.

295
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Mm-hmm.

296
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Um, but I would hold
space for a lot of my.

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Clients.

298
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And then all of a sudden
ketamine was like everywhere.

299
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Yeah.

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And I had quite a few of my
clients coming in, being like, oh

301
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my gosh, I had a ketamine session
yesterday and it was awful.

302
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And I was so scared.

303
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They just left me in a room by myself
or like, they just, I wasn't even fully

304
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out of the medicine and they kicked
me out and I had to get in the car

305
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and I had to leave, or like my sitter
was late and I had to sit on the curb.

306
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Like there were so many things.

307
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Um.

308
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And so I ended up having to like clean
up energetically and emotionally all

309
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of these people and I'm like this,
that medicine is supposed to be helping

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you not creating additional trauma.

311
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Yeah.

312
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Can you imagine being right after,
and your neuropathways are all mushy

313
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and you're ready to like accept new
things and the thing you accept is

314
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I'm abandoned and no one came to me.

315
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Right.

316
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Right.

317
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Well, and like to go back to what
you said, that you can just get the

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medicine and it does what it does,
but also like if you go back to your

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normal everyday life, if you are in
the back of the car just scrolling as

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they drive you home, you're reiterating
the life you just tried to get out of.

321
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Mm-hmm.

322
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You're just like cementing it in more.

323
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And so as I started having more and
more of these clients that were like.

324
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I need help.

325
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I just did another session and
I, I'm still feeling like this.

326
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And, um, I was a driver
for my best friend.

327
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I was her driver, and I took her to
a clinic and talked to the doctor,

328
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which they're an amazing clinic.

329
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The doctor actually does
sit with you there, right?

330
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Um, and so I talked to her and
she's like, we have a training.

331
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And I'm like, I'm in.

332
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And I went through their training.

333
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It was great.

334
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And I was like.

335
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And there's so much more than even in that
training could allow for in that space.

336
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And then I met him at the psychedelic
conference and I was like.

337
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I wanted to talk to you.

338
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'cause if you're going into
people's homes, that is

339
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literally the perfect setting.

340
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Mm-hmm.

341
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For people that they can create
what they need to know in order

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to create the safety and space.

343
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And, um, then, you know, when we work
together, I can offer that actual.

344
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Preparing because you, you should
go in prepared to what you're

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about to experience mm-hmm.

346
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Mentally and emotionally.

347
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And if, especially if you've never
had a psychedelic experience before,

348
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which a lot of people don't or
haven't, but they're willing to

349
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try ketamine because of the data.

350
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Mm-hmm.

351
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Um, it's important for you to kind
of have some idea of what you may

352
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experience while you're in there,
um, because it can be overwhelming.

353
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Yeah.

354
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And so like I, you know, then where I come
in from all of my years of, of sitting

355
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with people both for emotional processing,
energy work, um, and then psychedelics,

356
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uh, it's been a, a really good combo.

357
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Yeah.

358
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I'm one of those, the first timers.

359
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Yeah.

360
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And I, I had wanted just being
in the healing world and learning

361
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everything I could and, um, you
know, just being kind of like, um.

362
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A lifelong learner of these things.

363
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I was like, I know I wanna try something
at some point, but I'm also, I mean, I've

364
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never done anything like I barely drink.

365
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Mm-hmm.

366
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Uh, no.

367
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Nothing outside of the body
that comes into my body.

368
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I really haven't experienced very much
compared to probably most people who

369
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try things here and there and like they
have a wild youth and whatever they do.

370
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I have not had any of that.

371
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I was a very clean person,
so it was just like.

372
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Okay, if I'm gonna do this, I
really wanna make sure I'm safe.

373
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Like I really, I'm looking for something
where I really trust the people I'm

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with and I really feel like, um, I we're
doing this kind of all the right ways.

375
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I'm not worried about anything happening.

376
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And so when the opportunity came
along, I'm like, I think this is it.

377
00:20:15,915 --> 00:20:17,355
This is when I need to trend this.

378
00:20:17,534 --> 00:20:20,504
I always thought it might be like
a shaman or somebody that does an

379
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ayahuasca trip to things that they do.

380
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And, um, I know that there's
options where un under religious.

381
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Right laws.

382
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They can, they can do certain things.

383
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And so I thought maybe that
would be a route I would go.

384
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But then this came up, I was like, this
is what I feel is going to be my a,

385
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a good thing for my first experience.

386
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I need to like have this in a, in a place
where I feel like everybody knows what

387
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they're doing and they're very highly
qualified and I am completely safe.

388
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And so we did do it in a group
setting and we'll show some of the

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clips of, uh, what that was like
and what, what we went through, but.

390
00:20:53,745 --> 00:20:58,245
Uh, I really just have to say I appreciate
that, first of all, um, because I've

391
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been seeking healing in an emotional
and energy healing world for many years.

392
00:21:03,585 --> 00:21:07,185
I was aware of what I
was going into it for.

393
00:21:07,305 --> 00:21:07,485
Hmm.

394
00:21:07,695 --> 00:21:08,865
I think that's really helpful.

395
00:21:08,895 --> 00:21:09,075
Yeah.

396
00:21:09,135 --> 00:21:11,774
So when people have asked me is I've
had clients that are saying, I'm gonna

397
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go have academy session, and I'm like,
and they're like, what should I do?

398
00:21:14,685 --> 00:21:15,524
Or what should I know?

399
00:21:15,794 --> 00:21:19,004
I'm like, I don't know
anything about that.

400
00:21:19,305 --> 00:21:21,435
But I think that a session before.

401
00:21:22,260 --> 00:21:24,690
And a session after in emotional healing.

402
00:21:24,695 --> 00:21:24,835
Mm-hmm.

403
00:21:24,915 --> 00:21:26,275
Uh, would be really helpful.

404
00:21:27,015 --> 00:21:28,621
Um, just what I know of it.

405
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,149
So having experienced it now I can
say, oh, it was really helpful to

406
00:21:33,149 --> 00:21:36,030
go in there knowing like, this is
what I wanna change in my life.

407
00:21:36,030 --> 00:21:38,909
These are things that I have
been trying and working on and

408
00:21:38,909 --> 00:21:42,629
shifting for a long time, and then
go into it with some intention.

409
00:21:42,629 --> 00:21:47,520
So it's great that you do like the, uh,
what do you call it, the intake interview?

410
00:21:47,580 --> 00:21:47,610
Yeah.

411
00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:49,020
I usually do like pre-integration.

412
00:21:49,230 --> 00:21:50,310
Pre-integration.

413
00:21:50,340 --> 00:21:50,700
Yeah.

414
00:21:50,730 --> 00:21:54,720
So you kind of talk to us on the phone and
say, what is it that you wanna work on?

415
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,980
What is it that you're looking for?

416
00:21:56,490 --> 00:22:00,090
The doctor aspect of it is
like, again, super safe.

417
00:22:00,090 --> 00:22:03,750
I feel like someone is there
monitoring me, has all my medical

418
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:05,520
information, asked for all these things.

419
00:22:06,285 --> 00:22:06,945
Beforehand.

420
00:22:06,945 --> 00:22:10,515
So you knew like if there was anything
in my medical history or anything

421
00:22:10,515 --> 00:22:14,565
that I needed to know, you knew the
dosages, um, that were appropriate

422
00:22:14,565 --> 00:22:15,945
for me and everything like that.

423
00:22:15,945 --> 00:22:18,945
And then during the session you're
like, monitoring your heart, I'm

424
00:22:18,945 --> 00:22:20,895
monitoring your oxygen, you'll be okay.

425
00:22:21,405 --> 00:22:23,115
So I'm like, great.

426
00:22:23,415 --> 00:22:26,835
I can absolutely kick back and
totally not worry about a thing.

427
00:22:26,895 --> 00:22:27,255
Right?

428
00:22:27,705 --> 00:22:27,945
Yeah.

429
00:22:27,945 --> 00:22:29,595
And I'll actually, I'll
say something about that.

430
00:22:29,775 --> 00:22:31,635
It's interesting that ketamine is.

431
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:37,920
The psychedelic that is legal because
it's kind of the most dangerous one.

432
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:38,700
Right.

433
00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:42,085
And you talk about psilocybin, which
is mushrooms, or you talk about LSD.

434
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:48,000
Or even DMT, like you people don't
really overdose or have medical

435
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,280
complications from those psychedelics.

436
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:50,520
Mm-hmm.

437
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:56,040
Ketamine, you can, you can become over
sedated and suppress your respirations.

438
00:22:56,189 --> 00:22:57,840
Not often, but it's possible.

439
00:22:57,870 --> 00:22:58,110
Yeah.

440
00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:00,750
It can raise your blood pressure,
it can raise your heart rate.

441
00:23:00,750 --> 00:23:04,889
It can cause you, you're
relatively sedated.

442
00:23:04,889 --> 00:23:07,379
So if you threw up while
you were sedated, you.

443
00:23:08,129 --> 00:23:10,290
You have a risk of choking or aspirating.

444
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:10,560
Mm-hmm.

445
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,389
And so it really does need to be
administered by a medical person.

446
00:23:15,389 --> 00:23:15,510
Yeah.

447
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:20,490
Who is ready to intervene if any kinda
side effect or complication happens.

448
00:23:20,550 --> 00:23:23,850
And it's, those are all very rare.

449
00:23:24,629 --> 00:23:27,870
A knock on wood, I've
never, I, I met over 400.

450
00:23:28,544 --> 00:23:31,544
You know, like home visits
that I've done for people.

451
00:23:31,544 --> 00:23:34,574
I've never had any kinda
serious complication, but

452
00:23:34,635 --> 00:23:36,014
the possibility is there.

453
00:23:36,014 --> 00:23:37,245
So you do need somebody mm-hmm.

454
00:23:37,665 --> 00:23:41,564
Who is trained to intervene
if something medical happens.

455
00:23:41,649 --> 00:23:41,939
Yeah.

456
00:23:42,165 --> 00:23:42,405
Yeah.

457
00:23:42,405 --> 00:23:43,544
I'm glad that you mentioned that too.

458
00:23:43,544 --> 00:23:48,135
And I was, um, interested too and
just kind of the comparison between

459
00:23:48,135 --> 00:23:52,185
something that's plant-based or
natural based and something synthetic.

460
00:23:52,635 --> 00:23:54,554
Created like Ken means.

461
00:23:54,554 --> 00:23:55,905
So I'm glad that you brought that up.

462
00:23:56,534 --> 00:24:01,935
And, uh, so in, in, I, and I do
wanna say that I have now had the

463
00:24:01,935 --> 00:24:06,764
experience of being both the one in
the session and then being able to

464
00:24:06,764 --> 00:24:10,605
sit with you during a session when
somebody was having their session.

465
00:24:10,605 --> 00:24:15,615
And, um, and by the way, just
being an observer, I reiterate,

466
00:24:15,615 --> 00:24:18,254
I'm not qualified and I've not
had the training that you've had.

467
00:24:18,254 --> 00:24:19,995
I was there literally
just to be an observer.

468
00:24:20,655 --> 00:24:24,074
But what I thought was interesting about
that experience, being on the outside of

469
00:24:24,074 --> 00:24:29,475
it and watching it and watching your work
and what you guys do is, um, it felt to

470
00:24:29,475 --> 00:24:36,105
me like, uh, I could absolutely see you
as an incarnate, as a priestess of isis.

471
00:24:36,105 --> 00:24:40,845
I. One of those people that, um, in
history have been known to be like

472
00:24:40,845 --> 00:24:43,605
the healing priestesses that they come
in and they do the anointing of the

473
00:24:43,605 --> 00:24:47,685
oils and they do the, uh, that's how I
envisioned you as we were doing that.

474
00:24:47,685 --> 00:24:52,305
I was like, look at her, do her thing, and
this is just all happening all at once.

475
00:24:52,305 --> 00:24:52,695
You know?

476
00:24:53,025 --> 00:24:56,985
So I really appreciate that perspective,
or you letting me have that yeah,

477
00:24:56,985 --> 00:25:03,045
moment where I could just be like,
I'm just this other body in the room

478
00:25:03,045 --> 00:25:05,175
and I get to just be here under this.

479
00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:08,880
Light of your wisdom as it were.

480
00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:11,850
But yeah, we'll go into kind of the
group session that we have and the

481
00:25:11,850 --> 00:25:15,305
experience that we had because, um,
'cause they wanna talk about just how.

482
00:25:16,125 --> 00:25:18,195
What you're saying it does to the brain.

483
00:25:18,855 --> 00:25:24,015
Um, and I am a Pisces,
uh, I'm a modern mystic.

484
00:25:24,105 --> 00:25:27,225
I kind of, I didn't even realize
this until the last couple of years.

485
00:25:27,225 --> 00:25:30,825
I thought everybody just lived like
this, but I live kind of in a different

486
00:25:30,825 --> 00:25:34,575
realm all the time anyway, that's just
like how I've always done my life.

487
00:25:34,815 --> 00:25:37,515
Everybody was like, oh, you're such
an imaginative person, or you're

488
00:25:37,515 --> 00:25:38,745
imaginative child, and I'm like.

489
00:25:39,570 --> 00:25:39,750
Isn't.

490
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:43,379
That doesn't, because I thought that
everybody lived like this, but now

491
00:25:43,379 --> 00:25:46,260
realizing that, you know, especially
when I'm doing something like breath

492
00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:49,620
work or a sound bath, I can disassociate.

493
00:25:49,620 --> 00:25:53,700
I feel like I can leave my body, I
can leave, I can go to other worlds.

494
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,260
So already during the session you started
with a sound bath and you started with the

495
00:25:58,260 --> 00:26:01,649
bowls, and so I was kind of already gone.

496
00:26:02,610 --> 00:26:06,360
I was like, I'm in the stars,
I'm leaving and then coming for

497
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:07,680
the first injection that you did.

498
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:09,389
It brought me back.

499
00:26:09,419 --> 00:26:11,159
'cause I had to be like,
oh, that's my body.

500
00:26:11,159 --> 00:26:12,179
I'm over here again.

501
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,439
You know, getting the shot.

502
00:26:14,459 --> 00:26:20,070
Um, and then you, it kind of
slowly takes you into it and it

503
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:21,899
really felt kind of like dropping.

504
00:26:21,905 --> 00:26:22,024
Mm-hmm.

505
00:26:22,105 --> 00:26:26,010
It feels like you're dropping out of your
body or, um, I kind of thought it would

506
00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:30,179
be more like ascending, but it's, it kind
of feels like you're just dropping out.

507
00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:31,800
Everything just kind of relaxes.

508
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:32,219
Yeah.

509
00:26:32,219 --> 00:26:36,209
It just kind of goes, go into other
worlds, kind of start to see other things.

510
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,139
I did.

511
00:26:37,199 --> 00:26:37,620
Um.

512
00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:42,300
Um, and we kind of talked about you,
you kind of helped prepare us in

513
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:45,660
saying that you might think you'll
see lots of colors, but you might

514
00:26:45,660 --> 00:26:49,830
not, it can be really dull and muted
as far as the colors go and stuff.

515
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:51,720
But the first thing I
saw was bright colors.

516
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,020
I saw colors and shapes
and things like that.

517
00:26:55,470 --> 00:26:59,730
And it wasn't until after the second
injection that I started to, it started

518
00:26:59,730 --> 00:27:03,000
to come together as kind of like, um.

519
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:07,889
One of the ladies, I, I, in our
session, she said it exactly

520
00:27:07,889 --> 00:27:09,179
the way that I was imagined.

521
00:27:09,179 --> 00:27:10,919
It, it was like being a dune.

522
00:27:11,610 --> 00:27:13,379
We were just in different worlds.

523
00:27:13,889 --> 00:27:15,810
I saw different worlds.

524
00:27:15,810 --> 00:27:19,830
I saw, um, a lot of pyramids.

525
00:27:19,950 --> 00:27:20,129
Hmm.

526
00:27:20,429 --> 00:27:23,010
I saw pyramids in different places.

527
00:27:23,010 --> 00:27:26,610
Like if it was like on dune,
on a. Kind of a desert.

528
00:27:26,610 --> 00:27:30,300
It was like the pyramid there, or
it was like a green world, kind of

529
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,940
an avatar with lots of greenery.

530
00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:34,020
It was pyramids.

531
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:37,920
Um, I went to a place that was
all white and cold, like a like.

532
00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:43,020
At the Arctic, but it was pyramids and
some of the pyramids were like this, and

533
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:44,490
some of the pyramids were upside down.

534
00:27:44,879 --> 00:27:49,050
Sometimes I was in like an arena
that was huge and spacious, but

535
00:27:49,050 --> 00:27:50,850
there was always a pyramid there.

536
00:27:51,899 --> 00:27:52,470
Interesting.

537
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:55,919
Yeah, it was really fascinating If
I did actually visit other worlds.

538
00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:58,975
They have pyramids there
too, just so everybody knows.

539
00:27:59,850 --> 00:28:00,210
Yeah.

540
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:01,680
And you know it's listening to you.

541
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,810
I always, it always reminds me, it is
so difficult to try to describe Yeah.

542
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:08,100
The experience.

543
00:28:08,250 --> 00:28:08,310
Yeah.

544
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:11,340
'cause you probably feel like
you're not doing it justice.

545
00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:13,350
'cause it was so, it's bizarre.

546
00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:17,430
And then somebody listening is
like, okay, you saw pyramids, right?

547
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:21,150
Like, and it is very difficult to try
to explain what it's like because it

548
00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:24,780
truly is an experience that is not.

549
00:28:25,155 --> 00:28:28,065
I mean, unless you've done other
psychedelics, it's a, it's an

550
00:28:28,065 --> 00:28:29,745
experience that you've never had before.

551
00:28:29,745 --> 00:28:29,835
Right.

552
00:28:30,165 --> 00:28:32,325
And you almost can't put it into words.

553
00:28:32,595 --> 00:28:33,705
Yeah, true.

554
00:28:34,635 --> 00:28:38,595
And I think it, from a medical's
perspective, what's happening

555
00:28:39,014 --> 00:28:40,665
is that the ketamine binds this.

556
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:44,190
Receptor that glutamate typically binds.

557
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,410
There's a cascade of events and it leads
to neurons firing all over your brain.

558
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,110
I mean, almost like a
seizure, but more organized.

559
00:28:52,110 --> 00:28:56,340
But just like neurons everywhere, a
lot of the firing is in your occipital

560
00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:58,410
lobe, which is the visual cortex.

561
00:28:58,415 --> 00:28:58,555
Okay.

562
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,450
And so makes you're.

563
00:29:01,605 --> 00:29:06,075
Your consciousness or your
soul, or however you want

564
00:29:06,075 --> 00:29:07,995
to describe it, who you are.

565
00:29:07,995 --> 00:29:14,055
Your brain takes all these
inputs and it has never seen

566
00:29:14,055 --> 00:29:15,615
that pattern of inputs before.

567
00:29:15,615 --> 00:29:18,525
Because as you're living your life,
you would never be doing anything

568
00:29:18,525 --> 00:29:22,275
that would firing off all these
neurons in the that type of pattern.

569
00:29:22,755 --> 00:29:22,845
Mm-hmm.

570
00:29:23,085 --> 00:29:25,185
So your consciousness
takes all this input.

571
00:29:25,604 --> 00:29:29,864
And it tries to present you with
what it thinks is happening.

572
00:29:30,794 --> 00:29:30,854
Okay.

573
00:29:31,004 --> 00:29:33,975
And so you get all these neurons
firing in your visual cortex and your

574
00:29:33,975 --> 00:29:39,344
consciousness is like, um, okay, well I
guess it's this, here's some pyramids.

575
00:29:39,344 --> 00:29:39,435
Mm-hmm.

576
00:29:39,435 --> 00:29:41,024
Or here, you know, here's some Yeah.

577
00:29:41,804 --> 00:29:44,385
Swirling lights or whatever
it thinks is happening.

578
00:29:45,074 --> 00:29:47,114
But, but it scrambles your visuals.

579
00:29:47,264 --> 00:29:47,354
Mm-hmm.

580
00:29:47,594 --> 00:29:49,514
But it scrambles your sense of body.

581
00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:55,185
So most people don't feel their body
or feel like they leave their body feel

582
00:29:55,185 --> 00:29:57,315
like their body is stretching or falling.

583
00:29:57,315 --> 00:29:58,695
Or rising.

584
00:29:59,055 --> 00:29:59,295
Mm-hmm.

585
00:29:59,895 --> 00:30:03,375
Um, it scrambles your
emotions a little bit.

586
00:30:03,465 --> 00:30:03,645
Mm-hmm.

587
00:30:03,915 --> 00:30:07,215
So you, it can bring up
super strong emotions.

588
00:30:07,215 --> 00:30:11,565
It can make you laugh, it can make you
cry without even really knowing why.

589
00:30:12,885 --> 00:30:16,365
But it also, it does scramble
your thinking just a little bit

590
00:30:16,365 --> 00:30:21,975
too, and never really to the point
of like forgetting who you are.

591
00:30:22,574 --> 00:30:29,355
Um, your rational thought is still intact,
but it does force you to sometimes drop

592
00:30:29,355 --> 00:30:35,385
some barriers that you've put up or
to, I have a lot of those bring things

593
00:30:35,385 --> 00:30:40,665
that you've been avoiding more to the
surface, and so you get in that space.

594
00:30:41,475 --> 00:30:45,615
And not only is there a psychedelic
experience going on, but you have to,

595
00:30:45,645 --> 00:30:52,725
you are oftentimes faced with these
like emotional, spiritual experiences

596
00:30:52,725 --> 00:30:59,804
at the same time, and that is, that
is not something that Western Medicine

597
00:31:00,794 --> 00:31:07,245
prepares you for as so I wasn't
prepared for it as a patient myself.

598
00:31:07,905 --> 00:31:10,004
Um, and I wasn't prepared for it as.

599
00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:12,510
The person giving the ketamine.

600
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,520
And so that, and again, like here I
am talking about the science behind

601
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,185
it, but so the science behind it.

602
00:31:20,185 --> 00:31:20,425
No, that's okay.

603
00:31:20,425 --> 00:31:23,225
You're the Scully right of the Xbox.

604
00:31:23,245 --> 00:31:24,065
I'm an X Browne fan.

605
00:31:24,415 --> 00:31:28,260
He's the medical guy and we're,
uh, she's like the molder.

606
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:29,940
She lives on the supernatural.

607
00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:31,379
The science behind it is easy.

608
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,700
Like my side is easy.

609
00:31:33,150 --> 00:31:35,160
I know I can give you the medicine if you.

610
00:31:35,504 --> 00:31:36,824
Stop breathing, I'll fix that.

611
00:31:36,824 --> 00:31:39,314
If you have your heart
rate spikes, I'll fix that.

612
00:31:39,314 --> 00:31:40,754
If your blood pressure
drops, I'll fix that.

613
00:31:41,235 --> 00:31:46,365
But like, um, I don't
know what I was doing.

614
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:49,514
Like I And you're doing the supporting
the emotional, the physical or

615
00:31:49,514 --> 00:31:51,284
the, the spiritual side of things.

616
00:31:51,284 --> 00:31:51,375
Mm-hmm.

617
00:31:51,615 --> 00:31:54,405
And you're actually doing the energy
work, like what we would typically

618
00:31:54,405 --> 00:31:59,085
see in reiki and you're going through
and doing that and receiving messages.

619
00:31:59,445 --> 00:31:59,774
Yeah.

620
00:31:59,774 --> 00:32:02,955
So when I am, when, if
we have like one-on-ones.

621
00:32:03,465 --> 00:32:04,155
Specifically.

622
00:32:04,155 --> 00:32:07,035
'cause when we do it in groups,
I'm a little bit more spread out.

623
00:32:07,035 --> 00:32:08,865
So I only take a few
moments with each person.

624
00:32:08,865 --> 00:32:13,305
But, um, as long as they're open
to, you know, having energy work.

625
00:32:13,725 --> 00:32:18,825
Um, and it's not always like reiki really,
it is whatever the person is needing.

626
00:32:18,945 --> 00:32:19,185
Mm-hmm.

627
00:32:19,545 --> 00:32:22,665
And I always preface with like, I
don't take out energy, but what I do

628
00:32:22,665 --> 00:32:28,245
is I will be able to see where there
is a blockage, where there is a built

629
00:32:28,245 --> 00:32:30,975
up of energy that can sometimes.

630
00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:37,620
Create those difficult times in the
experience or the like, overwhelm.

631
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:38,939
And I just help support it.

632
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,700
I help shift it, I help
get it to start moving.

633
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,740
Um, and then it creates the
deeper understanding of what

634
00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:48,060
it is they're experiencing.

635
00:32:48,450 --> 00:32:53,100
And um, then I do end up with a lot
of messages that I just write down.

636
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:53,159
Yeah.

637
00:32:53,429 --> 00:32:54,990
Super powerful.

638
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,080
Uh, I mean, I can only
imagine just enhancing.

639
00:32:58,650 --> 00:33:04,140
Even with the work, when I go in
to receive energy work or I'm doing

640
00:33:04,140 --> 00:33:08,910
energy work with a client, um,
first of all, it's really powerful

641
00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:10,440
to let people have the experience.

642
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:13,890
Like instead of, here's me telling you
everything that you're gonna do and

643
00:33:13,890 --> 00:33:19,350
heal and, and, and go through, just
letting them be the guide of the session.

644
00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:21,270
Super powerful already.

645
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,680
Um, and it was very comforting for me
to prepare for the session and being

646
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,870
able to go, I'm probably going to.

647
00:33:28,290 --> 00:33:29,670
Uh, freak out a little bit.

648
00:33:29,670 --> 00:33:30,660
Losing control.

649
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,960
I knew that from doing
the breath work session.

650
00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:38,910
When you start to go into it and, and
they let you know, they're like about five

651
00:33:38,910 --> 00:33:40,800
to seven minutes in of this breathing.

652
00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:42,480
You're hyperventilating yourself.

653
00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:44,280
You're going to lock up.

654
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,370
You might this, you might,
um, have a surge of anxiety.

655
00:33:47,370 --> 00:33:48,870
Like, I don't know what's happening.

656
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:49,650
I don't like this.

657
00:33:50,264 --> 00:33:53,925
And knowing myself and part of letting
go control is a lot of my healing

658
00:33:53,925 --> 00:33:55,875
work is I was like, I don't know.

659
00:33:55,875 --> 00:33:58,725
I might start to drop
out and drop into things.

660
00:33:58,754 --> 00:34:00,314
I might start to panic.

661
00:34:00,524 --> 00:34:04,185
Like, there's no going, there's
no coming back, there's no, um,

662
00:34:05,084 --> 00:34:06,975
you know, I can't take it back.

663
00:34:06,975 --> 00:34:09,074
I can't come out by my choice.

664
00:34:09,074 --> 00:34:10,335
I have to let go.

665
00:34:11,054 --> 00:34:14,534
Um, and as much as I wanted that,
I knew that that might have a

666
00:34:14,534 --> 00:34:15,645
moment where I'd be like, oh, no.

667
00:34:16,095 --> 00:34:18,675
You were really good about, like,
what, what do you think you might need?

668
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:18,880
Mm-hmm.

669
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,145
Do you need me to come hold your hand?

670
00:34:20,145 --> 00:34:24,075
Do you need me to, um, you know,
if you wave your hand and say,

671
00:34:24,075 --> 00:34:25,665
hold my hand, I'll hold your hand.

672
00:34:25,695 --> 00:34:28,305
Or just words of affirmation,
you're here, you're in this room.

673
00:34:29,175 --> 00:34:34,875
But, um, I found that that should be the
absolute best part of the experience was

674
00:34:34,875 --> 00:34:37,725
that once I was able to go, you know what?

675
00:34:37,755 --> 00:34:38,534
This is happening.

676
00:34:39,075 --> 00:34:40,034
I can't do anything about it now.

677
00:34:40,545 --> 00:34:40,635
Yeah.

678
00:34:41,025 --> 00:34:41,655
I gotta just.

679
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,080
Flow with it.

680
00:34:43,230 --> 00:34:43,320
Mm-hmm.

681
00:34:43,590 --> 00:34:47,970
And that being the lesson I needed
most and knowing that that's the

682
00:34:47,970 --> 00:34:52,260
lesson I need most and still the
years of work I've done have not

683
00:34:52,889 --> 00:34:55,139
allowed me to let go to that level.

684
00:34:55,170 --> 00:34:55,440
Yeah.

685
00:34:55,770 --> 00:34:59,100
So that was probably one of the most
powerful things for me to be able to

686
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,950
go, Hey, I'm gonna have this experience.

687
00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:03,390
I'm gonna go wherever I go.

688
00:35:03,390 --> 00:35:05,610
I'm gonna see whatever I
see and I'm just gonna.

689
00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:07,260
Let it happen.

690
00:35:07,350 --> 00:35:07,500
Mm-hmm.

691
00:35:07,950 --> 00:35:11,970
And then I was able to really enjoy
the experience and have a lot of peace.

692
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,520
And I, I remember the very beginning
when I saw kind of colors and all of

693
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,270
these things, it kind of looked like
blocks or structures or whatever it was.

694
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:26,580
And I, I remember thinking as
if praying or speaking to the

695
00:35:26,580 --> 00:35:29,100
universe, like what matters.

696
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:30,960
What actually matters.

697
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:33,780
And then all of it just fell apart.

698
00:35:35,010 --> 00:35:37,260
Everything just melted like it went away.

699
00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:42,060
And this overwhelming sense of
like nothing, nothing matters.

700
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:45,420
And afterwards, you telling me that
was similar to your experience, but you

701
00:35:45,420 --> 00:35:47,970
saying you get to decide what matters.

702
00:35:48,030 --> 00:35:48,120
Mm-hmm.

703
00:35:48,570 --> 00:35:52,590
So that was powerful for me because
my affirmation became after that.

704
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,830
Um, I assign meaning to what matters.

705
00:35:55,835 --> 00:35:55,895
Mm-hmm.

706
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:59,850
And I said that over and over again
for the next 48 hours was just,

707
00:36:00,089 --> 00:36:01,740
I assign meaning to what matters.

708
00:36:02,549 --> 00:36:07,440
And I didn't even realize, I mean,
maybe I did subconsciously, but I

709
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,400
didn't even realize how many things
in my life I was making matter.

710
00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:11,700
Yeah.

711
00:36:12,225 --> 00:36:13,845
Like everything.

712
00:36:14,025 --> 00:36:15,675
Like everything.

713
00:36:15,765 --> 00:36:18,765
Every little thing in my
life was like, that matters.

714
00:36:18,885 --> 00:36:19,515
That matters.

715
00:36:19,605 --> 00:36:20,235
That matters.

716
00:36:20,235 --> 00:36:22,485
And you even said the message
to me, which you don't know

717
00:36:22,485 --> 00:36:24,015
me well enough to know, right.

718
00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:30,405
But you said you are trying way too
hard like you are, you are trying.

719
00:36:30,585 --> 00:36:33,375
Um, you said don't be.

720
00:36:34,725 --> 00:36:35,175
Oh my gosh.

721
00:36:35,175 --> 00:36:37,875
I'm trying to remember exactly the words
that you said because it was so great.

722
00:36:37,875 --> 00:36:40,785
But it was like, don't go through
the motions, be in your emotions.

723
00:36:40,875 --> 00:36:41,025
Mm-hmm.

724
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:45,600
And I, and I was like, yep,
that's exactly what I needed.

725
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,770
That's what I need to hear, because I
do tend to be like, this matters and

726
00:36:49,770 --> 00:36:53,280
this matters, and this matters what
I wear, what I do, what, what my kids

727
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,350
are doing every moment of every day.

728
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:58,830
And then I just go, that
doesn't really matter.

729
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:59,100
Yeah.

730
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:00,660
Like, what are my priorities?

731
00:37:00,660 --> 00:37:05,340
Because I had that, that, again,
emotional experience in, in the

732
00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:08,010
session of I really love my kids.

733
00:37:09,194 --> 00:37:11,145
And I just love the work I do.

734
00:37:11,145 --> 00:37:17,714
And I just, and at one point I had what
you called an egoic death afterwards.

735
00:37:17,745 --> 00:37:21,794
'cause I said there was a
point where I ceased to exist.

736
00:37:22,245 --> 00:37:24,134
I didn't even know who
Courtney was anymore.

737
00:37:24,225 --> 00:37:26,955
I was like, Courtney, who?

738
00:37:26,955 --> 00:37:27,194
Who's that?

739
00:37:28,660 --> 00:37:29,745
I am nothing.

740
00:37:30,134 --> 00:37:30,975
And nobody.

741
00:37:31,274 --> 00:37:35,325
And I had a vague semblance
of like, I do have kids in a

742
00:37:35,325 --> 00:37:37,004
family, but I'm, I was just like.

743
00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:38,400
They're fine.

744
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:40,080
Yeah.

745
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,880
Like if I died right now and this is
death and I'm leaving my body, I'm

746
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,070
like, then everybody will be fine.

747
00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:48,330
Yeah.

748
00:37:48,330 --> 00:37:50,759
And if that's what death is,
we shouldn't be afraid of it.

749
00:37:51,090 --> 00:37:51,480
Right.

750
00:37:51,725 --> 00:37:52,500
It feels great.

751
00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:52,980
Right.

752
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,030
Like it's all good.

753
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,050
So, yeah.

754
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:55,350
Yeah.

755
00:37:55,380 --> 00:37:59,970
Do you want to kind of, um, talk
about anything more about your

756
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,009
side of things in that experience?

757
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,050
In your experience?

758
00:38:04,365 --> 00:38:05,820
Just my experience or just in general?

759
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:06,180
Yeah.

760
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:11,130
I mean, I think with anybody's experience,
like especially with, with any psychedelic

761
00:38:11,220 --> 00:38:16,110
and with the ketamine is like clinics
right now are cranking people out, but

762
00:38:16,110 --> 00:38:18,210
not giving them the education mm-hmm.

763
00:38:18,216 --> 00:38:18,255
Of.

764
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,730
How beneficial it is, what they
can and should be doing before,

765
00:38:23,730 --> 00:38:25,529
during, and after a session.

766
00:38:25,890 --> 00:38:30,750
And you know, like I stopped serving
other psychedelics long ago just

767
00:38:30,750 --> 00:38:34,410
for the sake that I'm like, I wanna
help people like actually integrate

768
00:38:34,799 --> 00:38:39,810
their experience and have it show up
in their everyday life of like, you

769
00:38:39,810 --> 00:38:41,100
had that moment where you're like.

770
00:38:42,135 --> 00:38:43,575
I don't know if anything matters.

771
00:38:43,905 --> 00:38:44,265
Right.

772
00:38:44,265 --> 00:38:46,995
And then I'm like, okay, well how are
you gonna apply that to your life?

773
00:38:47,205 --> 00:38:47,295
Mm-hmm.

774
00:38:47,535 --> 00:38:50,445
Instead of you being like, oh, I had this
moment where nothing really mattered.

775
00:38:50,595 --> 00:38:50,685
Yeah.

776
00:38:50,685 --> 00:38:53,205
Now I'm gonna go back to my life
and everything freaking matters.

777
00:38:53,475 --> 00:38:53,955
Right?

778
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:54,050
Yeah.

779
00:38:54,110 --> 00:38:56,210
You don't, I just solidified
that back into my brain.

780
00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:56,211
Yeah.

781
00:38:56,535 --> 00:39:00,855
And so now, like knowing how important
it is for you to take that and work

782
00:39:00,855 --> 00:39:03,075
with it, I always say 48 to 72 hours.

783
00:39:03,075 --> 00:39:03,165
Mm-hmm.

784
00:39:03,405 --> 00:39:05,955
Because I say, do the extra work.

785
00:39:06,165 --> 00:39:06,285
Yeah.

786
00:39:06,315 --> 00:39:07,905
Um, and.

787
00:39:08,130 --> 00:39:14,580
Uh, my heart is truly in
making people feel safe and

788
00:39:16,830 --> 00:39:20,280
open enough in their experience
that they can completely let go.

789
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:20,640
Mm-hmm.

790
00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:26,880
And then on the after effect of
how can I support you afterwards,

791
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,060
how can I take those little tiny
moments that you had in there and

792
00:39:30,060 --> 00:39:32,880
make meaning to their everyday life?

793
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,000
Mm-hmm.

794
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,000
Instead of just the one
experience that they had.

795
00:39:36,450 --> 00:39:37,305
And it was super cool.

796
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:43,560
Yes, it's, it's truly like, like I
said earlier, it's kind of, um, feels

797
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,380
just like the ancient healers of like

798
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:56,310
isis, the priestesses of isis, which, um,
there's some correlation to Mary Magdalene

799
00:39:56,310 --> 00:40:00,779
possibly being a, a priestess of isis and
that was her role and things like that.

800
00:40:00,779 --> 00:40:02,820
And that's kind of where I associate that.

801
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,270
Um.

802
00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:07,230
Being able to be with people, being
able to really actually guide and

803
00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:09,540
support them through what they're
they're doing and what they need.

804
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,270
Um, so it's like, it's sacred work, right?

805
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:12,450
Yeah.

806
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:14,820
And so thank you for
doing that Sacred work.

807
00:40:14,820 --> 00:40:14,880
Yeah.

808
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:15,690
It's important work.

809
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:17,460
And, um, and I'm with you in that.

810
00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:20,670
I would love for anything that
I do, any work that I do to help

811
00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:24,390
support people in that transition
and in just that aftermath of.

812
00:40:25,410 --> 00:40:27,330
Um, let's make new decisions.

813
00:40:27,330 --> 00:40:27,420
Mm-hmm.

814
00:40:27,660 --> 00:40:29,070
Now that you're able to, yeah.

815
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:31,770
Now that you can see that there
are more options than just the same

816
00:40:31,770 --> 00:40:33,540
patterns you've always been in, right?

817
00:40:33,630 --> 00:40:33,840
Yeah.

818
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:33,841
Yeah.

819
00:40:34,110 --> 00:40:39,300
So it's a very beautiful blend of the
medical and spiritual and mystical

820
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:41,730
and emotional and mental and physical.

821
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:42,570
Yeah.

822
00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:45,930
You can just package that
all up in a nice, neat ball.

823
00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:49,290
It's really all about
all of those things, so.

824
00:40:50,085 --> 00:40:55,155
Before we go, tell us where people
can find you and follow you.

825
00:40:57,195 --> 00:41:00,975
Yeah, so technically, technically
we have two separate businesses.

826
00:41:01,155 --> 00:41:01,275
Mm-hmm.

827
00:41:01,515 --> 00:41:06,285
We work together, so mine's called
Guided Ketamine, salt Lake City, so

828
00:41:06,285 --> 00:41:08,115
guided ketamine, salt lake city.com.

829
00:41:09,105 --> 00:41:15,285
Um, all my information's on there, and
I do, I do, we kind of touched on this,

830
00:41:15,645 --> 00:41:19,665
but what the psychedelic people will
talk about the, what they call the set

831
00:41:19,665 --> 00:41:22,035
in the setting, so the mindset mm-hmm.

832
00:41:22,275 --> 00:41:25,155
Going in and the setting in
which you do the medicine.

833
00:41:25,245 --> 00:41:25,335
Yeah.

834
00:41:25,335 --> 00:41:31,845
And if either of those are, feel off, it
can lead to a bad experience, a bad trip.

835
00:41:32,085 --> 00:41:32,295
Right.

836
00:41:32,475 --> 00:41:38,580
And so we, when I. Well, I
decided that I wanted to try to

837
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,190
optimize that set and setting.

838
00:41:41,310 --> 00:41:41,520
Yes.

839
00:41:41,580 --> 00:41:45,930
And so all the chandel
and I do our home visits.

840
00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:49,410
We're like mobile, so
we come to your house.

841
00:41:49,470 --> 00:41:50,130
It's my favorite part.

842
00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:55,860
Do you get a treatment in on your bed or
on your couch with your cat on your lap

843
00:41:55,860 --> 00:41:58,230
or your partner next holding your hand?

844
00:41:58,650 --> 00:42:00,570
So, um, yeah.

845
00:42:01,110 --> 00:42:01,320
Yeah.

846
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,230
So we don't have a physical
location, but we kind of travel

847
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:05,400
throughout the Salt Lake Valley.

848
00:42:05,925 --> 00:42:06,345
Yeah.

849
00:42:06,645 --> 00:42:09,375
And I highly recommend when you go
on that website to just read his

850
00:42:09,375 --> 00:42:11,085
story, read a little bit about that.

851
00:42:11,085 --> 00:42:12,315
'cause it's all really fascinating.

852
00:42:12,315 --> 00:42:12,975
It is really good.

853
00:42:12,975 --> 00:42:14,625
Get you a little bit more about him.

854
00:42:14,835 --> 00:42:15,045
Yeah.

855
00:42:15,285 --> 00:42:17,415
And, and then I'm Interlight Academy.

856
00:42:17,685 --> 00:42:21,315
Um, I'm in Riverton and I go with him.

857
00:42:21,315 --> 00:42:23,295
And then I also have my own
practice at my own home.

858
00:42:23,715 --> 00:42:25,995
And then we also do groups twice a month.

859
00:42:26,355 --> 00:42:26,715
Yep.

860
00:42:26,805 --> 00:42:27,645
Lovely home.

861
00:42:27,675 --> 00:42:29,115
That's where we did the group session.

862
00:42:29,145 --> 00:42:33,225
I know, because, uh, when I got
there and did the session and then

863
00:42:33,225 --> 00:42:34,635
afterwards came up out of the.

864
00:42:35,025 --> 00:42:36,165
Basement and was like.

865
00:42:36,569 --> 00:42:37,890
We were here the whole time.

866
00:42:39,029 --> 00:42:40,410
It felt like we were here for years.

867
00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:44,939
We, we were just here,
completely forgot where we were.

868
00:42:44,939 --> 00:42:47,189
I forgot anybody was in the room with me.

869
00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:49,350
So clearly had a great experience.

870
00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:50,819
Lovely.

871
00:42:51,299 --> 00:42:51,479
Good.

872
00:42:51,479 --> 00:42:51,959
Yes.

873
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,229
Um, so thank you so much for coming
and talking and having this discussion.

874
00:42:55,529 --> 00:42:59,910
Um, even more so than being here on
practically magic, but just providing

875
00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:03,450
us with the opportunity to experience
this and to have that group session for

876
00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:06,060
us all to, um, to get, to have that.

877
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,070
And, uh, yeah, we'll be hearing
more from them very soon, so.

878
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:12,420
Okay.

879
00:43:12,425 --> 00:43:12,755
Thanks.

880
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,320
Thanks, thanks.

881
00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:14,880
Thanks for having us.

882
00:43:15,390 --> 00:43:16,830
And we're back.

883
00:43:16,830 --> 00:43:20,280
What a great conversation that we had.

884
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,660
There's still so much more that we talked
about off camera that we really didn't

885
00:43:24,660 --> 00:43:26,790
even have time to cut, to touch base with.

886
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:31,320
So, um, there's a couple of
things that I want to just talk

887
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,450
about with my experience and.

888
00:43:34,154 --> 00:43:39,345
When having a guided Ketamine session,
what it felt like to me, and as Dr.

889
00:43:39,345 --> 00:43:42,825
Uncover said, it's almost impossible
to explain or to let people really

890
00:43:42,825 --> 00:43:46,995
fully understand what it means to have
a psychedelic experience or even just

891
00:43:46,995 --> 00:43:48,884
a ketamine psychedelic experience.

892
00:43:49,754 --> 00:43:50,475
Excuse me.

893
00:43:50,745 --> 00:43:51,524
Nose is itchy.

894
00:43:51,585 --> 00:43:53,355
It's allergy season.

895
00:43:54,044 --> 00:43:59,774
But I want to just kind of reiterate again
the feelings that I had in going through

896
00:43:59,774 --> 00:44:03,404
that about an hour after the session.

897
00:44:04,455 --> 00:44:08,445
And they give you plenty of time
to integrate and to come back

898
00:44:08,445 --> 00:44:12,255
to yourself fully, which really
took me an extra amount of time.

899
00:44:12,255 --> 00:44:12,765
I feel.

900
00:44:12,795 --> 00:44:19,155
I felt like I really didn't even
recognize who I was in this body and

901
00:44:19,215 --> 00:44:22,365
had to take a minute to remember that
there were other people in the room

902
00:44:22,365 --> 00:44:24,045
that had done this experience with me.

903
00:44:24,345 --> 00:44:28,065
So I may may have been a little
further out there than, than

904
00:44:28,065 --> 00:44:29,655
some people get to have and.

905
00:44:30,435 --> 00:44:32,205
Everybody's experiences are so different.

906
00:44:32,205 --> 00:44:33,705
So who, who's to say?

907
00:44:34,635 --> 00:44:40,995
But I did have, uh, some time to discuss
things, to kind of come back to myself

908
00:44:40,995 --> 00:44:49,545
to, to feel more stable, uh, get something
to eat, and I finally felt well enough to

909
00:44:49,605 --> 00:44:51,855
move to get up, walk, go to the bathroom.

910
00:44:53,055 --> 00:44:56,565
So I had plenty of time, but
I went into the bathroom and I

911
00:44:56,565 --> 00:44:59,805
noticed my face in the mirror.

912
00:45:01,035 --> 00:45:04,604
And the feeling that I had when
seeing my face for the first time

913
00:45:04,604 --> 00:45:08,984
after the experience and after having
kind of what I call mushy brain.

914
00:45:08,984 --> 00:45:10,154
My brain was all mushy.

915
00:45:10,725 --> 00:45:15,015
I'm looking at my own self and I think
for the very first time in my entire

916
00:45:15,015 --> 00:45:20,084
life, I felt no judgment, no shame.

917
00:45:21,314 --> 00:45:26,355
And I don't think I've ever felt what
that actually feels like, just as I have

918
00:45:26,355 --> 00:45:31,605
been participating in healing work for
myself when engaging with other people

919
00:45:31,605 --> 00:45:35,084
as a facilitator, as a healer, I think
it's really important to understand

920
00:45:35,084 --> 00:45:39,615
that we are people too, and we have
the same healing work that we're doing,

921
00:45:40,785 --> 00:45:44,685
but I suffer from a lot of, uh, of.

922
00:45:45,045 --> 00:45:51,045
Different things associated with, uh, OCD
and body dysmorphia and things like that.

923
00:45:51,045 --> 00:45:54,435
So for me to look at my own body and
for the very first time in my whole

924
00:45:54,435 --> 00:45:58,845
life, I think I did not first think
of all the things that I thought were

925
00:45:59,415 --> 00:46:03,975
wrong about what I look like, you know,
pinpointing things that were like, oh,

926
00:46:03,975 --> 00:46:09,015
my hair is a bit messy, or whatever it
was, I was ab absolutely able to see

927
00:46:09,015 --> 00:46:10,725
myself for maybe the very first time.

928
00:46:11,790 --> 00:46:15,209
And one thing that other people
had expressed was their experience

929
00:46:15,209 --> 00:46:19,560
was that although we all have a
very different experience in the

930
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:24,839
psychedelic journey, there were some
themes that were very much the same.

931
00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:31,200
One is no matter what we're seeing with
the visuals or with the experiences or

932
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:37,470
with the emotions, some of, some of the
people experienced seeing themselves, um,

933
00:46:37,470 --> 00:46:42,030
at a younger age going through the traumas
they've been through or experiences,

934
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:44,100
sometimes they felt those emotions.

935
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:49,170
Um, sometimes the images were a
little scary, creepy, or like, whoa.

936
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:55,050
But we all experienced one thing together
that I think is really fascinating.

937
00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:56,790
None of us was scared.

938
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,040
It was almost like we could see
fear but be removed from it.

939
00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:09,300
And that is a lot of the healing work that
I do in a, in a regular session without

940
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:11,795
the guided ketamine to, to assist it.

941
00:47:12,810 --> 00:47:14,400
To assist the experience.

942
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,620
It's like you get to see your own traumas,
you get to see your emotions, you get to

943
00:47:19,620 --> 00:47:25,170
shift them and move them and visualize
them moving, but you also get to have a

944
00:47:25,170 --> 00:47:27,180
lot of compassion for yourself in that.

945
00:47:28,095 --> 00:47:30,195
You don't actually have to
feel any certain way about

946
00:47:30,195 --> 00:47:32,205
yourself during all of that.

947
00:47:32,985 --> 00:47:34,065
I'm a good person.

948
00:47:34,125 --> 00:47:35,205
I'm a good soul.

949
00:47:35,235 --> 00:47:37,935
I'm part of the collective
consciousness and spirit of the

950
00:47:37,935 --> 00:47:40,545
universe, but I am not a bad person.

951
00:47:40,815 --> 00:47:45,435
Even though I've experienced these things,
even though I've done these things,

952
00:47:46,035 --> 00:47:50,654
whatever it might be, I had an anchor
because it was my first time doing it.

953
00:47:51,420 --> 00:47:55,110
I, um, a lot of people who experience
it for the first time, they don't

954
00:47:55,110 --> 00:47:58,440
wanna completely leave their body,
and I already have control issues.

955
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,940
So, um, my ring that spins,
it's like a fidget spinner.

956
00:48:03,540 --> 00:48:05,430
That was something that kept anchoring me.

957
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:10,440
So during the session I would do
this and I could feel my hand, and I

958
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,340
knew it was my hand, but it also felt
like it was a million miles away.

959
00:48:14,670 --> 00:48:18,300
Like I'd left my body completely so.

960
00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:22,560
I know that the experience was really
positive for me because I was able

961
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:29,310
to, uh, to integrate or to go through
the integration process afterwards.

962
00:48:30,270 --> 00:48:36,120
And I personally feel that the integrated
processing technique that I do.

963
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:39,210
Um, Sheel also does emotional processing.

964
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:42,180
She helps you integrate afterwards.

965
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:42,960
Um.

966
00:48:43,485 --> 00:48:47,115
And the integrated processing technique
sessions that I do, I think would be

967
00:48:47,115 --> 00:48:54,345
absolutely excellent for a preparatory
pre-integration before a session and after

968
00:48:54,795 --> 00:48:57,645
I took a, took time, the day after I.

969
00:48:58,904 --> 00:49:04,214
To do, uh, a process on myself to be
able to go back to, what was it at

970
00:49:04,214 --> 00:49:07,904
age two, that I need to know, that
I need to process, that I need to

971
00:49:07,904 --> 00:49:10,395
rewrite if I'm writing my own story.

972
00:49:11,024 --> 00:49:14,895
And the ketamine that allowed me
to actually rewrite my own story.

973
00:49:14,895 --> 00:49:19,305
It allowed me to break up all of
those old core beliefs and things.

974
00:49:19,405 --> 00:49:23,695
And to say, what now do I wanna
embrace and accept into my life?

975
00:49:24,295 --> 00:49:28,105
So that's why I was very intentional
about the time I spent after the session

976
00:49:28,105 --> 00:49:30,775
and going through my day, my habits.

977
00:49:31,255 --> 00:49:36,355
Um, obviously I couldn't change absolutely
everything I don't like about myself and

978
00:49:36,355 --> 00:49:43,165
my life in the next 72 hours afterwards,
but I really did set an intention.

979
00:49:43,165 --> 00:49:45,685
I was very mindful about
what I engaged with.

980
00:49:45,745 --> 00:49:47,635
So I would go around going.

981
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:52,590
I wanna believe that the universe has
my back, that everything works for me.

982
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,570
I don't wanna believe that I'll be
abandoned or that things won't work out.

983
00:49:58,110 --> 00:50:02,640
I want to go into the next thing I do as
if everything's gonna work out for me,

984
00:50:03,150 --> 00:50:05,010
and that's how I'd like to live and think.

985
00:50:05,370 --> 00:50:10,500
And then I'm letting the, excuse
me, letting the session, letting

986
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:14,910
the ketamine mushy brain integration
period really work for me.

987
00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:19,260
So I highly recommend that,
um, as a way to shift things.

988
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,880
Maybe a little bit more quickly,
a little bit more easily for you.

989
00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:30,000
Um, if you would like more information
on being able to, perhaps if you do

990
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,020
not live locally and you want to do
a guided ketamine session from where

991
00:50:34,020 --> 00:50:38,340
you are, but you'd like to schedule
with me to do an integrated processing

992
00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:40,260
session before you do your session.

993
00:50:40,715 --> 00:50:46,205
Or leading, um, in the time after you're
doing your session, uh, or perhaps

994
00:50:46,205 --> 00:50:51,305
you are just interested in doing a lot
of this kind of work, uh, to rewrite

995
00:50:51,305 --> 00:50:56,915
your brain and to get your needs met
in new, better, more healthy ways.

996
00:50:57,455 --> 00:51:01,570
Uh, you can reach out
to me@prismhealing.com.

997
00:51:01,955 --> 00:51:03,665
You can book sessions with me online.

998
00:51:04,530 --> 00:51:08,430
On Zoom and we can work, we
can do the work together.

999
00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:13,650
Uh, I'm not in competition obviously
with any other energy healers, but if

1000
00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:17,730
you go back to my episode about how
to spot a fraud, that is one of the

1001
00:51:17,730 --> 00:51:20,520
things I feel very strongly about,
that you need to find people that

1002
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,080
are safe and that will will actually
empower you and help you and I fully.

1003
00:51:25,095 --> 00:51:30,404
Trust the healers that I work with and the
ones that I invite to be on this podcast.

1004
00:51:30,404 --> 00:51:34,575
So I'm so grateful to she for
doing the same work that I do in

1005
00:51:34,575 --> 00:51:36,435
completely different and new ways.

1006
00:51:37,004 --> 00:51:39,015
No energy healer is exactly the same.

1007
00:51:39,015 --> 00:51:40,935
That's why we're not in competition.

1008
00:51:41,595 --> 00:51:45,944
Um, she's an incredible resource
and I absolutely hail to her.

1009
00:51:45,944 --> 00:51:49,575
All things that have to do with
being a psychedelic sitter and

1010
00:51:49,575 --> 00:51:51,524
being trained with that and the.

1011
00:51:51,555 --> 00:51:54,044
16 years of experience
she has doing energy work.

1012
00:51:54,404 --> 00:52:00,495
This is definitely, um, an amazing
sacred work that we get to do

1013
00:52:00,495 --> 00:52:01,785
and we're very honored to do it.

1014
00:52:01,875 --> 00:52:07,634
So find her, as she said
in her Light Academy.

1015
00:52:07,694 --> 00:52:09,705
You can find me at Prism Healing.

1016
00:52:10,185 --> 00:52:15,075
And if you like this episode or any
of the episodes of Practically magic,

1017
00:52:15,134 --> 00:52:17,924
I'm going to ask you to please like.

1018
00:52:18,195 --> 00:52:23,655
To share, to comment if something really
sticks with you and you think that you

1019
00:52:23,655 --> 00:52:28,755
know someone in your life that could
benefit from the experiences and the,

1020
00:52:28,815 --> 00:52:33,375
um, wisdom that we're sharing here,
please share the episode with them and

1021
00:52:33,375 --> 00:52:37,125
ask them to subscribe because it helps us
make more content for you, and hopefully

1022
00:52:37,125 --> 00:52:41,025
that will better your life and help you
find real and true magic in the world.

1023
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,920
And one last thing.

1024
00:52:44,070 --> 00:52:48,510
I have a lot of really great events,
classes, and cool things coming up,

1025
00:52:48,540 --> 00:52:52,770
which is available at Prism Healing
website, but it's also available on

1026
00:52:52,770 --> 00:52:55,170
our new Practically Magic website.

1027
00:52:55,500 --> 00:53:01,020
You just have to go practically dash
Magic Magic with a CK and then click at

1028
00:53:01,020 --> 00:53:03,390
the top at the store and you will see.

1029
00:53:04,020 --> 00:53:08,399
The new events classes, some of the
classes are online so you can take

1030
00:53:08,399 --> 00:53:12,750
them through Zoom and lots of really
cool things are happening there.

1031
00:53:12,810 --> 00:53:16,560
So I'm really excited to
offer new things to you.

1032
00:53:18,689 --> 00:53:23,549
Yeah, so I think that's,
that's the gist of it.

1033
00:53:23,609 --> 00:53:25,830
I hope I've pretty much covered
everything you need to know.

1034
00:53:26,339 --> 00:53:29,490
It's time for me to get out of
here and go make my own magic.

1035
00:53:30,419 --> 00:53:32,850
I would like you to go
out there and really.

1036
00:53:33,390 --> 00:53:40,170
See yourself for who you truly are because
we are all infinitely powerful, magical

1037
00:53:40,170 --> 00:53:47,460
beings able to perform amazing miracles
on this earth in our lifetime and beyond.

1038
00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:50,160
And I know that now more than ever.

1039
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:52,410
So go make magic, witches and wizards.