Suspiria Showdown - Original vs. Reimagined

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I'm still not used to that spooky violin
and that witch laughing and all that.

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Courtney, we're back though.

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Yep.

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Awesome.

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Are you excited for this one?

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Oh yeah.

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These were new movies
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And I was pumped to toss
you these two movies.

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I can't wait to get into it, but before
we do, we got to talk about the big

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That's what we're building to, Courtney.

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Are you ready for that?

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Yeah, you can vote for
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So we're reviewing two different movies.

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Um, this week they happen to
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But not quite.

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But, I am super, super excited,
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Let's go to this episode.

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let's get to these two movies, Courtney.

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Now,

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where do you

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start on these, these movies?

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Other than, you know, I've got the
red on, you've got the green going.

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We

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Got green light.

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I love it.

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Like, we got the colors on deck.

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We're talking about Suspiria.

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1977

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Talk about horror movies.

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This is

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Now this these two right here.

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Where do we start?

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Because first of all the 1977
movie by Dario Argento was

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masterpiece.

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First of all, I will say, but it was very,

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it

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was violent.

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So people did not really take to it.

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It even sent Dario

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It sent

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him on a deep, dark path,
almost to lead to suicide.

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Like that's how bad this movie

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took a toll on, the people around him.

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It's what were your initial
thoughts on the first Suspiria?

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Well, I do remember at one

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point, and this was later in the movie

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when I was watching, we were
like, you know, probably closer to

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the end, but my dad
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through the

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living room while we're watching.

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And I said to him,

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dad, Were all the movies

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from the 70s just like super weird?

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and he just goes,

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yeah,

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and then he just walked out of the room.

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I was like, I am all caught up
in this whole like otherworldly,

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uh, you know, kind of trippy,

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colorful,

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Alice in Wonderland sort of vibe, right?

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Yes, so that color scheme
is on, it's on purpose.

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Now, Dario Argento actually filmed
Suspiria to look like an acid trip.

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That's why you see the wavy stuff.

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He uses a uh, some uh, Technicolor, a
modded technicolor, basically, that for

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your, uh, for your, your, your people out
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um,

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Basically, it made it look Distorted.

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It made things off.

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hmm.

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Mm hmm

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that paired with

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a

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Grammy Award performance from the Goblins.

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That's the soundtrack
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A band called the Goblins.

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Now that's, it's got this eerie, ethereal,
whatever kind of sound you want to say.

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But it's unsettling.

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There's

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whispers in there that
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weird stuff going on.

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They

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actually filmed that score for this
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they had the score for the movie.

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And what they did, what Dario did,
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they would blast that goblins score
while people were acting and stuff.

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So it was unsettling at all times.

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What'd you think about that music,

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I kept asking Matt,

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uh, my husband, cause he's a percussionist
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I was like, what is that sound?

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Is it like a didgeridoo or
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and these African drumming?

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I mean, it's just all kind of

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yeah, it's unsettling

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because you don't know what it is.

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It's almost like, it's not music,
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I looked up the Greek instrument,
um, a bouzouki, bouzouki, bouzouki?

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I'm not sure how you say

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that was in the, you know, some of
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It's like a kind of obscure.

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You don't hear it very often.

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Instrument.

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Now That's great knowledge right there.

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Now that's so you're saying that's
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the bazooka.

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Greek instrument.

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may have, did they invent that themselves?

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Cause I don't,

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I, I,

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I, you would think, I've
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It really is that unsettling.

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Like, it's really, it's almost
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and they

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have that wah sound to it
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the theremin, you know the theremin,
the thing that you do with your hands.

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Have you ever seen one of those?

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thunder sounds and
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that in right now.

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We'll weave some of that in underneath.

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let's get to the beginning of
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start with the 1977 version.

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Yeah.

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Susie

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Banyon.

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that's your lead character
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played by Jessica
Harper, I believe, right?

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makes a cameo in the newer one.

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does, She does.

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I love that cameo also.

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And it's very, It's
it's, it's a great one to

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to, to

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to catch.

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We'll get to that one.

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But Susie arrives in Germany.

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is stormy.

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So the the atmosphere,
the mood's already set.

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It's like, okay, this is, this
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She gets in the taxi cab.

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she gets to the academy though,

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She's,

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it's it's already
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'cause a girl comes running out.

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That's Pat.

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we find out later, It's Pat.

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from the, from the get, it's, and
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we're already kind of Looking around,
we're thinking, Oh, what's going on?

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Then the murder,

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some foreshadowing.

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They kind of stay.

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Um, I noticed they like to
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They stop on a frame and show
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it and show it several times.

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It was kind of a, you know, an
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It's like.

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It makes you question, like, why are we
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Like, why are we looking at this thing
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anything and was kind of foreshadowing
what was going to happen to Pat?

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that, what's your, what's your describing
there, that's, that's called giallo.

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There's a, this is a genre of movie
called giallo, style, it's Italian.

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I believe Dario Argento was one of
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uh, Lucio Fulci, they all do this.

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giallo style, which giallo is Italian
for yellow, that's what it means.

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So yellow is, yeah, so it was,
that was a pulp novel series from

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Giallo Mondadori in the 1920s.

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And that's what all these

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quick

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shots in these real close, you
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these crazy shots That's what it

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is.

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And it was used to kind of distort and
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also included elements of
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psychological horror movies.

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Which, this falls into
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But they

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made this.

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popular

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The 2018 film

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has some of this in there.

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It has the some of the giallo Style
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the, you know, the the, the quick shots.

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But then there's also these
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There's also these long drawn out shots.

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that are Unsettling in their own
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choppy chop chop chops And then all
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shot down the hallway for 30 seconds?

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The

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or this like little detail for an extra
long amount of time and we weren't

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sure if that was like

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just because of the, the era that
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We kept joking about it because
we're like, oh, we're going

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to look at this for a while.

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You know, one thing for 20
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We were having fun while
we were watching it.

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Now,

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let's

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talk about the murder scene.

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Right from the beginning.

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That's, this is when, this is when, uh,
Pat and her friend, they, get brutally,

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brutally murdered.

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And I do mean brutal.

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That was done on purpose to disturb.

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And it did.

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Back in the 70s, when this thing was
released in 77, that was the most

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disturbing murder scene, and to this
day, maybe one of the most disturbing

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murder scenes in a movie ever.

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He,

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it was

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pretty shocking even for
like the time period.

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I'm like, Oh, I don't know
older movies very well, but.

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Wondering how far they were
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they were going to

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you know, show blood and bodies and
cutting throats and all the things.

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But I did take note that in
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murdered, she's in the bathroom.

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The artwork on the wall is
Sky and Water by M. C. Escher.

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Which is a, it's like
a, uh, optical illusion.

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It

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looks like fish

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coming, uh, you know, a bunch of
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So it's like flight and water.

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It's a famous, um, piece of
art, but it's supposed to be

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kind of an optical illusion.

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And there was a lot of like
art deco style, 1920s style,

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um, in this movie particularly.

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So

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sucks you in.

264
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It really sucks

265
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not, yeah.

266
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the,

267
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kind of

268
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the nothing is quite what you
think it's going to be vibe is

269
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what that's

270
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telling me.

271
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I don't know if that was on purpose,
but I think everything's on purpose.

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So

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was.

274
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it definitely is on purpose.

275
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And and then also you can actually see
Dario himself in the mirror reflection

276
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as the hands that is, that is, that
is killing the, the victim here.

277
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That's on purpose too.

278
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He mentioned later on.

279
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Is it really?

280
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Well, maybe.

281
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I think it was.

282
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I think it was because

283
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it was almost like he put his
signature in an iconic scene

284
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and he knew what he was doing.

285
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I don't think he did anything by accident.

286
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So I fully believe that.

287
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We get to

288
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Susie's first day at the academy.

289
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It's

290
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It's already weird.

291
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Like it's, it's, she meets Madame
Blanc and she meets Miss Tanner

292
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and there's just strange stuff.

293
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and, then

294
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what,

295
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Somebody fainted during the rehearsal?

296
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Erie, you can

297
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Yeah, a lot of things are happening
to Susie, like she's getting nauseous

298
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and she's kind of feeling warped.

299
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She's walking down halls and it
like almost funhouse kind of vibes.

300
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Like she's, um, you know, not
walking straight and kind of

301
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bumping into walls and doesn't feel

302
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well.

303
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Yeah.

304
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I wrote down, um,

305
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because

306
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it was at the beginning and it was
the ballerina school or dance school.

307
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I wrote down, um, black swan vibes,

308
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Yes.

309
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like.

310
00:12:36,985 --> 00:12:39,625
You know, the movie
Natalie Portman, it's like

311
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kind of trippy or like things are odd and
you can't quite put your finger on why.

312
00:12:47,225 --> 00:12:49,975
And it has something to do
with the art of dance, right?

313
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Yes.

314
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Yes.

315
00:12:51,910 --> 00:12:53,830
No, that's a very good, that's
a good take right there.

316
00:12:53,830 --> 00:12:55,470
And I did get Black Swan vibes.

317
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That's a great movie.

318
00:12:56,555 --> 00:12:56,685
too.

319
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I mean, that's Oscar
winner there, I believe.

320
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So, we're only 30 minutes

321
00:13:01,745 --> 00:13:03,365
deep into the movie though, and

322
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it's,

323
00:13:06,225 --> 00:13:09,235
It's a, wei it's, it's a weird
watch up until this point.

324
00:13:09,245 --> 00:13:11,605
It's a weird watch and
you're trying to get your,

325
00:13:12,375 --> 00:13:12,835
Honestly, as a, as

326
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a viewer, as a viewer, you're
trying to get your footing.

327
00:13:15,425 --> 00:13:16,705
Like, you're trying to find out

328
00:13:17,715 --> 00:13:17,965
what,

329
00:13:17,995 --> 00:13:19,445
what the fuck am I looking at?

330
00:13:19,495 --> 00:13:21,315
Like, honestly, like, that's what it is.

331
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And, and

332
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then,

333
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it really takes you like your Susie
coming from a regular average world.

334
00:13:27,315 --> 00:13:27,455
She

335
00:13:27,455 --> 00:13:28,485
comes from the airport.

336
00:13:28,505 --> 00:13:29,565
She's in a taxi cab,

337
00:13:29,975 --> 00:13:30,425
But like,

338
00:13:30,565 --> 00:13:33,685
when she gets to the dance studio,
everything's bright colors.

339
00:13:34,195 --> 00:13:35,885
Um, like that art deco.

340
00:13:36,310 --> 00:13:39,360
But it almost feels like
everything's also a stage.

341
00:13:39,860 --> 00:13:40,790
Did you get that too?

342
00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:43,860
Like, it was on purpose made
to look like it was a set.

343
00:13:44,420 --> 00:13:46,140
Like, it wasn't real stairs.

344
00:13:46,140 --> 00:13:48,720
Wasn't real buildings.

345
00:13:48,730 --> 00:13:53,780
It was just almost felt like it
was, um, Even Pat, when she sees

346
00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:54,910
Pat running through the woods,

347
00:13:55,180 --> 00:13:56,360
it's like a strobe light.

348
00:13:57,370 --> 00:13:58,510
That was really cool.

349
00:13:58,570 --> 00:14:00,260
I liked that effect

350
00:14:00,270 --> 00:14:00,820
that they did.

351
00:14:01,815 --> 00:14:02,125
that's in

352
00:14:02,125 --> 00:14:03,125
both movies, I believe, right?

353
00:14:03,125 --> 00:14:08,853
That kind of, uh, that glow, that
almost, uh, I call it the, it was

354
00:14:08,910 --> 00:14:11,740
a, uh, the Donnie Darko, when he
had the thing coming out, it's the

355
00:14:11,853 --> 00:14:14,280
Donnie Darko Globe, but it was, uh,

356
00:14:14,425 --> 00:14:14,635
Oh,

357
00:14:14,790 --> 00:14:19,060
more of a psychedelic version
of the Donnie Darko, uh,

358
00:14:20,590 --> 00:14:22,670
theme of whatever came out
of his chest, you know?

359
00:14:22,671 --> 00:14:26,580
So, so, so Susie

360
00:14:26,730 --> 00:14:28,690
moves into Olga's apartment.

361
00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:30,180
And

362
00:14:30,180 --> 00:14:33,670
then, this is when a, this is when
weird stuff starts happening too.

363
00:14:33,970 --> 00:14:35,300
She's counting the steps.

364
00:14:35,900 --> 00:14:36,260
she's

365
00:14:36,260 --> 00:14:38,130
figuring out, wait a minute,
that doesn't go there.

366
00:14:38,130 --> 00:14:42,210
That doesn't, you know, something's weird
going on, but we still don't know what.

367
00:14:44,155 --> 00:14:44,895
Yeah.

368
00:14:44,925 --> 00:14:48,430
Well, um, there was something that

369
00:14:48,725 --> 00:14:49,525
happened

370
00:14:50,925 --> 00:14:52,255
before she goes,

371
00:14:54,385 --> 00:14:54,535
Oh,

372
00:14:54,535 --> 00:14:56,115
I'm trying to remember what it was.

373
00:14:57,795 --> 00:15:02,605
Um, Oh, the, the conversation between
the dancers when she's borrowing shoes

374
00:15:03,275 --> 00:15:05,155
and there was this little conversation.

375
00:15:05,605 --> 00:15:08,925
So when I found out later
that this was written.

376
00:15:09,315 --> 00:15:11,355
Um, about a boarding school.

377
00:15:11,365 --> 00:15:13,805
Like the original, the story
that it was taken from was a

378
00:15:13,825 --> 00:15:15,285
boarding school with young girls.

379
00:15:16,145 --> 00:15:21,105
And, um, later when I found that
out, I was like, Oh, now I get why

380
00:15:21,135 --> 00:15:22,545
the script was written that way.

381
00:15:22,545 --> 00:15:26,425
Because there was this moment where
these, um, dancers were teasing each

382
00:15:26,425 --> 00:15:32,015
other and she's like, Oh, your name
is S like a snake, you're Susie and

383
00:15:32,015 --> 00:15:34,985
you're Sarah, and you're like a snake.

384
00:15:35,035 --> 00:15:37,115
And then the girls are
hissing at each other.

385
00:15:37,725 --> 00:15:39,590
And it's Really weird.

386
00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:41,740
Like, we're all

387
00:15:41,790 --> 00:15:43,590
kind of watching this, like, what?

388
00:15:44,050 --> 00:15:44,810
This is weird.

389
00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,460
And Susie's watching
it, like, this is weird.

390
00:15:47,940 --> 00:15:51,770
And, and it turns out that that was
supposed to be like little girls.

391
00:15:52,070 --> 00:15:54,530
Like, that's why it seems so juvenile.

392
00:15:54,530 --> 00:15:58,490
It was little girls talking instead of
like grown women, you know, the dancers.

393
00:15:59,190 --> 00:16:01,630
But I thought it was really important
because I was like, there's already

394
00:16:01,630 --> 00:16:04,880
this weird vibe going on where
you're like, why are grown women

395
00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,010
talking to each other this way?

396
00:16:07,090 --> 00:16:07,600
No.

397
00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:09,840
but you're definitely
on to something there.

398
00:16:09,860 --> 00:16:11,150
because it's absolutely true.

399
00:16:11,151 --> 00:16:15,530
Salvatore, Argento, that's Dario's father.

400
00:16:17,130 --> 00:16:21,190
He's the one that axed down and said,
nope, you cannot use young girls

401
00:16:21,610 --> 00:16:23,180
because it was written for young girls.

402
00:16:24,090 --> 00:16:25,840
So they had a cast hire.

403
00:16:25,850 --> 00:16:27,780
They couldn't, do this with young girls.

404
00:16:27,810 --> 00:16:28,520
because of how violent.

405
00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:28,670
it was.

406
00:16:28,850 --> 00:16:29,920
Could you imagine this movie?

407
00:16:29,921 --> 00:16:29,935
Probably.

408
00:16:30,545 --> 00:16:30,985
I know.

409
00:16:30,985 --> 00:16:34,485
like, 12 year old girls in
there instead of dancing.

410
00:16:34,535 --> 00:16:35,235
Like, that'd have been,

411
00:16:35,575 --> 00:16:36,255
Oh my God.

412
00:16:36,255 --> 00:16:37,875
Like, they'd have had to
put these guys in jail.

413
00:16:37,875 --> 00:16:41,305
Salvatore and, and um, Dario
would have had to go in jail.

414
00:16:42,195 --> 00:16:46,395
The Argento family, you got Salvatore,
you got Dario, you got Mike Argento

415
00:16:46,395 --> 00:16:48,125
out in Toluca Lake doing his thing.

416
00:16:49,005 --> 00:16:51,755
That's, that's a plug for my, for a
buddy of mine I used to work with.

417
00:16:51,795 --> 00:16:52,995
His last name was Argento.

418
00:16:53,545 --> 00:16:54,355
Is Argento.

419
00:16:54,355 --> 00:16:54,895
He's still around.

420
00:16:55,975 --> 00:16:57,545
Now, back

421
00:16:57,545 --> 00:16:58,875
to, back to this though.

422
00:17:00,005 --> 00:17:00,365
They

423
00:17:00,375 --> 00:17:05,925
did have to cast older, but
Dario did not rewrite the script.

424
00:17:06,405 --> 00:17:08,545
So that's why the dialogue is

425
00:17:08,545 --> 00:17:09,405
childish.

426
00:17:10,645 --> 00:17:13,795
It even goes a little bit further
because if you, if you really pay

427
00:17:13,795 --> 00:17:17,835
attention, the doorknobs on all
the doors, they're, they're at a

428
00:17:17,835 --> 00:17:19,885
height that they have to reach up.

429
00:17:20,255 --> 00:17:26,305
So it's almost, it gives these girls this
childlike features when they're of age.

430
00:17:26,315 --> 00:17:28,055
So it's this it's a weird.

431
00:17:28,465 --> 00:17:33,460
It's a weird line that they, they kind of
walked there, uh, but yeah, Yeah, that's,

432
00:17:33,470 --> 00:17:37,940
that's a great, great, great, great find.

433
00:17:38,170 --> 00:17:38,750
Look at you, Courtney.

434
00:17:38,850 --> 00:17:39,750
Look at you find it.

435
00:17:40,955 --> 00:17:41,475
Well, I did

436
00:17:41,525 --> 00:17:43,235
think the conversation was already odd.

437
00:17:43,235 --> 00:17:48,525
And so later I was like, Oh, when you
think about it as little girls saying

438
00:17:48,525 --> 00:17:49,865
this to each other, that makes sense.

439
00:17:49,965 --> 00:17:50,755
But grown women

440
00:17:50,765 --> 00:17:51,215
being like,

441
00:17:51,245 --> 00:17:52,435
you're a snake.

442
00:17:52,485 --> 00:17:55,935
Your name starts with S. I'm like, okay.

443
00:17:56,015 --> 00:17:57,085
Um, I guess

444
00:17:58,500 --> 00:17:59,080
that's mean.

445
00:17:59,505 --> 00:18:00,515
weird, but all right.

446
00:18:02,830 --> 00:18:03,450
So what's next?

447
00:18:04,460 --> 00:18:06,200
You got, uh, oh, oh my god.

448
00:18:06,210 --> 00:18:09,190
Now, now you got the, you got
a disgusting scene in here too.

449
00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,140
The maggots falling from the ceiling.

450
00:18:12,540 --> 00:18:13,120
Like, that's,

451
00:18:14,975 --> 00:18:17,635
that's enough right there to
send me running from the theater.

452
00:18:17,755 --> 00:18:18,735
That's enough right there.

453
00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:19,770
yeah.

454
00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:22,660
I think this, this, this was disgusting.

455
00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:28,285
This was, this was, you know, not
something that you want to see.

456
00:18:28,355 --> 00:18:31,285
Yeah, and it was honestly, it was
people, it was, uh, some of the

457
00:18:31,285 --> 00:18:37,175
cast, um, the crew sprinkling rice
down on, onto the girls, uh, acting.

458
00:18:37,175 --> 00:18:38,435
But still, it just

459
00:18:39,495 --> 00:18:39,905
it makes your

460
00:18:40,035 --> 00:18:44,255
they do close up shots and when you
find the food in the attic that's gone

461
00:18:44,255 --> 00:18:46,355
bad and it's just covered in maggots.

462
00:18:46,935 --> 00:18:51,115
It's a really, you know, graphic
scene like it's, um, it may not be

463
00:18:51,115 --> 00:18:55,575
blood and gore yet, but it was like
enough to make me cringe and like,

464
00:18:56,965 --> 00:19:01,045
have to check myself to make sure
I didn't have bugs crawling on me.

465
00:19:01,705 --> 00:19:02,035
oh,

466
00:19:02,045 --> 00:19:02,395
yeah.

467
00:19:02,395 --> 00:19:05,265
Now, now, now let's talk about

468
00:19:07,325 --> 00:19:07,525
the

469
00:19:07,525 --> 00:19:09,355
men that we see.

470
00:19:10,855 --> 00:19:13,445
Now you have You have Daniel.

471
00:19:14,035 --> 00:19:16,045
We haven't even talked about
these, these, these characters yet.

472
00:19:16,055 --> 00:19:16,920
You got Daniel, Daniel.

473
00:19:17,410 --> 00:19:17,930
Mm hmm.

474
00:19:18,540 --> 00:19:18,860
He's the

475
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:20,200
what, the, blind piano player?

476
00:19:20,980 --> 00:19:21,370
Yep.

477
00:19:21,740 --> 00:19:24,270
Um, and then you have, what's
the other guy's name there?

478
00:19:24,271 --> 00:19:25,660
The, the, the butler

479
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,040
guy, I guess.

480
00:19:27,041 --> 00:19:28,540
Uh,

481
00:19:28,850 --> 00:19:29,990
Yeah.

482
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:37,980
he was, honestly, I know he, was
a local person that Dario found

483
00:19:38,990 --> 00:19:39,470
and

484
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:40,590
loved him.

485
00:19:41,290 --> 00:19:42,130
So he put him in a movie.

486
00:19:42,810 --> 00:19:45,700
And so that was, that was the
other, the other guy that was, uh.

487
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:47,190
Yeah.

488
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,260
The, I guess a butler?

489
00:19:49,260 --> 00:19:50,460
I don't know what he was, but.

490
00:19:50,620 --> 00:19:50,870
Yeah.

491
00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:58,848
He's kind of got Igor going on like
the, the kind of, I don't know, um,

492
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,430
assistant who's just a little creepy
and a little bit, you know, not,

493
00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:05,240
not very talkative

494
00:20:05,555 --> 00:20:06,235
No, not at all.

495
00:20:06,290 --> 00:20:06,400
of,

496
00:20:07,825 --> 00:20:09,565
I don't think he says, I
don't think he says anything.

497
00:20:09,565 --> 00:20:11,835
So, but, but, uh, but Daniel though.

498
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:13,580
yeah.

499
00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:14,400
Yeah.

500
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,170
He has his German shepherd, which I
laughed and I wrote down in my notes.

501
00:20:18,170 --> 00:20:19,780
I'm like, so this is in Germany.

502
00:20:19,780 --> 00:20:21,340
We have to have a German shepherd.

503
00:20:21,980 --> 00:20:25,360
And that caused me to look up what is
the most common dog breed in Germany.

504
00:20:25,845 --> 00:20:27,295
And it's actually Chihuahua.

505
00:20:27,565 --> 00:20:30,435
So little fun fact for you about Germany.

506
00:20:31,305 --> 00:20:31,385
I

507
00:20:31,545 --> 00:20:32,105
love that.

508
00:20:32,105 --> 00:20:32,425
Now we

509
00:20:32,425 --> 00:20:33,815
need, yeah, so, so,

510
00:20:35,515 --> 00:20:35,645
in

511
00:20:35,645 --> 00:20:36,455
Germany, huh?

512
00:20:36,805 --> 00:20:40,985
Yeah, not German shepherds, but I
thought, isn't that a little cliche?

513
00:20:40,985 --> 00:20:45,275
Like we have this, uh, you
know, this guy has a, uh, seeing

514
00:20:45,275 --> 00:20:47,055
eye dog, but it's a German

515
00:20:47,055 --> 00:20:47,515
Shepherd.

516
00:20:49,835 --> 00:20:52,015
It, it becomes important though.

517
00:20:52,455 --> 00:20:52,895
It's all right.

518
00:20:52,975 --> 00:20:57,185
yeah, he's walking this dog, uh,
uh, this is after he gets cast

519
00:20:57,185 --> 00:20:59,225
out of the dance studio now.

520
00:20:59,235 --> 00:20:59,985
Let's go to that part.

521
00:21:00,745 --> 00:21:06,025
Uh, because they cast him, or
actually, yeah, what did he, he

522
00:21:06,025 --> 00:21:07,665
gets mad and then he, and he leaves.

523
00:21:07,665 --> 00:21:07,725
I don't know.

524
00:21:08,095 --> 00:21:09,025
How did this even go down?

525
00:21:09,025 --> 00:21:12,195
Because I don't even remember
this because of what happens

526
00:21:12,195 --> 00:21:12,855
next.

527
00:21:14,195 --> 00:21:14,675
Yeah.

528
00:21:14,715 --> 00:21:16,825
Well, was there something
between, I think I

529
00:21:17,145 --> 00:21:17,565
missed it.

530
00:21:17,585 --> 00:21:20,175
I think I must've like stepped out
of the room or something for a second

531
00:21:20,235 --> 00:21:24,295
because, uh, Matt, my husband was
watching it with me and he said the dog

532
00:21:24,305 --> 00:21:28,425
did something to the boy, the little
boy and that's, they got mad at him

533
00:21:28,425 --> 00:21:30,025
and they kicked him out or something.

534
00:21:30,805 --> 00:21:31,115
See, I

535
00:21:31,115 --> 00:21:31,295
don't

536
00:21:31,335 --> 00:21:32,915
to watch it a third time to find out.

537
00:21:33,395 --> 00:21:33,715
right?

538
00:21:34,075 --> 00:21:36,405
Now I can't remember what
happened right there either, but

539
00:21:38,155 --> 00:21:39,415
when he's walking his dog

540
00:21:41,495 --> 00:21:41,685
at

541
00:21:41,685 --> 00:21:43,305
night, it's

542
00:21:43,305 --> 00:21:45,855
just, you know, something's
about to happen.

543
00:21:47,555 --> 00:21:47,835
Yeah.

544
00:21:47,835 --> 00:21:52,285
And they keep doing that closeup
of the building, like those shots

545
00:21:52,285 --> 00:21:54,105
that feel like what's going on.

546
00:21:54,115 --> 00:21:57,995
They are showing these, these buildings
around him and the statues in the

547
00:21:57,996 --> 00:21:59,700
buildings, like for a long time.

548
00:21:59,980 --> 00:22:00,510
Like,

549
00:22:00,830 --> 00:22:03,150
not quick shots, but like, long

550
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:03,920
shots.

551
00:22:05,195 --> 00:22:05,945
You're just waiting.

552
00:22:06,035 --> 00:22:08,775
You're waiting and the
anticipation is growing and

553
00:22:09,910 --> 00:22:10,590
It's,

554
00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:13,580
you know where he is?

555
00:22:13,630 --> 00:22:16,655
He's in Konigsplatz, which is in Germany.

556
00:22:16,780 --> 00:22:23,120
Now, that is a historical place
because that's where Hitler

557
00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:24,490
and the

558
00:22:24,490 --> 00:22:24,790
Nazis

559
00:22:24,970 --> 00:22:25,900
Ah, okay.

560
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,840
Hitler had some of his most hate.

561
00:22:28,550 --> 00:22:30,520
Most, most, most.

562
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:32,200
hate, hated

563
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,400
words coming out of his mouth.

564
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:34,110
Most hatred

565
00:22:35,140 --> 00:22:35,390
is

566
00:22:35,420 --> 00:22:36,940
in that very spot.

567
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:38,970
So sure, there's there's some

568
00:22:38,970 --> 00:22:40,690
uh, there's

569
00:22:40,690 --> 00:22:45,675
some there's some undertones here from
for, for uh, from Dario and whatever

570
00:22:45,735 --> 00:22:48,985
about fascism and all that, but this

571
00:22:49,030 --> 00:22:49,340
Yeah,

572
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,130
it's real subtle though,
not like the, the newer

573
00:22:53,970 --> 00:22:53,980
2018

574
00:22:54,140 --> 00:23:00,280
one, which really directly included
historical things like the Holocaust and

575
00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:04,900
the Berlin Wall and the war and things
going like, they brought it right into

576
00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:09,990
the movie, very like, in your face,
but I think it was like a subtle nod.

577
00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:13,400
It wasn't like a main part of the
movie, but they, you know, They

578
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,970
must have like, we want to put that
in and have that be recognizable.

579
00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:18,400
Right.

580
00:23:18,945 --> 00:23:22,185
oh absolutely and it was
like, that's It's menacing.

581
00:23:22,185 --> 00:23:24,925
And at that time it was even
more fresh in people's minds.

582
00:23:24,995 --> 00:23:29,845
So when you saw that, like, you
knew you're like, Oh, that's, yeah.

583
00:23:29,845 --> 00:23:34,875
that's some, some, evil some, some,
evil shit went on right there.

584
00:23:34,875 --> 00:23:35,445
You know, some

585
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:36,900
Yeah.

586
00:23:37,415 --> 00:23:38,035
words

587
00:23:38,335 --> 00:23:43,905
spewed full of hate came from there,
you know, like it was not A And yeah,

588
00:23:43,905 --> 00:23:45,745
Daniel meets his demise right here.

589
00:23:45,745 --> 00:23:46,575
He's, he's done.

590
00:23:46,625 --> 00:23:47,075
He gets,

591
00:23:48,875 --> 00:23:49,055
gets

592
00:23:49,055 --> 00:23:49,475
done in.

593
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:50,910
Yeah.

594
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,600
Really, really nice

595
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:54,400
and graphic too.

596
00:23:54,420 --> 00:23:57,110
They don't show the body,
but when they show the dog

597
00:23:57,140 --> 00:23:59,020
eating, it's pretty, I'm like,

598
00:23:59,780 --> 00:24:03,230
like your imagination fill in the
blanks, you know, what's going on there.

599
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:03,320
You're

600
00:24:03,410 --> 00:24:03,570
like,

601
00:24:04,465 --> 00:24:05,605
just brutal, brutal.

602
00:24:05,615 --> 00:24:06,495
Once again.

603
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,105
And,

604
00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:10,440
good thing they didn't have a
chihuahua because they needed the

605
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,590
German shepherd for the scene.

606
00:24:11,670 --> 00:24:12,040
right?

607
00:24:12,415 --> 00:24:13,305
could you imagine a koala

608
00:24:13,425 --> 00:24:14,375
Eating Daniel instead.

609
00:24:14,375 --> 00:24:15,155
That'd have been, that'd have been.

610
00:24:15,725 --> 00:24:16,345
it'd have been a long

611
00:24:16,445 --> 00:24:16,600
scene.

612
00:24:16,965 --> 00:24:17,900
It'd have been a longer scene.

613
00:24:17,985 --> 00:24:18,815
That'd have been yeah.

614
00:24:20,555 --> 00:24:21,075
So,

615
00:24:22,925 --> 00:24:23,145
we're

616
00:24:23,145 --> 00:24:26,435
starting to, uh, uh, at the
studio, at the dance studio.

617
00:24:26,455 --> 00:24:27,835
We're, Susie,

618
00:24:27,845 --> 00:24:30,295
Sarah, they're starting to
investigate all the secrets.

619
00:24:30,295 --> 00:24:31,605
They're starting to figure out stuff.

620
00:24:31,606 --> 00:24:31,625
Okay.

621
00:24:33,455 --> 00:24:33,935
Sarah.

622
00:24:34,615 --> 00:24:35,695
Sarah meets her demise.

623
00:24:35,705 --> 00:24:36,455
Like, it's,

624
00:24:36,715 --> 00:24:39,228
there's a lot, there's a high,
you know, there's a high body

625
00:24:39,275 --> 00:24:40,745
count for a a movie here.

626
00:24:41,205 --> 00:24:41,735
Uh.

627
00:24:42,255 --> 00:24:45,775
Not sure how many, but there's
quite a few that, that drop.

628
00:24:47,245 --> 00:24:47,495
on

629
00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:48,690
Yeah, I mean, definitely

630
00:24:48,690 --> 00:24:52,740
would be noticeable when you're thinking
about like, okay, Pat runs from this

631
00:24:52,740 --> 00:24:56,510
dance studio, she's dead, and they're
pretty open about it, they're like,

632
00:24:56,510 --> 00:25:01,920
yep, Pat died, the authorities are
involved, super sad, and then they're

633
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,700
like, oh, and that guy, the blind guy,
you know, uh, the piano player, he died.

634
00:25:07,170 --> 00:25:07,940
Super sad.

635
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:10,510
Like, they know what's going
on, so they're telling that.

636
00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:13,250
And like, you would think if you
were one of the students, a new

637
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:16,290
student, you'd be like, uh, that's
kind of a lot of people died.

638
00:25:17,415 --> 00:25:17,835
Right?

639
00:25:18,435 --> 00:25:18,765
Like,

640
00:25:19,675 --> 00:25:19,945
it's a

641
00:25:19,945 --> 00:25:21,665
pretty good sign that, um,

642
00:25:22,365 --> 00:25:22,685
yeah,

643
00:25:22,685 --> 00:25:25,575
we, we should probably
steer clear of this place.

644
00:25:26,115 --> 00:25:26,445
that

645
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:27,730
Sum things up.

646
00:25:29,045 --> 00:25:29,845
It could happen to me.

647
00:25:30,625 --> 00:25:31,645
Like, that's, That would be my thought.

648
00:25:31,645 --> 00:25:34,995
It's like, hey, uh, yeah, why are
people disappearing around here?

649
00:25:36,930 --> 00:25:37,540
Yeah.

650
00:25:37,660 --> 00:25:42,500
And the, uh, Sarah's death was very
interesting because they said that

651
00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:47,310
that was the one, um, in, in the
facts about the movie that she was

652
00:25:47,310 --> 00:25:48,930
actually hurt doing that scene.

653
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,530
They only did it in one take,
but I don't think anyone realized

654
00:25:52,530 --> 00:25:54,930
how hard it would be on her.

655
00:25:55,445 --> 00:25:59,335
Or how much it would hurt to, uh,
jump into a room full of wires.

656
00:25:59,815 --> 00:26:00,035
yeah,

657
00:26:00,035 --> 00:26:00,355
right?

658
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,390
Sounds like a great idea to me, but no.

659
00:26:04,505 --> 00:26:07,655
Yeah, they took the barb out of
it, so it wasn't barbed wire.

660
00:26:08,050 --> 00:26:09,050
She still got poked though.

661
00:26:09,790 --> 00:26:09,880
She

662
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:10,330
was still getting

663
00:26:10,330 --> 00:26:11,660
poked by something.

664
00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:13,660
So yeah, that's a,
that's a, that's a great

665
00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:18,770
take away from that because she went
through the pain for our pleasure.

666
00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:20,210
You know, like that's what it was.

667
00:26:22,125 --> 00:26:26,955
Our favorite part of that scene,
uh, was the, um, picking the lock.

668
00:26:27,490 --> 00:26:27,600
Oh

669
00:26:27,815 --> 00:26:28,335
Um,

670
00:26:28,645 --> 00:26:28,885
She's

671
00:26:28,885 --> 00:26:31,935
waiting in the room, and she's trapped,
and she doesn't know what to do,

672
00:26:31,935 --> 00:26:35,305
and she's she sees the window, she's
gonna climb, like, up some boxes.

673
00:26:35,725 --> 00:26:37,505
But this whole scene takes a while.

674
00:26:37,545 --> 00:26:42,805
Like, she's in this room, and it
keeps cutting to the the lock, and

675
00:26:42,805 --> 00:26:45,755
it's just one of those locks that
all you'd have to do is push it up.

676
00:26:46,315 --> 00:26:51,925
And the person picking the lock is, has
like a knife and is trying to pick the

677
00:26:51,925 --> 00:26:55,255
lock and it's just like, oh, not quite.

678
00:26:55,775 --> 00:26:56,545
Oh, oh, oops.

679
00:26:56,793 --> 00:26:58,115
I, oh, not quite.

680
00:26:58,205 --> 00:27:00,555
Oh, and I wrote down what Matt said.

681
00:27:00,555 --> 00:27:03,265
He's like, uh, this limp
dick trying to pick the lock

682
00:27:03,265 --> 00:27:03,575
here.

683
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,160
That's, that's exactly,

684
00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:09,170
that's the description
you can have right there.

685
00:27:09,170 --> 00:27:10,890
That's absolutely it.

686
00:27:10,910 --> 00:27:10,970
So,

687
00:27:12,435 --> 00:27:13,835
Like, it needs

688
00:27:13,945 --> 00:27:15,225
to build suspense.

689
00:27:15,365 --> 00:27:18,275
And so whoever it is, they
just aren't good at it.

690
00:27:18,315 --> 00:27:22,435
They're just not quite getting that quite.

691
00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:24,320
So

692
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,160
after this, after, after Sarah is chasing
and killed, then, then this is when,

693
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:29,510
this is when it all comes to light.

694
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,490
This is when we find out

695
00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:33,240
they're

696
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,080
witches, basically.

697
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,930
like these, And we're not talking about
your friendly neighborhood witches here.

698
00:27:36,930 --> 00:27:42,860
We're talking about the, the
dark, the evil, whatever, uh,

699
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,360
what would you call types of

700
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:44,660
witches?

701
00:27:44,660 --> 00:27:45,170
What are these?

702
00:27:46,140 --> 00:27:50,650
Well, they're what folklore would want,
would have you believe witches are, which

703
00:27:50,650 --> 00:27:59,560
is, they are, um, needing these human
sacrifices to power their themselves.

704
00:27:59,860 --> 00:28:03,970
You know, they, uh, the dance studio
is basically, or the dance school is

705
00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:08,410
kind of a front for them to be able to
perform these rituals and to have human

706
00:28:08,410 --> 00:28:14,715
sacrifices or human, girls to power
their youth and their rejuvenation and

707
00:28:14,715 --> 00:28:19,495
their, you know, it's the old folklore
that witches eat children, basically.

708
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:22,670
Okay.

709
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:25,600
So that, so is that
what it really is then?

710
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,400
Is that what this is a, uh,
an interpretation of that?

711
00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:33,155
Because here's the thing too,
I know that we haven't really

712
00:28:33,155 --> 00:28:35,245
gotten into the three mothers yet

713
00:28:36,315 --> 00:28:36,755
of

714
00:28:37,855 --> 00:28:38,935
what the witches really are.

715
00:28:38,935 --> 00:28:41,575
So you know, should we do that?

716
00:28:41,715 --> 00:28:43,295
Should we get into the three witches now?

717
00:28:43,870 --> 00:28:44,220
Yeah.

718
00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:45,960
And that would be like, maybe my only,

719
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:46,600
uh,

720
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,190
well, I do like to poke fun, but it would
be my only criticism of this movie in the

721
00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:58,470
1977 version is that I don't think they go
far enough in explaining that or to give

722
00:28:58,470 --> 00:29:04,650
that folklore, um, it's due diligence,
um, because you kind of miss it.

723
00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:05,880
Like you kind of gloss over it.

724
00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:11,650
And then, you know, Um, he does have this
be one of the trilogy so that the three

725
00:29:11,815 --> 00:29:14,590
mothers are represented in the movies.

726
00:29:15,290 --> 00:29:21,770
But, um, but even when she goes to talk
to the psychiatrist, um, uh, which we'll

727
00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:26,220
talk about maybe in a minute, but I,
you know, he kind of tries to relate

728
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:33,180
to her, the story, or where Madame
Marquis or the, uh, the, uh, Who is

729
00:29:33,450 --> 00:29:38,500
Mother Suspirium, where she maybe comes
from and the Tale of the Three Witches.

730
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:41,430
And I feel like it was
just kind of glossed over.

731
00:29:41,460 --> 00:29:45,070
It wasn't really made
to be at the forefront.

732
00:29:45,530 --> 00:29:47,720
And I feel like if you were just
watching this movie one time

733
00:29:47,740 --> 00:29:49,140
through, you would kind of miss it.

734
00:29:49,340 --> 00:29:52,070
Like, you wouldn't really see it as well.

735
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,070
But this was based on, um,
the story, uh, an essay.

736
00:29:57,825 --> 00:29:58,445
From Thomas

737
00:29:58,445 --> 00:30:05,065
De Quincey in the 18th century called
the Three Sorrows, which were, um,

738
00:30:05,085 --> 00:30:08,145
each one, the three mothers have their

739
00:30:09,045 --> 00:30:09,695
name.

740
00:30:10,315 --> 00:30:10,715
Right?

741
00:30:10,725 --> 00:30:12,215
I had this pulled up.

742
00:30:12,775 --> 00:30:18,525
Three Mothers, Powerful Witches, Mater
Tenenbarum, the Mother of Darkness,

743
00:30:19,185 --> 00:30:25,895
Mater Lacrimarium, the Mother of Tears,
and Mother Susperium, Mother of Sighs.

744
00:30:25,896 --> 00:30:30,135
So this is supposed to be Marcos,
or Helena Marcos is this, is

745
00:30:30,485 --> 00:30:31,115
um,

746
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,950
Leader of the witches
and this dance Academy.

747
00:30:36,390 --> 00:30:37,250
It's a, you know,

748
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:37,610
she's

749
00:30:38,410 --> 00:30:41,730
leading this coven and she's
supposed to be the mother of size.

750
00:30:43,275 --> 00:30:47,925
Now, is this So you're saying
this is not, like, based on

751
00:30:49,215 --> 00:30:49,445
some

752
00:30:49,455 --> 00:30:50,515
thousand year old

753
00:30:52,570 --> 00:30:54,770
Ancient prophecies, ancient.

754
00:30:54,780 --> 00:30:58,130
Yes, because there's, there's
3 mothers and 3 goddesses.

755
00:30:58,310 --> 00:31:04,190
In a lot of folklore mythology that
does date back to ancient Egypt, you

756
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:06,340
know, Greek mythology, things like that.

757
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:07,580
Um.

758
00:31:08,540 --> 00:31:13,930
The mother is, uh, the three goddesses
are usually the maiden, the mother and

759
00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:18,890
the crone or someone somewhat separate,
uh, representing those three parts

760
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,830
of a woman's life or the goddess, um,
different goddesses that represent.

761
00:31:25,145 --> 00:31:26,735
The Maiden, the Mother, and the Crone.

762
00:31:27,965 --> 00:31:32,915
So you see that Three Mothers
theme come up a lot in fairytale

763
00:31:32,925 --> 00:31:34,115
folklore and mythology.

764
00:31:34,575 --> 00:31:35,005
Gotcha.

765
00:31:35,025 --> 00:31:38,435
So so this is, so it's kind of
got some roots in something,

766
00:31:38,435 --> 00:31:41,125
but it's not taken directly from

767
00:31:42,705 --> 00:31:43,175
ancient

768
00:31:43,625 --> 00:31:44,615
folklore or anything like

769
00:31:44,825 --> 00:31:46,315
Yeah, it's fairly recent.

770
00:31:46,735 --> 00:31:47,035
yeah,

771
00:31:47,035 --> 00:31:47,305
so

772
00:31:47,335 --> 00:31:49,265
so, we

773
00:31:49,265 --> 00:31:49,755
mentioned it.

774
00:31:49,765 --> 00:31:50,765
There's a trilogy of these.

775
00:31:50,775 --> 00:31:53,695
So the other two mothers are
mentioned in the other two movies.

776
00:31:54,615 --> 00:31:55,545
They're not on our list.

777
00:31:55,555 --> 00:31:59,405
So we won't go too far into those unless
you, unless you've got a couple facts

778
00:31:59,405 --> 00:32:01,055
that you want to rip off about those.

779
00:32:01,055 --> 00:32:01,985
You got anything for those?

780
00:32:03,265 --> 00:32:09,425
Um, that's pretty much the gist of
it, as it was taken from that, and um,

781
00:32:10,915 --> 00:32:12,275
Inspired this movie.

782
00:32:12,885 --> 00:32:20,065
Um, and a true story about, uh, was it
the, one of the co writers of the script?

783
00:32:20,433 --> 00:32:22,785
She makes a little cameo
appearance in the movie as well.

784
00:32:23,355 --> 00:32:26,850
She had a grandmother that
went to a boarding school.

785
00:32:27,035 --> 00:32:30,235
It's a Daria Nicola Nicolotti.

786
00:32:30,236 --> 00:32:31,595
Might be something wrong.

787
00:32:32,165 --> 00:32:37,155
Yeah, she had a grandmother that went to a
boarding school and apparently there were.

788
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,880
Um, which is practicing
black magic at this boarding

789
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,440
school and it was discovered.

790
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:44,650
Now, I really question that.

791
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,130
I really question, like,
what does that mean?

792
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,850
Because if you look back that far
and someone's accused of, quote,

793
00:32:52,081 --> 00:32:55,620
unquote, black magic, and that they're
performing in a school, you're just

794
00:32:55,628 --> 00:32:59,270
like, well, what, were they just kind
of, like, doing, reading tarot cards?

795
00:33:00,115 --> 00:33:02,175
In the basement or like,
what does that mean?

796
00:33:02,195 --> 00:33:02,905
Exactly.

797
00:33:03,045 --> 00:33:06,155
What is the black magic that
they discovered they were doing?

798
00:33:07,115 --> 00:33:12,795
But anyway that inspired the story of
you know, this movie of making a dance

799
00:33:13,635 --> 00:33:19,035
School and it turns out that it's run
by witches and they need these young

800
00:33:19,045 --> 00:33:21,515
women to power and fuel their power

801
00:33:24,505 --> 00:33:24,685
At

802
00:33:24,685 --> 00:33:28,355
this point in the movie, uh, this
is when I get to the, to, to uh,

803
00:33:28,365 --> 00:33:30,745
Dr. Mandel and Professor Milius.

804
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:32,130
And

805
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:36,910
that's when you get the
background on Helena Marcos.

806
00:33:37,815 --> 00:33:38,205
Yeah.

807
00:33:38,590 --> 00:33:39,300
She's the founder of

808
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:40,610
the Academy, so.

809
00:33:41,635 --> 00:33:42,935
and we haven't seen her at all

810
00:33:43,540 --> 00:33:44,140
Exactly.

811
00:33:44,140 --> 00:33:47,530
So we find out, the info on her,
we find out that this place is a

812
00:33:47,540 --> 00:33:51,440
coven and it's got a dark history
and a connection to witchcraft.

813
00:33:51,970 --> 00:33:54,440
Like I said, not your,
not your friendly witches.

814
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,360
These are the vengeful.

815
00:33:56,590 --> 00:33:57,890
They're out, they're out to get you.

816
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,850
And this is

817
00:34:00,850 --> 00:34:02,440
when she also overhears.

818
00:34:02,955 --> 00:34:05,835
or do you want to skip over the
we're not going to skip over the,

819
00:34:05,865 --> 00:34:08,005
the, the therapist part, cause

820
00:34:09,205 --> 00:34:12,105
Well, the one thing I wrote in
my notes from that scene is,

821
00:34:12,185 --> 00:34:15,655
um, Dr. Patient Confidentiality.

822
00:34:15,905 --> 00:34:16,445
Is that a thing?

823
00:34:19,085 --> 00:34:19,475
He's

824
00:34:19,475 --> 00:34:20,615
kind of telling her everything.

825
00:34:20,615 --> 00:34:24,435
He's like, Oh, well, actually,
Sarah was a patient of mine.

826
00:34:24,745 --> 00:34:26,225
And let me tell you all of these delusions

827
00:34:27,355 --> 00:34:31,045
she had about witches and starts
just telling her everything.

828
00:34:31,045 --> 00:34:33,325
And I'm like, we don't know
Sarah's dead at this point.

829
00:34:33,418 --> 00:34:39,315
So, uh, I guess it's just
like, it moves the story along.

830
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:42,230
You kind of need it,
I guess, but I'm like,

831
00:34:42,890 --> 00:34:43,280
this is

832
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,790
a, probably a pretty big no no,
like therapists shouldn't be

833
00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:47,810
telling people what you say in your

834
00:34:48,150 --> 00:34:48,310
sessions.

835
00:34:48,625 --> 00:34:49,525
I thought the same thing.

836
00:34:49,545 --> 00:34:50,285
Can't do that.

837
00:34:50,315 --> 00:34:50,895
Like, Maybe

838
00:34:50,895 --> 00:34:52,005
it's a different, different place.

839
00:34:52,145 --> 00:34:53,595
Maybe in, uh, in, in

840
00:34:54,245 --> 00:34:55,895
Germany they didn't have
to worry about that.

841
00:34:55,895 --> 00:34:56,315
I don't know.

842
00:34:56,595 --> 00:34:57,125
Maybe you can just

843
00:34:57,260 --> 00:34:57,330
Maybe.

844
00:34:57,345 --> 00:34:57,675
anybody.

845
00:35:00,725 --> 00:35:00,985
Imagine.

846
00:35:01,045 --> 00:35:02,175
Could imagine going down the street.

847
00:35:02,175 --> 00:35:02,445
Hey,

848
00:35:03,255 --> 00:35:05,855
I heard you got hemorrhoids last
week, you know, I couldn't imagine.

849
00:35:05,856 --> 00:35:09,130
Oh my goodness.

850
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:11,320
this is important to the story.

851
00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:12,770
We need to know.

852
00:35:13,275 --> 00:35:13,755
That.

853
00:35:13,825 --> 00:35:14,315
Okay.

854
00:35:15,985 --> 00:35:19,945
So now, I think we're at the, uh,
where she finds the hidden passages.

855
00:35:20,695 --> 00:35:21,365
She hears their plan.

856
00:35:21,665 --> 00:35:21,675
hmm.

857
00:35:23,385 --> 00:35:25,345
She knows now they're witches.

858
00:35:26,555 --> 00:35:27,105
Yeah.

859
00:35:27,245 --> 00:35:27,775
Yeah.

860
00:35:28,095 --> 00:35:32,405
It's, it, we're coming to the climax,
like, she's, she confronts Helena Marcos.

861
00:35:32,415 --> 00:35:36,555
She, she confronts her and,
who, who is the head witch.

862
00:35:37,265 --> 00:35:37,925
Mm hmm.

863
00:35:38,065 --> 00:35:38,765
How does that go?

864
00:35:38,885 --> 00:35:39,695
How does that go for her?

865
00:35:40,275 --> 00:35:40,695
Yeah.

866
00:35:40,715 --> 00:35:43,455
Well, makeup is pretty good, I think.

867
00:35:43,515 --> 00:35:47,965
I mean, I had to write that down, like,
for this time period, and, you know,

868
00:35:47,965 --> 00:35:53,045
without kind of the more modern advances
and the movie making that we've had.

869
00:35:53,395 --> 00:35:57,570
Um, She's, she's pretty, uh,
she looks pretty ancient.

870
00:35:59,145 --> 00:35:59,395
Big

871
00:35:59,690 --> 00:36:00,830
Pretty old looking there.

872
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,570
Uh, and I don't know where, do
you think they were using Sarah's

873
00:36:04,590 --> 00:36:11,050
body for the ritual that she
had been chosen to be the one?

874
00:36:12,115 --> 00:36:13,645
I think, I think, I think so.

875
00:36:13,665 --> 00:36:17,935
It's not specifically stated, but
I believe, that would be my guess.

876
00:36:17,955 --> 00:36:21,115
It would be my guess it was
Sarah's body for the ritual itself.

877
00:36:21,685 --> 00:36:22,225
Uh,

878
00:36:23,535 --> 00:36:23,765
and

879
00:36:23,765 --> 00:36:28,015
then, this thing, all within like 10
minutes, like this whole thing just.

880
00:36:28,765 --> 00:36:29,935
It collapses, literally.

881
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,730
Yeah, they decide,

882
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,210
she can overhear them saying
the American girl is next.

883
00:36:34,210 --> 00:36:35,130
She's got to go.

884
00:36:35,545 --> 00:36:35,945
yeah,

885
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,230
And then she kind of backs
up into this extra room.

886
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:40,960
She sees Sarah's dead body.

887
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:42,820
She's like, oh, crap.

888
00:36:42,830 --> 00:36:43,580
There's my friend.

889
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:50,070
And then she's kind of thrust into
this secret hidden room where Helena,

890
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:55,566
uh, Marcos is, um, and the, like,
the raspy breathing voice that

891
00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:56,980
they had heard early in the movie.

892
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,830
Which we forgot to say, the backlighting,
that scene where they're all sleeping

893
00:37:01,830 --> 00:37:06,550
in the ballroom because of the maggots,
and, um, we did hear that raspy voice.

894
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,250
Now, why is she in that scene?

895
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:16,010
I'm still not sure, because she
obviously has her own hidden bedroom.

896
00:37:16,350 --> 00:37:17,960
Down in some secret area.

897
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:21,690
And when they're all sleeping in the
ballroom and they've got these sheets up

898
00:37:21,690 --> 00:37:24,980
and there's this eerie red backlighting.

899
00:37:25,470 --> 00:37:29,280
For some reason, Helena Marcos goes
and sleeps with these girls in the

900
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,020
ballroom, but you never see her.

901
00:37:32,060 --> 00:37:32,610
So you,

902
00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:35,280
you hear Sarah kind of
saying like, that's her.

903
00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:37,350
She's the head of the school.

904
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,790
And I think something is,

905
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:39,390
you know,

906
00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:43,410
you hear that snoring that she's
doing and something's off about it.

907
00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:43,720
And.

908
00:37:44,375 --> 00:37:47,495
Uh, I'm like, why is she there?

909
00:37:47,635 --> 00:37:49,095
I'm not really sure, but

910
00:37:49,505 --> 00:37:51,145
maybe she's Scoping out.

911
00:37:51,165 --> 00:37:52,555
Maybe she was looking at her.

912
00:37:52,895 --> 00:37:53,665
may be.

913
00:37:54,115 --> 00:37:54,465
I think she

914
00:37:54,465 --> 00:37:56,965
was probably because if you think
about it That was when they're

915
00:37:56,965 --> 00:37:58,025
all in the same place together.

916
00:37:58,735 --> 00:38:00,305
it's her ignorance, chance,

917
00:38:00,455 --> 00:38:01,695
and her sleep so

918
00:38:03,460 --> 00:38:04,070
It's creepy

919
00:38:04,090 --> 00:38:04,370
like that.

920
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,180
That's a So

921
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:08,870
where were we?

922
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,690
Where were we though?

923
00:38:09,730 --> 00:38:14,760
Because oh, you know what I
want to touch on is is Jessica

924
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,510
Harper herself playing Susie

925
00:38:16,845 --> 00:38:17,455
Mm hmm.

926
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:19,040
speaking

927
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:19,670
English.

928
00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:23,700
Now we had an English dub of the
entire movie, but all those actors and

929
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:25,850
actresses, they didn't speak English.

930
00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:29,500
There was multiple languages
involved on the set.

931
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:35,035
A lot of times when they'd had the
dialogue between themselves, Jessica

932
00:38:35,035 --> 00:38:38,795
Harper didn't speak German, So it
was, she was just getting talked to.

933
00:38:39,185 --> 00:38:42,375
They would, They would use their
feet to tap and give the cues of,

934
00:38:42,375 --> 00:38:43,585
alright, it's your turn to talk.

935
00:38:44,375 --> 00:38:45,045
Oh, yeah.

936
00:38:45,765 --> 00:38:46,135
Yeah.

937
00:38:46,415 --> 00:38:48,295
so on the set, uh,

938
00:38:48,855 --> 00:38:53,645
that since they did know that it
was gonna be dubbed, they didn't

939
00:38:53,645 --> 00:38:54,795
care about the audio around them.

940
00:38:54,805 --> 00:38:57,575
So it, there would be hammering going on.

941
00:38:58,005 --> 00:39:02,335
So it'd be people talking
off screen all the time.

942
00:39:02,335 --> 00:39:03,145
So you're acting, you're

943
00:39:03,145 --> 00:39:04,745
acting scenes.

944
00:39:04,985 --> 00:39:08,875
A lot of those scenes had no audio that
was used that was not dubbed later.

945
00:39:09,455 --> 00:39:10,475
That's, to me,

946
00:39:11,495 --> 00:39:11,725
that's

947
00:39:11,725 --> 00:39:13,795
a, if you watch that movie, you know that.

948
00:39:13,795 --> 00:39:16,755
And you watch the
interactions between actors.

949
00:39:18,085 --> 00:39:18,495
it's

950
00:39:18,635 --> 00:39:22,765
incredible that they figured
out, uh, the language barrier.

951
00:39:23,055 --> 00:39:24,235
because I don't know
how you've been doing.

952
00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:25,350
And that

953
00:39:25,350 --> 00:39:29,140
takes a really skilled actor to be
able to respond appropriately because,

954
00:39:29,660 --> 00:39:33,830
um, I have a little experience in
acting and I know a lot of the training

955
00:39:33,830 --> 00:39:36,150
that you do is like active listening.

956
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,860
Um, sometimes we would have our director,
um, we had our lines memorized, but

957
00:39:41,860 --> 00:39:49,300
they would have us switch parts in
rehearsal so that we had to practice

958
00:39:49,985 --> 00:39:54,165
Not just reciting our lines or our
part, but being active listening to what

959
00:39:54,165 --> 00:39:55,555
the other character is saying to you.

960
00:39:56,155 --> 00:40:00,405
So if she can't even understand What
they're saying, or they're just having

961
00:40:00,405 --> 00:40:05,345
to kind of give her a cue, like,
okay, now talk, she's got to somehow

962
00:40:05,395 --> 00:40:09,625
act like she totally understood what
this other person said to her and

963
00:40:09,625 --> 00:40:12,125
respond and react appropriately.

964
00:40:13,255 --> 00:40:14,635
That's, that's tough.

965
00:40:15,145 --> 00:40:16,255
That's that's to me,

966
00:40:16,255 --> 00:40:20,135
this was, that's an Oscar award
winning performance there then, right?

967
00:40:20,145 --> 00:40:20,845
Like that should be.

968
00:40:21,285 --> 00:40:22,425
Could be, could be.

969
00:40:23,295 --> 00:40:28,045
we're going to talk about what I think
would be Oscar award performance in the

970
00:40:28,045 --> 00:40:32,035
next movie, but let's finish this off
first because now we're at the climax.

971
00:40:33,375 --> 00:40:34,115
we

972
00:40:34,415 --> 00:40:36,165
have A battle.

973
00:40:36,985 --> 00:40:37,835
She stabs Hello.

974
00:40:38,005 --> 00:40:38,525
Marcos

975
00:40:41,545 --> 00:40:42,505
Catches on fire.

976
00:40:43,405 --> 00:40:43,815
Yeah.

977
00:40:44,635 --> 00:40:45,055
Susie

978
00:40:45,090 --> 00:40:45,560
one of those

979
00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:48,320
like, wrap it up tight and tidy,

980
00:40:48,945 --> 00:40:49,285
Yeah

981
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,010
for a second, how in the world is
she going to get out of there alive?

982
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:58,880
And how is she going to kind of maybe
defeat these witches, like, ahead of it?

983
00:40:59,140 --> 00:41:02,600
But it all happens,
like, in one fail swoop.

984
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,960
She kills the HUD witch, and it
sends the entire dance studio aflame.

985
00:41:08,110 --> 00:41:10,700
Like, all the other witches
can't live without her.

986
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,300
So.

987
00:41:12,585 --> 00:41:14,825
in about that time frame that
we talked about that was it.

988
00:41:14,885 --> 00:41:15,795
It's literally.

989
00:41:16,475 --> 00:41:21,985
Boom, the climax, the witches die, burns
up, Susie walks out, the film's over.

990
00:41:21,985 --> 00:41:23,660
You see susie walking

991
00:41:23,825 --> 00:41:26,745
away and the the dance
academy's burned up.

992
00:41:27,945 --> 00:41:30,015
If you went to the bathroom
during that time, you would be

993
00:41:30,015 --> 00:41:31,535
like, wait, what just happened?

994
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:36,800
What were your final thoughts on
this first movie without seeing

995
00:41:38,330 --> 00:41:38,880
the second one?

996
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:39,820
I almost said part two.

997
00:41:39,830 --> 00:41:40,700
It's not part two.

998
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:41,650
It's not a remake.

999
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:42,300
We'll get to that.

1000
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:48,307
But what were your final thoughts of
what you saw here in Suspiria in 1977?

1001
00:41:48,307 --> 00:41:48,720
Hmm.

1002
00:41:49,335 --> 00:41:53,015
My thoughts always go back
to the perception of witches.

1003
00:41:53,145 --> 00:41:58,815
And like, obviously a lot of folklore
and a lot of, um, descriptions of

1004
00:41:58,815 --> 00:42:03,160
witches over the last, you know,
Few centuries have been negative

1005
00:42:03,170 --> 00:42:07,010
because it's really about like, well,
they're in league with the devil.

1006
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:14,920
They are satanic, they are Dabbling
in powers that come from evil places.

1007
00:42:15,350 --> 00:42:20,320
They do harm They eat babies all of
these kinds of things that came from

1008
00:42:20,380 --> 00:42:27,435
like, you know, the campaign to you know,
Deflect people from witches, but, um,

1009
00:42:27,605 --> 00:42:32,105
but I go back to, like, when you hear
certain folklore about, for example,

1010
00:42:32,105 --> 00:42:37,555
Baba Yaga that comes from Scandinavian
folklore, uh, she has a lot of folklore

1011
00:42:37,645 --> 00:42:41,955
about her that's kind of dark and creepy
and eerie, almost Hansel and Gretel,

1012
00:42:42,315 --> 00:42:44,345
uh, eats the children kind of vibes.

1013
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:45,370
But

1014
00:42:45,370 --> 00:42:48,930
then there's stories about her where
she's the fairy godmother in the story.

1015
00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:52,880
She's the one that helps out the
heroine in the story of Vasilisa.

1016
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:54,810
Um, she still lives.

1017
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:57,600
She flies through the night
on her inner cauldron.

1018
00:42:57,980 --> 00:43:00,710
She lives in a house in
the woods on chicken legs.

1019
00:43:00,970 --> 00:43:04,240
And she has a fence made
of skeletons and bones.

1020
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:06,700
She's still got that going on.

1021
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,890
But in the story, she's
the one that helps.

1022
00:43:10,530 --> 00:43:15,450
And, um, and I have to go back to
that and remind people that, yeah,

1023
00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:19,070
there was a lot of propaganda against
witchcraft and against witches.

1024
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,020
Um, but I asked myself in this movie,
in the 1977 version, I asked myself,

1025
00:43:24,495 --> 00:43:26,802
What was the purpose of the killing?

1026
00:43:27,045 --> 00:43:29,725
Like, what was, what was the motive here?

1027
00:43:29,802 --> 00:43:31,365
Was it just to make a good story?

1028
00:43:31,385 --> 00:43:36,325
Was it just to make us go,
and have a good horror film?

1029
00:43:36,875 --> 00:43:42,849
Or, you know, was there, like,
something else, another level to

1030
00:43:42,945 --> 00:43:46,373
it that we just haven't explored
or this movie didn't touch on yet?

1031
00:43:46,495 --> 00:43:49,820
And that's why I really loved
going to the 2018 version.

1032
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:53,860
And being able to see that there
is a lot more going on here.

1033
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,690
Like, there are such other layers, it's
not just what we see on the surface.

1034
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:58,340
Right?

1035
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:01,120
I think you hit it all right there.

1036
00:44:01,130 --> 00:44:05,710
And I think, uh, Dario Argento
putting this film together.

1037
00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:07,895
Dario is the Italian Alfred Hitchcock.

1038
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,400
Way more blood and guts.

1039
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,920
Like, that's, that's what he is.

1040
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:12,850
Not as

1041
00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:13,300
subtle.

1042
00:44:14,370 --> 00:44:15,450
there's definitely

1043
00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:19,540
Intention in the story and what
he was laying out, and there's

1044
00:44:19,540 --> 00:44:23,400
definitely intention in the design
of the movie that he put together.

1045
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,470
Because those quick scenes and
those shots and the way that

1046
00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:28,660
it made you feel unsettled.

1047
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,635
The goblin soundtrack everything
was so plotted out That

1048
00:44:34,740 --> 00:44:36,530
did give you an experience.

1049
00:44:36,970 --> 00:44:39,520
That's a that movie is an
experience when you watch it.

1050
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,910
You can tell there's
something special going on.

1051
00:44:42,590 --> 00:44:44,690
Even though you don't know what
the fuck you're looking at.

1052
00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:48,150
Like you're watching it, you're
like, what am I watching?

1053
00:44:48,270 --> 00:44:48,360
Yeah.

1054
00:44:48,515 --> 00:44:49,865
Yeah.

1055
00:44:50,530 --> 00:44:51,460
Like it feels special.

1056
00:44:51,461 --> 00:44:51,914
Let's get

1057
00:44:52,050 --> 00:44:55,760
The lighting, the green and red
lighting that's unnatural, like,

1058
00:44:56,410 --> 00:45:00,840
Obviously she's not sitting there
in her bedroom in red light.

1059
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:05,560
That wouldn't be a natural light to
be in, but the movie was like, no,

1060
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:06,840
you're in a different world here.

1061
00:45:06,850 --> 00:45:08,930
We're going to make it really
feel like a different world.

1062
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:09,460
So there's going

1063
00:45:09,460 --> 00:45:09,490
to

1064
00:45:09,490 --> 00:45:14,880
be green light and there's going to be
red light and it's brazen and bright.

1065
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,770
2018 remake.

1066
00:45:20,771 --> 00:45:21,500
I've

1067
00:45:21,940 --> 00:45:22,440
my gosh.

1068
00:45:22,650 --> 00:45:23,230
So

1069
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,050
already messed up and called it a remake.

1070
00:45:25,050 --> 00:45:25,790
It's not a remake.

1071
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:26,500
I just messed up right now.

1072
00:45:27,330 --> 00:45:27,740
Yeah.

1073
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:30,560
We were discussing this before
we hit record that the director,

1074
00:45:31,390 --> 00:45:35,170
Dario said, um, when they said,
Hey, they're remaking your movie.

1075
00:45:35,740 --> 00:45:37,273
He was like, no, no, no.

1076
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:41,200
That movie was made exactly the
way it should have been made.

1077
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,360
I'm paraphrasing.

1078
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,840
This isn't a direct quote, but he
was like, Hey, I made it exactly the

1079
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,170
way this movie needed to be made.

1080
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,850
If they make it exactly
the same way, it's a copy.

1081
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:57,758
And if they don't make it the exact
same way, it's a completely new movie.

1082
00:45:58,780 --> 00:46:01,540
So he would not even call it a remake.

1083
00:46:01,541 --> 00:46:04,700
Reimagined.

1084
00:46:06,405 --> 00:46:11,685
Guadagnino, Guadagnino, I, I I hope I,
I don't know if I'm getting that right.

1085
00:46:11,685 --> 00:46:13,265
My tongue doesn't work that way sometimes.

1086
00:46:13,735 --> 00:46:15,475
But Luca he's the director of the

1087
00:46:15,475 --> 00:46:19,085
2018 version, and he even
said this is not a remake.

1088
00:46:19,215 --> 00:46:22,475
This, this was actually,
this project itself was even

1089
00:46:23,665 --> 00:46:25,765
in development before this.

1090
00:46:25,935 --> 00:46:26,423
And.

1091
00:46:27,415 --> 00:46:30,255
Scrapped basically, or put to
the side before it got picked up.

1092
00:46:30,835 --> 00:46:35,525
And he calls this thing basically
a uh, uh, uh, his interpretation.

1093
00:46:35,825 --> 00:46:36,755
A reinterpretation.

1094
00:46:36,785 --> 00:46:37,865
A re-imagining.

1095
00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:39,160
Yeah.

1096
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:39,990
And it is.

1097
00:46:40,675 --> 00:46:41,165
It is,

1098
00:46:41,445 --> 00:46:42,885
but it's also.

1099
00:46:44,335 --> 00:46:45,025
A remake!

1100
00:46:45,695 --> 00:46:46,565
It's the same movie!

1101
00:46:46,865 --> 00:46:50,645
It's the same character
names, the same basic plots.

1102
00:46:52,185 --> 00:46:57,005
It's just not a shot for shot or script.

1103
00:46:57,005 --> 00:47:01,135
It's not the same script, but I
think they did a very good job

1104
00:47:01,175 --> 00:47:10,865
having the same feeling and that's
Vibes while also updating it.

1105
00:47:14,255 --> 00:47:14,935
you, you're

1106
00:47:14,935 --> 00:47:15,425
absolutely right.

1107
00:47:15,425 --> 00:47:17,145
And there's a lot of work
that went into this movie.

1108
00:47:17,145 --> 00:47:18,825
Like, Dakota Johnson herself.

1109
00:47:20,495 --> 00:47:20,965
I'm a, I'm a

1110
00:47:20,965 --> 00:47:21,925
huge Dakota Johnson fan.

1111
00:47:22,195 --> 00:47:22,565
You know what?

1112
00:47:22,565 --> 00:47:24,615
There's two people in this
movie that I am, like,

1113
00:47:26,225 --> 00:47:27,025
huge fans

1114
00:47:27,025 --> 00:47:27,385
of.

1115
00:47:27,775 --> 00:47:29,905
We'll watch any three, Three, actually.

1116
00:47:30,035 --> 00:47:30,585
We'll get to those.

1117
00:47:31,335 --> 00:47:31,445
but.

1118
00:47:31,635 --> 00:47:31,955
yeah.

1119
00:47:32,095 --> 00:47:35,335
But right out the gate,
Pat, played by Chloe.

1120
00:47:35,605 --> 00:47:36,755
Grace, right?

1121
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:37,410
Yep.

1122
00:47:37,415 --> 00:47:40,275
From Dark Shadows, from Carrie.

1123
00:47:41,025 --> 00:47:42,275
I love her.

1124
00:47:42,285 --> 00:47:43,335
She's amazing.

1125
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:50,470
Dakota Johnson put in years of learning
dance for this role, and it shows.

1126
00:47:51,730 --> 00:47:52,790
I'll go ahead and tell you my other two.

1127
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,460
Mia Goff.

1128
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,260
I love Mia Goff.

1129
00:47:54,310 --> 00:47:55,270
I watch anything she's in.

1130
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:56,440
She plays Sarah in this.

1131
00:47:56,820 --> 00:47:58,500
And then you got Tilda Swinton.

1132
00:47:59,480 --> 00:47:59,920
Oh my god.

1133
00:48:01,565 --> 00:48:03,015
We could talk about her all day.

1134
00:48:03,315 --> 00:48:04,500
We'll get to Tilda because

1135
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:07,220
Tilda played three roles in this movie.

1136
00:48:08,745 --> 00:48:11,355
And I didn't know that until
after I'd finished watching it.

1137
00:48:11,625 --> 00:48:14,895
I was like, something is Oh, yeah.

1138
00:48:15,335 --> 00:48:18,115
I kept suspecting something
throughout the movie, yeah.

1139
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:18,650
we'll

1140
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:21,780
talk about that a little
more, but this movie,

1141
00:48:23,330 --> 00:48:23,400
I

1142
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,560
mean, right off the beginning,

1143
00:48:25,540 --> 00:48:25,750
It's

1144
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:30,930
almost like you said, it's not shot scene
for scene, but there's the same vibe.

1145
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:35,580
You go, Susie Bennion, Arriving in Berlin.

1146
00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:36,350
She's,

1147
00:48:36,645 --> 00:48:37,840
is it raining?

1148
00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:38,800
It's raining too, right?

1149
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:39,500
Yep.

1150
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:40,630
Raining.

1151
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,510
Uh, she gets to the academy.

1152
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:45,340
like it's, it's, it's, it's
the same type of stuff.

1153
00:48:45,370 --> 00:48:46,310
It's got the same feel.

1154
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:47,600
Same vibe.

1155
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:49,280
Same

1156
00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:49,740
Yeah.

1157
00:48:50,770 --> 00:48:52,700
And I think they use the mirrors too.

1158
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:55,090
I wrote down mirrors because
when she gets into the dance

1159
00:48:55,090 --> 00:48:56,880
academy, there's a big mirror.

1160
00:48:57,300 --> 00:49:02,490
Um, like everywhere you go,
there's mirrors that it shows you.

1161
00:49:03,007 --> 00:49:10,535
the reflection of her in, almost
like in, uh, uh, the secret window.

1162
00:49:11,475 --> 00:49:14,535
If you remember, you know, they
would go into the mirror and show

1163
00:49:14,535 --> 00:49:16,205
the reflection of the main character.

1164
00:49:16,225 --> 00:49:20,235
And that was kind of foreshadowing as to
like, you're not really in the real world.

1165
00:49:20,425 --> 00:49:22,435
Cause we're watching all
of this from the mirror.

1166
00:49:22,805 --> 00:49:25,545
So it gives you that vibe of like
going into a different world.

1167
00:49:25,555 --> 00:49:29,235
We're Alice in the looking glass,
some of the inspirations for this

1168
00:49:29,265 --> 00:49:31,195
movie, uh, the original movie.

1169
00:49:31,815 --> 00:49:34,725
Um, Yeah, like you're in
a different world here.

1170
00:49:34,805 --> 00:49:37,135
This isn't just regular life.

1171
00:49:37,915 --> 00:49:38,195
Nah,

1172
00:49:38,225 --> 00:49:42,475
that's like, uh, and it, we see this,
the mirrors come into play later too,

1173
00:49:42,775 --> 00:49:45,105
quite a few times, like, with, yeah, uh,

1174
00:49:46,985 --> 00:49:47,005
whew,

1175
00:49:47,585 --> 00:49:48,265
that's disturbing.

1176
00:49:48,266 --> 00:49:50,445
This is disturbing if you

1177
00:49:50,445 --> 00:49:52,435
ask me, as the original.

1178
00:49:52,485 --> 00:49:55,675
Like, it's, it's got its
own scenes that you're like

1179
00:49:56,895 --> 00:49:57,465
Yeah,

1180
00:49:57,775 --> 00:49:59,835
that's sticking with me for
a while, like you, you, you

1181
00:49:59,845 --> 00:50:00,035
Uh

1182
00:50:00,105 --> 00:50:00,255
that,

1183
00:50:01,625 --> 00:50:02,075
Yeah.

1184
00:50:02,235 --> 00:50:06,635
I mean, you update it with technology
and movie making magic that they

1185
00:50:06,645 --> 00:50:12,065
have been able to, you know, create
over the years the gap of difference.

1186
00:50:12,715 --> 00:50:16,725
I mean, in some of the 1977 scenes,
you're like, oh, they probably cut a pig.

1187
00:50:16,785 --> 00:50:20,175
Like you can kind of tell,
whatever, you know, but you're

1188
00:50:20,175 --> 00:50:21,685
imagining it and it's gruesome.

1189
00:50:21,925 --> 00:50:23,745
Nonetheless, um,

1190
00:50:24,055 --> 00:50:30,715
That's a great point because, uh, the
blood in the 1977 is bright, bright red.

1191
00:50:30,735 --> 00:50:31,285
It's, it's,

1192
00:50:31,330 --> 00:50:31,515
you're

1193
00:50:31,630 --> 00:50:33,100
It's orange.

1194
00:50:34,015 --> 00:50:36,735
It's not a blood color, so
that's a very good point

1195
00:50:36,735 --> 00:50:36,885
out.

1196
00:50:37,375 --> 00:50:37,795
It's interesting.

1197
00:50:39,575 --> 00:50:39,735
Go

1198
00:50:39,735 --> 00:50:41,345
ahead, I didn't mean
to interrupt you there.

1199
00:50:41,855 --> 00:50:42,575
Finish that point up.

1200
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:43,410
Well,

1201
00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:46,470
just that, you know, then when
we see some of the scenes, like

1202
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,500
the very first, um, uh, is Olga.

1203
00:50:51,820 --> 00:50:58,870
Um, when Olga, I, doesn't
quite die, but what happens

1204
00:50:58,870 --> 00:51:01,290
to her is, in the mirror scene

1205
00:51:01,945 --> 00:51:02,355
Yeah.

1206
00:51:02,820 --> 00:51:04,930
like, I, I, I'll be honest.

1207
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,830
I had to shut my eyes for most of it.

1208
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:11,680
I kept trying to watch it and I was
like, Oh my gosh, I cannot watch this.

1209
00:51:11,770 --> 00:51:14,650
It was too real.

1210
00:51:14,955 --> 00:51:18,025
It's, it, that was a, that
seems That seems crazy.

1211
00:51:18,105 --> 00:51:20,125
Uh, that's when

1212
00:51:21,765 --> 00:51:22,215
Dakota

1213
00:51:22,215 --> 00:51:24,295
Johnson, Susie is dancing too.

1214
00:51:24,295 --> 00:51:24,875
So it's,

1215
00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:25,675
yes.

1216
00:51:26,405 --> 00:51:27,210
transfer

1217
00:51:27,365 --> 00:51:28,845
of energy transfer of

1218
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:29,800
Yes.

1219
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:30,810
And that's

1220
00:51:30,810 --> 00:51:32,580
when you kind of get a
foreshadowing because

1221
00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:40,415
it's not really the, the dance
instructors or, um, You know, they're,

1222
00:51:40,685 --> 00:51:44,485
they talk about, uh, Marcos energy.

1223
00:51:44,635 --> 00:51:46,045
They're like, she has an energy.

1224
00:51:46,133 --> 00:51:50,395
Cause when she walks in the room,
all the dancers are like, Oh, like,

1225
00:51:50,455 --> 00:51:52,355
Ooh, what, what do you want me to do?

1226
00:51:52,365 --> 00:51:54,105
Like, I just want to impress you.

1227
00:51:54,355 --> 00:51:56,125
I'm, you know, and she has this energy.

1228
00:51:56,624 --> 00:52:02,705
Um, and she's, she's very nurturing and
sweet, but also like tough and very stern.

1229
00:52:02,715 --> 00:52:04,495
It's kind of, yeah, it's, it's.

1230
00:52:05,410 --> 00:52:06,600
Oh, it's a whole thing.

1231
00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:11,330
But it's not them that seem
to be doing this to Olga.

1232
00:52:11,710 --> 00:52:17,020
When Suzy starts her dance, she's doing
this amazing, like, movement dance.

1233
00:52:17,530 --> 00:52:21,320
And as she's moving, it's causing
Olga in a different part of the

1234
00:52:22,290 --> 00:52:26,220
school to go through this horrific
thing that she's going through.

1235
00:52:28,450 --> 00:52:30,780
But it's Susie that seems
to be causing it, right?

1236
00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:32,120
Yeah, but you don't,

1237
00:52:32,380 --> 00:52:33,560
and we see more of this later.

1238
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,530
Um, so

1239
00:52:35,460 --> 00:52:36,000
Susie

1240
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,840
even says, I think, is this
the time that she passes out?

1241
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,450
And she even says that doesn't
normally happen or something.

1242
00:52:41,460 --> 00:52:45,790
She's, she, you can tell there's something
different going on with Susie herself

1243
00:52:46,180 --> 00:52:48,060
because her energy, something's drained.

1244
00:52:48,130 --> 00:52:52,730
She's thinking, she even says it, like
I said, this doesn't normally happen.

1245
00:52:52,750 --> 00:52:56,340
There's something along those lines and
she can tell herself that it's, it's

1246
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:58,050
weird.

1247
00:52:58,270 --> 00:52:59,850
There's, there's something different here.

1248
00:53:01,780 --> 00:53:02,250
Yes.

1249
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:03,740
Yeah.

1250
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:06,530
Oh, that whole scene.

1251
00:53:06,550 --> 00:53:12,920
Well, I wanted to make a note
too, before that scene, um, the,

1252
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:18,430
you hear the, well, first of all,
I'm like, wait, wait, go back.

1253
00:53:18,670 --> 00:53:18,950
Hold

1254
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:19,210
on.

1255
00:53:19,995 --> 00:53:23,635
There's, there's a lot of really cool
conversations going on throughout

1256
00:53:23,665 --> 00:53:30,195
the movie between the witches, um,
The opening scene is Pat, but she's

1257
00:53:30,195 --> 00:53:32,015
talking to the therapist, the analyst,

1258
00:53:32,865 --> 00:53:33,815
um, the psychoanalyst,

1259
00:53:35,295 --> 00:53:39,035
And they are very upfront about it
being witches right from the very

1260
00:53:39,035 --> 00:53:39,475
beginning.

1261
00:53:40,205 --> 00:53:43,985
Where that is the hidden thing
you find out in the original.

1262
00:53:44,545 --> 00:53:46,145
You don't know what's going on.

1263
00:53:46,145 --> 00:53:47,405
You just know something is.

1264
00:53:47,405 --> 00:53:52,655
And so the reveal is this
dance school is run by witches.

1265
00:53:53,395 --> 00:53:56,625
But in this one, I noticed,
I'm like right out the gate,

1266
00:53:57,015 --> 00:54:00,105
Pat is like, they're witches.

1267
00:54:00,595 --> 00:54:00,995
Yeah,

1268
00:54:01,185 --> 00:54:02,345
And she just says it.

1269
00:54:02,645 --> 00:54:04,375
And you know, she's upfront about it.

1270
00:54:04,405 --> 00:54:05,605
And you know, they're witches.

1271
00:54:05,605 --> 00:54:08,955
Cause you see this scene where the
witches are all talking around the table.

1272
00:54:08,965 --> 00:54:09,915
They have a vote.

1273
00:54:10,485 --> 00:54:11,425
They're talking.

1274
00:54:11,815 --> 00:54:12,395
And.

1275
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:19,410
They're discussing, like, Sarah and some
of the students and they're saying like,

1276
00:54:19,420 --> 00:54:22,340
Oh, Sarah, she really loves it here.

1277
00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:24,540
She really wants to belong here.

1278
00:54:24,540 --> 00:54:26,990
We really feel like she belongs here.

1279
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,060
And I think there's like a theme
there about belonging, about coming

1280
00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:37,150
to the school and feeling like you
are welcomed here and embraced here.

1281
00:54:37,710 --> 00:54:39,675
So it's a little bit different feeling.

1282
00:54:39,975 --> 00:54:40,375
it's almost

1283
00:54:40,405 --> 00:54:41,095
cultish.

1284
00:54:41,135 --> 00:54:43,035
It's almost a cultish type feel.

1285
00:54:43,075 --> 00:54:43,455
It's,

1286
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:44,510
Yeah.

1287
00:54:44,740 --> 00:54:48,370
Kind of going back to midsummer last
week's episode we did, which was

1288
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:52,990
like, This gives the main character
the sense of like, I finally

1289
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,680
made it to the place I belong.

1290
00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:57,545
Yeah, yeah.

1291
00:54:58,115 --> 00:55:03,785
This, this, the 2018 movie,
Suspiria, is definitely,

1292
00:55:04,855 --> 00:55:05,265
multi

1293
00:55:05,265 --> 00:55:05,565
layered.

1294
00:55:05,735 --> 00:55:08,665
It's got way more layers
than the 1977 version.

1295
00:55:09,275 --> 00:55:11,185
And that, this is one of
them that's really coming.

1296
00:55:11,215 --> 00:55:13,075
this is one that's really seen right here.

1297
00:55:13,585 --> 00:55:14,155
And,

1298
00:55:15,705 --> 00:55:15,895
let's

1299
00:55:15,895 --> 00:55:21,410
get, let's get to the, to the, to
right after Olga's contortion scene.

1300
00:55:21,411 --> 00:55:28,310
Because, like you said, she's not dead
because we find out later that this

1301
00:55:28,395 --> 00:55:29,235
they need her.

1302
00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:30,500
gruesome

1303
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:36,130
display of witchcraft with some,
bone cracking, like, it never ended.

1304
00:55:36,210 --> 00:55:38,210
Like, you said, you
had to close your eyes.

1305
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:39,400
And then,

1306
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:40,550
we

1307
00:55:40,550 --> 00:55:46,080
went from that to, I believe, that
was part of Susie's first dance.

1308
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:49,910
That was her first dance
for the studio, right?

1309
00:55:50,385 --> 00:55:54,675
Yeah, she, she claimed she can,
she can dance the lead to the

1310
00:55:56,050 --> 00:55:56,490
Volk.

1311
00:55:56,491 --> 00:55:56,505
Yeah.

1312
00:55:56,975 --> 00:55:57,145
Volk.

1313
00:55:58,585 --> 00:55:58,975
I love

1314
00:55:58,975 --> 00:55:59,245
that.

1315
00:55:59,335 --> 00:56:00,615
vol. And,

1316
00:56:00,615 --> 00:56:03,915
And then we get to the vol performance,
which is the last performance of vol.

1317
00:56:06,095 --> 00:56:06,260
We,

1318
00:56:06,395 --> 00:56:08,295
I love dance so much.

1319
00:56:08,555 --> 00:56:12,645
I always wished that I could have
been a dancer, but I never, I never

1320
00:56:12,645 --> 00:56:13,025
did.

1321
00:56:13,345 --> 00:56:13,975
You still can.

1322
00:56:13,975 --> 00:56:14,545
It's not too late.

1323
00:56:14,635 --> 00:56:15,145
It's not too late.

1324
00:56:16,145 --> 00:56:17,725
I dance in my own special way.

1325
00:56:17,725 --> 00:56:20,555
It's just not very good looking, but okay.

1326
00:56:21,985 --> 00:56:25,885
Are we at the Dr. Dr.
Kliper Kliper Because

1327
00:56:27,845 --> 00:56:29,395
yeah, let's talk about him.

1328
00:56:29,405 --> 00:56:32,575
I was immediately like,
something's not quite right.

1329
00:56:32,605 --> 00:56:37,345
He's, um, maybe he's played by a
younger man, maybe, because I just

1330
00:56:37,345 --> 00:56:42,325
thought, there's just something like,
I, you could kind of just tell that

1331
00:56:42,325 --> 00:56:44,445
he was wearing makeup to be older.

1332
00:56:44,965 --> 00:56:45,235
Yep.

1333
00:56:45,775 --> 00:56:46,415
But

1334
00:56:46,595 --> 00:56:49,505
I also second guessed
that all the whole time.

1335
00:56:49,505 --> 00:56:50,735
I'm like, well, maybe not.

1336
00:56:50,755 --> 00:56:55,395
Maybe this is just an older gentleman
playing this role or whatever.

1337
00:56:57,725 --> 00:56:59,275
Yeah, I know.

1338
00:57:00,775 --> 00:57:01,235
I am

1339
00:57:01,285 --> 00:57:05,855
thrilled to be both right and wrong about

1340
00:57:06,115 --> 00:57:06,145
that.

1341
00:57:07,575 --> 00:57:07,815
So

1342
00:57:07,875 --> 00:57:11,715
they, so, so Dr. Dr.

1343
00:57:12,495 --> 00:57:13,155
Klemperer

1344
00:57:13,155 --> 00:57:14,715
is played by Lutz.

1345
00:57:15,325 --> 00:57:15,715
Eber.

1346
00:57:15,715 --> 00:57:18,005
Dorf, That's the name.

1347
00:57:19,115 --> 00:57:23,225
When the movie released, they
built this whole story about

1348
00:57:23,225 --> 00:57:25,455
this guy named Lutz Ebersdorf.

1349
00:57:27,275 --> 00:57:30,785
To the point to where they even said,
they were ever going to say that he had

1350
00:57:31,085 --> 00:57:32,935
passed away before the film came out.

1351
00:57:34,765 --> 00:57:35,725
Oh!

1352
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,410
when Tilda Swinton said,

1353
00:57:37,565 --> 00:57:39,035
Ah, that's kind of too far.

1354
00:57:39,635 --> 00:57:40,925
Let's just tell them it's me.

1355
00:57:42,075 --> 00:57:46,475
I couldn't believe it either,
that Tilda Swinton is Dr. Klemper.

1356
00:57:46,985 --> 00:57:49,215
Luca, director, Luca

1357
00:57:50,745 --> 00:57:51,025
put

1358
00:57:51,035 --> 00:57:52,215
Tilda in the because

1359
00:57:52,675 --> 00:58:01,030
it.

1360
00:58:01,445 --> 00:58:02,195
The makeup,

1361
00:58:03,505 --> 00:58:04,125
the actors on

1362
00:58:04,125 --> 00:58:05,475
the set didn't even know.

1363
00:58:06,185 --> 00:58:08,515
The only people who really
knew were the main actors.

1364
00:58:09,425 --> 00:58:12,635
Dakota and, you know, it was the main
actors who knew what was going on.

1365
00:58:13,275 --> 00:58:16,575
And to me that is an
incredible thing to pull off.

1366
00:58:16,885 --> 00:58:20,565
The last name Eberdorf is,

1367
00:58:21,565 --> 00:58:22,595
Here's the meaning for it.

1368
00:58:22,645 --> 00:58:24,165
Eber, Eber

1369
00:58:24,225 --> 00:58:24,645
Eberdorf.

1370
00:58:25,230 --> 00:58:25,550
means

1371
00:58:25,570 --> 00:58:26,840
boar or swine.

1372
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:30,670
And dwarf means town.

1373
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,230
So you've got Swinetown

1374
00:58:33,660 --> 00:58:34,150
Swinton.

1375
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:35,880
Got it.

1376
00:58:36,130 --> 00:58:37,450
It's Tilda's last name.

1377
00:58:38,910 --> 00:58:39,580
that

1378
00:58:39,730 --> 00:58:42,320
the only character We'll get to that
other character that Tilda plays.

1379
00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:44,450
This really is an Oscar performance.

1380
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:45,960
Like, how do you do this?

1381
00:58:46,620 --> 00:58:47,040
But,

1382
00:58:47,055 --> 00:58:47,335
I know.

1383
00:58:47,335 --> 00:58:50,305
And how did the makeup team
not win an Oscar for this?

1384
00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:51,060
right.

1385
00:58:51,515 --> 00:58:57,495
How did they not get nominated for, you
know, costume, makeup, um, special effects

1386
00:58:59,415 --> 00:59:00,025
category?

1387
00:59:00,340 --> 00:59:00,760
I mean,

1388
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:03,930
it's, it's

1389
00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:05,820
incredible that Tilda pulled this off.

1390
00:59:05,830 --> 00:59:06,760
Tilda can pull off anything.

1391
00:59:06,770 --> 00:59:07,630
I love Tilda movies.

1392
00:59:08,290 --> 00:59:09,810
Everything is being off the watch.

1393
00:59:11,045 --> 00:59:11,415
Yeah.

1394
00:59:12,105 --> 00:59:15,495
But in getting to his story, I like
that they did this whole backstory

1395
00:59:15,945 --> 00:59:19,255
of him, um, having been, you know,
what happened to him during the

1396
00:59:19,265 --> 00:59:24,980
Holocaust and his wife went missing
and, um, um, And they, they brought a

1397
00:59:24,980 --> 00:59:27,060
lot more into that, into this movie.

1398
00:59:27,110 --> 00:59:31,910
The, the radio was on a lot talking
about the war and the wall and Berlin

1399
00:59:31,950 --> 00:59:36,760
and, um, you know, the political kind
of upheaval that was going on at that

1400
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:37,060
time,

1401
00:59:37,165 --> 00:59:42,645
was a DAF passenger, the
flights, the hostage situation.

1402
00:59:42,645 --> 00:59:44,775
that's been Weaved in and out.

1403
00:59:44,775 --> 00:59:48,375
Like I said, this thing is multi-layered,
Like, it's got A lot of layers, a lot

1404
00:59:48,375 --> 00:59:50,055
of different storytelling going on.

1405
00:59:50,895 --> 00:59:51,555
And

1406
00:59:53,325 --> 00:59:53,685
I, I

1407
00:59:53,685 --> 00:59:57,105
think I interrupted what you were
saying there, so don't let me do that.

1408
00:59:58,910 --> 01:00:00,560
don't remember what I
was saying, but I, I,

1409
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:07,075
I was, yeah, just saying that,
uh, I, I wrote that from the

1410
01:00:07,075 --> 01:00:11,385
beginning that you kind of see that
as Pat was a political activist.

1411
01:00:11,855 --> 01:00:13,205
She was involved in all of that.

1412
01:00:13,265 --> 01:00:15,795
So you, you got all of
that into it as well.

1413
01:00:16,065 --> 01:00:21,675
And then you get all the doctors,
Dr. Kemper's, um, backstory,

1414
01:00:21,705 --> 01:00:24,555
which has a purpose as well.

1415
01:00:24,585 --> 01:00:30,395
You know, you get to the end, you find out
why that was all important, but, uh, yeah.

1416
01:00:30,435 --> 01:00:32,595
So I liked that aspect of it too.

1417
01:00:33,325 --> 01:00:33,775
That was all

1418
01:00:33,775 --> 01:00:34,125
in there.

1419
01:00:34,126 --> 01:00:34,290
Yeah.

1420
01:00:34,290 --> 01:00:34,455
Yeah.

1421
01:00:34,535 --> 01:00:37,125
We we hadn't even talked
about how they, how, um,

1422
01:00:37,935 --> 01:00:38,155
this

1423
01:00:38,155 --> 01:00:39,945
movie's broke down in by acts too.

1424
01:00:39,945 --> 01:00:42,255
It's like act one, act two, act three.

1425
01:00:43,075 --> 01:00:49,115
And on top of that, there's different
colors, variations with those graphics.

1426
01:00:50,255 --> 01:00:53,695
Subtitles themselves
have different colors.

1427
01:00:53,715 --> 01:00:57,105
It's like blue and red to
distinguish between the

1428
01:00:57,105 --> 01:00:58,565
different languages being spoken.

1429
01:00:59,115 --> 01:01:01,765
There's a lot of different stuff going
on, but it was broken down into a,

1430
01:01:02,115 --> 01:01:05,670
Different way than the 1977 version.

1431
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:07,710
But I did, I did like the axe.

1432
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:08,770
Um,

1433
01:01:10,780 --> 01:01:13,140
it's, it's like a book
on, on, on film, you know?

1434
01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:13,920
it's, it's different.

1435
01:01:15,325 --> 01:01:21,895
yeah, or a play, kind of like that
aspect again of, um, the original, kind

1436
01:01:21,895 --> 01:01:26,785
of almost behaving like a play, like
everything was set, everything looked

1437
01:01:26,805 --> 01:01:31,305
like a set, it didn't look like they
were trying to make it real, and, yeah.

1438
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,490
So it's kind of bringing
that aspect into it as well.

1439
01:01:35,490 --> 01:01:36,760
Like it's a play.

1440
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:38,000
You're just watching a play.

1441
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,500
You're watching something
that's happening in real time.

1442
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:41,470
Let me ask you about

1443
01:01:41,470 --> 01:01:43,130
that, about the set designs and anything.

1444
01:01:43,140 --> 01:01:47,610
Did you notice, because like in
Midsommar and Wicker Man, we saw symbols.

1445
01:01:47,610 --> 01:01:48,890
We saw pagan stuff.

1446
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:51,560
We saw little signs to things.

1447
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,850
Did you, did you catch any of
that in either of these movies?

1448
01:01:53,850 --> 01:01:54,520
I didn't even ask

1449
01:01:54,580 --> 01:01:57,150
Not as much as, and I
was really looking too.

1450
01:01:57,170 --> 01:02:00,470
I was like, I wonder if I'm
going to see anything that stands

1451
01:02:00,490 --> 01:02:02,580
out to me as like a connection.

1452
01:02:02,860 --> 01:02:06,810
Um, obviously in the original, there
was like the evil eye and the triangle.

1453
01:02:06,810 --> 01:02:10,830
You could see certain things that
were definitely connected to, um, you

1454
01:02:11,010 --> 01:02:12,690
know, What we consider witchcraft.

1455
01:02:12,750 --> 01:02:17,210
Um, in the end scene, when all of those
orb crystals are rolling across the floor,

1456
01:02:17,230 --> 01:02:21,400
I noticed that and I was like, well, I
don't know anybody who's practicing energy

1457
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:26,930
work or, or witchcraft that doesn't have
some crystal orbs in their workspaces.

1458
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:35,035
But, um, yeah, I noticed more about
little, um, Subtle nods, like there's

1459
01:02:35,305 --> 01:02:41,525
the blue iris that you turn to get to
the secret passages in the original,

1460
01:02:41,985 --> 01:02:46,410
and then in the newer film they
can They, um, reference one of the

1461
01:02:46,410 --> 01:02:48,540
ballrooms is called the iris ballroom.

1462
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:51,510
Ah, nice.

1463
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:51,871
See,

1464
01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:53,040
I didn't catch that.

1465
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,000
Look at you, I didn't catch that.

1466
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:54,800
I love that.

1467
01:02:55,700 --> 01:02:56,060
yeah.

1468
01:02:56,460 --> 01:02:58,870
the secret passage thing
though, that's when, now,

1469
01:02:59,480 --> 01:02:59,820
that's

1470
01:02:59,940 --> 01:03:01,140
where we are pretty much in the movie.

1471
01:03:01,140 --> 01:03:04,340
This is when Sarah gets curious.

1472
01:03:05,030 --> 01:03:05,770
Played by Mia Goff.

1473
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:07,000
I love Mia Goff.

1474
01:03:07,405 --> 01:03:07,825
Mm-Hmm.

1475
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:09,310
She's

1476
01:03:09,340 --> 01:03:13,550
investigating the, well,
she's, she thinks, she knows,

1477
01:03:13,780 --> 01:03:14,890
did I jump over anything?

1478
01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:18,210
Because this is the point when
the movie, when she's looking

1479
01:03:18,275 --> 01:03:21,680
around for Patricia, really.

1480
01:03:21,681 --> 01:03:25,250
I think she's still there,
and she starts counting.

1481
01:03:25,300 --> 01:03:28,880
This is the same, this is the same
thing that happened in the 1977 version.

1482
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,050
Where they're counting the steps, saying,
wait a minute, there's a secret hallway.

1483
01:03:32,510 --> 01:03:36,700
Mia Goff, Sarah does the same thing
here, and you see her counting the steps,

1484
01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:38,190
and then she starts counting them down.

1485
01:03:39,115 --> 01:03:41,765
This is a long anticipation

1486
01:03:42,905 --> 01:03:43,415
of

1487
01:03:43,475 --> 01:03:51,835
just uneasiness when she's walking
through these places and she,

1488
01:03:52,345 --> 01:03:55,415
she finds what she's looking for
and I don't think she wanted to.

1489
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:57,480
Yeah.

1490
01:03:57,660 --> 01:04:01,830
And, and it's interesting that she's
the one that goes to the therapist,

1491
01:04:02,315 --> 01:04:02,645
Yeah.

1492
01:04:03,170 --> 01:04:03,800
uh,

1493
01:04:04,105 --> 01:04:05,990
to, to say, something's not right.

1494
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:07,220
I don't know what I should do.

1495
01:04:07,220 --> 01:04:11,420
And he is talking to her when
in the original, it's kind of

1496
01:04:11,690 --> 01:04:15,530
Sarah she's looking for, and it's
Susie that asks the therapist.

1497
01:04:15,530 --> 01:04:17,680
So you kind of get a switch roles.

1498
01:04:18,115 --> 01:04:19,935
and how they're all participating.

1499
01:04:20,955 --> 01:04:21,345
Yeah.

1500
01:04:22,725 --> 01:04:25,305
All at the same time, you got,
you got the, uh, the coven.

1501
01:04:25,415 --> 01:04:26,775
They're out there preparing.

1502
01:04:26,795 --> 01:04:28,025
They're, they're trying to get ready.

1503
01:04:28,855 --> 01:04:29,275
What is it?

1504
01:04:29,275 --> 01:04:30,715
Basically to transfer

1505
01:04:33,175 --> 01:04:36,125
Helena Marcos soul, I guess.

1506
01:04:36,125 --> 01:04:37,555
if It was a soul into Susie.

1507
01:04:37,715 --> 01:04:38,835
Like, that's what's gonna

1508
01:04:38,835 --> 01:04:39,795
happen really, right?

1509
01:04:39,796 --> 01:04:39,995
Yeah.

1510
01:04:40,515 --> 01:04:40,965
Yeah.

1511
01:04:41,015 --> 01:04:45,065
But I, I was confused about
characters because Marcos is

1512
01:04:45,665 --> 01:04:47,335
what they were calling Helena,

1513
01:04:48,185 --> 01:04:48,445
um,

1514
01:04:48,615 --> 01:04:49,475
the younger

1515
01:04:49,775 --> 01:04:50,095
Yeah.

1516
01:04:50,395 --> 01:04:56,395
dance, you know, the head of the dance
that everyone was so infatuated with.

1517
01:04:56,935 --> 01:05:00,925
Um, but the older Marcos is the
one you don't see until the end.

1518
01:05:01,555 --> 01:05:06,575
And it's like, there's two different,
you know, and they're all voting

1519
01:05:06,575 --> 01:05:08,685
on who is going to be the leader.

1520
01:05:08,725 --> 01:05:10,702
So they vote on the older mother.

1521
01:05:12,205 --> 01:05:13,485
Do they call her Mother Marcos?

1522
01:05:13,815 --> 01:05:14,665
I think that's what they call

1523
01:05:14,665 --> 01:05:14,965
her.

1524
01:05:15,065 --> 01:05:15,745
and Helena Marcos.

1525
01:05:15,785 --> 01:05:16,645
Is that the same person?

1526
01:05:16,665 --> 01:05:17,305
No, I don't know.

1527
01:05:17,925 --> 01:05:18,235
Yeah.

1528
01:05:18,235 --> 01:05:19,425
They're different people.

1529
01:05:19,445 --> 01:05:23,145
Cause there's a portrait in there when,
when the scene you're talking about,

1530
01:05:23,145 --> 01:05:27,885
when Sarah comes in and she's overhearing
conversations in the other room and

1531
01:05:27,885 --> 01:05:29,865
she takes an artifact off the shelf.

1532
01:05:30,395 --> 01:05:33,725
And, uh, there's a portrait
there of Helena Marcos, the

1533
01:05:33,725 --> 01:05:37,040
young And the older mother, Marcos.

1534
01:05:37,515 --> 01:05:37,865
You're right.

1535
01:05:37,865 --> 01:05:38,775
And it's got the hair on

1536
01:05:38,775 --> 01:05:39,725
it and whatever that is.

1537
01:05:39,735 --> 01:05:40,215
Like, it's,

1538
01:05:40,665 --> 01:05:46,740
Yeah, so they kind of take the
character that was just one character

1539
01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:49,030
and they split it into two people.

1540
01:05:50,105 --> 01:05:50,755
Interesting.

1541
01:05:50,785 --> 01:05:52,115
I didn't, I don't think I picked up on

1542
01:05:52,115 --> 01:05:52,345
that.

1543
01:05:52,375 --> 01:05:53,065
Like, that's an

1544
01:05:53,365 --> 01:05:54,840
Yeah, because I was getting confused.

1545
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,560
I'm like, wait, they
keep calling her Marcos.

1546
01:05:57,180 --> 01:05:59,380
Is she Helena Marcos or is it?

1547
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:01,463
So then who's the mother?

1548
01:06:01,580 --> 01:06:05,250
Like it was confusing because
I was still stuck on what

1549
01:06:05,250 --> 01:06:06,260
was going on in the original.

1550
01:06:08,035 --> 01:06:08,515
Now,

1551
01:06:09,245 --> 01:06:10,965
this is only about halfway
through this movie.

1552
01:06:10,965 --> 01:06:11,235
now.

1553
01:06:12,010 --> 01:06:12,140
I

1554
01:06:12,140 --> 01:06:12,230
know.

1555
01:06:13,825 --> 01:06:16,355
This movie, it's quite a bit

1556
01:06:16,355 --> 01:06:17,475
longer than the first one.

1557
01:06:17,475 --> 01:06:19,975
So 2018 version.

1558
01:06:19,975 --> 01:06:21,525
But it never really lacks

1559
01:06:21,695 --> 01:06:22,075
to me.

1560
01:06:22,085 --> 01:06:22,735
Never really.

1561
01:06:23,890 --> 01:06:24,660
No.

1562
01:06:24,865 --> 01:06:25,595
Slow down moment.

1563
01:06:25,645 --> 01:06:26,175
You know what I mean?

1564
01:06:26,175 --> 01:06:26,875
Like it's not like.

1565
01:06:26,875 --> 01:06:27,135
it,

1566
01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:32,240
It moves and there's just a
lot of moving pieces going on.

1567
01:06:32,310 --> 01:06:33,930
What's going on with the girls?

1568
01:06:33,950 --> 01:06:39,380
What's going on with, um, the relationship
between Susie and Helena Marcos?

1569
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:44,590
There's kind of this mentorship,
taking her under her wing.

1570
01:06:45,780 --> 01:06:49,320
Um, she's obviously like spending some
special attention and time with her

1571
01:06:49,340 --> 01:06:51,290
on helping her learn the Volk dance.

1572
01:06:51,950 --> 01:06:57,530
And also we find out preparing her
for the ritual of giving up her body

1573
01:06:57,530 --> 01:07:02,205
to Mother Marcos, who's going to Yes.

1574
01:07:02,505 --> 01:07:03,085
she

1575
01:07:05,485 --> 01:07:07,285
is, she

1576
01:07:07,315 --> 01:07:08,630
accelerates very

1577
01:07:08,775 --> 01:07:09,435
fast.

1578
01:07:10,065 --> 01:07:10,825
at some of these dances

1579
01:07:10,835 --> 01:07:11,885
like you, you got the,

1580
01:07:11,895 --> 01:07:12,535
the jump

1581
01:07:12,575 --> 01:07:13,395
remember the jump she's

1582
01:07:13,395 --> 01:07:15,105
doing and it's, she,

1583
01:07:15,645 --> 01:07:18,015
She's getting the energy
from the other girls

1584
01:07:18,345 --> 01:07:19,505
You, you, it's

1585
01:07:20,195 --> 01:07:21,475
because they're collapsing

1586
01:07:21,605 --> 01:07:24,605
and they're having seizures and they're
like stuff that's going on with them.

1587
01:07:24,605 --> 01:07:24,895
Yeah.

1588
01:07:25,725 --> 01:07:29,505
so this is all part of the

1589
01:07:29,505 --> 01:07:31,945
witch's plans i'm guessing
like this is part of

1590
01:07:33,295 --> 01:07:33,675
what they

1591
01:07:33,675 --> 01:07:37,125
want to do They're they're they they know
they know that she's the one and they're

1592
01:07:37,125 --> 01:07:43,585
trying to get her as strong as possible
For the ritual did I take that right?

1593
01:07:43,605 --> 01:07:44,755
Is that what's happening here?

1594
01:07:45,135 --> 01:07:47,245
From a, from a witch's standpoint.

1595
01:07:47,995 --> 01:07:53,765
Well, like I'm, like I said, a lot
of it is like, um, it's, I mean,

1596
01:07:53,765 --> 01:07:55,195
it's meant to be a fairy tale.

1597
01:07:55,195 --> 01:07:58,815
It's meant to be fiction,
but it's taking from what.

1598
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:04,370
Most of us who do practice energy work or
witchcraft or anything you want to call

1599
01:08:04,370 --> 01:08:13,060
it, even religious fervor, but like what
we experience with that energy, they keep

1600
01:08:13,060 --> 01:08:15,870
talking about that to me is very real.

1601
01:08:16,205 --> 01:08:19,085
And I don't think there's anyone on
the planet who cannot sense and feel

1602
01:08:19,105 --> 01:08:20,885
energy in some sense, in some way.

1603
01:08:20,886 --> 01:08:23,885
I mean, you know, when you walk
into a room, when the energy

1604
01:08:23,885 --> 01:08:26,065
is high or the vibe is high.

1605
01:08:26,115 --> 01:08:29,685
I mean, uh, we talked about it with
the Fresh King Benjamin and the,

1606
01:08:29,825 --> 01:08:32,855
you know, when you get on stage and
you're a comedian, you can sense the

1607
01:08:32,855 --> 01:08:36,265
energy of the audience and you know
what you're getting back from them.

1608
01:08:36,295 --> 01:08:42,425
And, you know, that exchange of energy is
not a, make believe or fictional thing.

1609
01:08:42,885 --> 01:08:46,625
So being able to take it into a fictional
movie, in a sense, and to be like,

1610
01:08:46,655 --> 01:08:52,175
okay, so what would that look like
or be like if we had this coven of

1611
01:08:52,195 --> 01:08:57,655
witches who then could kind of harness
the power of these young dancers?

1612
01:08:59,335 --> 01:09:00,625
This is maybe what it would look like.

1613
01:09:02,265 --> 01:09:02,905
I mean,

1614
01:09:03,935 --> 01:09:05,495
definitely this is what it would

1615
01:09:05,565 --> 01:09:06,655
look like if you asked

1616
01:09:06,655 --> 01:09:09,755
me, but I'm not, you know, I
haven't been into these covens

1617
01:09:09,855 --> 01:09:10,455
before, so I'm

1618
01:09:10,455 --> 01:09:12,525
not too familiar.

1619
01:09:13,335 --> 01:09:17,615
Well, honestly, and I, I wrote down too,
what the Dr. Kemper says is that, uh,

1620
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:19,220
Oh,

1621
01:09:19,220 --> 01:09:22,040
he says something about love
and manipulation share houses.

1622
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:24,480
I wrote that down because
that's a good quote.

1623
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,330
Helena Marcos that says, when she takes
Susie aside and they're practicing

1624
01:09:31,330 --> 01:09:37,790
the jumps and stuff, and she says
poems, prayers, spells, and even the

1625
01:09:37,790 --> 01:09:41,180
dance, they're all the same, right?

1626
01:09:41,410 --> 01:09:46,360
So they're gonna do this ritual
with dance, but it's going to be no

1627
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:50,700
different than someone who writes
out a poem, or writes out a spell, or

1628
01:09:50,700 --> 01:09:52,160
puts their intention into the dance.

1629
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:55,920
emotional energy into something.

1630
01:09:57,180 --> 01:09:58,240
I think that's brilliant.

1631
01:09:58,270 --> 01:10:02,880
I mean, I, I think people who do
any kind of art anywhere, any form

1632
01:10:03,210 --> 01:10:04,730
can understand what that's like.

1633
01:10:04,780 --> 01:10:10,600
You're putting your emotional
experience into a projection that's

1634
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:11,620
going to go out into the world.

1635
01:10:12,435 --> 01:10:12,835
I love

1636
01:10:12,835 --> 01:10:13,085
that.

1637
01:10:13,165 --> 01:10:16,375
That's, that's, that's incredible.

1638
01:10:16,375 --> 01:10:22,125
And then that takes us right here to
the dance itself, the vault dance.

1639
01:10:24,945 --> 01:10:25,205
Well,

1640
01:10:25,205 --> 01:10:29,430
they, well, they lured Dr.
Klemper to the, to the academy.

1641
01:10:29,470 --> 01:10:30,950
Like, they get him in there.

1642
01:10:32,050 --> 01:10:36,120
Uh, he's gets, he witnesses some
of the, the, the evil going on.

1643
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,160
He's already, I mean, he already knows.

1644
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:43,220
He already suspects because he's talked to
Susie and Sarah at this point, I believe.

1645
01:10:44,290 --> 01:10:44,660
Correct?

1646
01:10:44,660 --> 01:10:44,930
Yeah.

1647
01:10:46,210 --> 01:10:47,400
Yeah, he's been talking to Sarah.

1648
01:10:47,420 --> 01:10:51,700
I think he was worried about her
because he took the odd object

1649
01:10:51,700 --> 01:10:54,010
that she stole, took it, and

1650
01:10:56,430 --> 01:11:00,080
yeah, she takes it and, uh,
he takes it and he's like, I

1651
01:11:00,100 --> 01:11:01,450
just want you to be careful.

1652
01:11:01,500 --> 01:11:05,060
I want you to, you know,
be careful about this.

1653
01:11:05,060 --> 01:11:06,690
And he was investigating Pat.

1654
01:11:07,390 --> 01:11:10,090
With her, like Pat was his client.

1655
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:11,730
So he's like, yeah, something's up.

1656
01:11:11,740 --> 01:11:13,660
Like the girls disappeared.

1657
01:11:14,210 --> 01:11:21,290
Um, kind of like my wife, you know, going
back to his personal story, he's invested.

1658
01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:23,040
He's emotionally invested.

1659
01:11:23,050 --> 01:11:24,800
He's like, this woman's gone missing.

1660
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,830
And now Sarah, he goes to see
the dance and Sarah's not there.

1661
01:11:28,110 --> 01:11:28,640
She's not in the.

1662
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,450
So he's got to think something's up.

1663
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:32,410
And you, you

1664
01:11:32,410 --> 01:11:34,360
see the dancers also
saying, Where's Sarah?

1665
01:11:34,450 --> 01:11:35,180
Where's Sarah?

1666
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:43,120
Well, Sarah was out in the not so
good place finding Patricia and that

1667
01:11:43,140 --> 01:11:46,550
other thing without arms and oh my

1668
01:11:46,660 --> 01:11:47,080
I know.

1669
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:48,650
I don't, I, who do you think that was?

1670
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:49,210
I don't know.

1671
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:50,180
Maybe that was Olga,

1672
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:50,840
right?

1673
01:11:51,390 --> 01:11:51,630
Oh,

1674
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:52,880
Olga in.

1675
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:56,670
And she was all distorted
and I couldn't quite tell.

1676
01:11:56,710 --> 01:11:59,620
I was like, yeah, obviously
there's some people in here.

1677
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,190
Um, and Olga comes back at the end too.

1678
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:07,510
So Olga, Pat and Sarah
play a part in the final

1679
01:12:07,810 --> 01:12:08,140
ritual.

1680
01:12:08,350 --> 01:12:08,710
Yeah.

1681
01:12:08,750 --> 01:12:12,290
And before that though, we get to see
the, this is why we've got the red on.

1682
01:12:12,300 --> 01:12:15,340
We get to see the, the extravagant

1683
01:12:16,380 --> 01:12:17,400
costumes,

1684
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:19,420
the dance of Valk.

1685
01:12:20,300 --> 01:12:22,480
Uh, I don't know if this
is, is this a real dance?

1686
01:12:22,530 --> 01:12:23,330
Was this something

1687
01:12:23,330 --> 01:12:23,520
that's

1688
01:12:23,740 --> 01:12:24,490
don't know.

1689
01:12:24,530 --> 01:12:26,430
I, I would love to find out.

1690
01:12:26,460 --> 01:12:30,020
I should have researched that
because I just love that.

1691
01:12:30,740 --> 01:12:32,600
That dance was incredible.

1692
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,150
I mean, I was mesmerized.

1693
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:34,990
If anybody out

1694
01:12:34,990 --> 01:12:37,120
there knows if that's
real, hit us, let us know.

1695
01:12:37,150 --> 01:12:39,130
We, want, I want to know,
I want to reenact it.

1696
01:12:39,130 --> 01:12:41,360
I want to get a reenacting of, uh,

1697
01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:42,305
of uh, the Valk.

1698
01:12:42,306 --> 01:12:43,260
The

1699
01:12:44,025 --> 01:12:44,505
dance, evolved.

1700
01:12:44,545 --> 01:12:45,935
And here's the thing too, with

1701
01:12:46,235 --> 01:12:49,095
all the technology, with all this
stuff out there in the filmmaking

1702
01:12:49,095 --> 01:12:52,755
process, there was very little CGI used.

1703
01:12:53,355 --> 01:12:54,095
in this scene.

1704
01:12:54,195 --> 01:12:56,325
This, dance was done by the dancers.

1705
01:12:56,605 --> 01:12:57,975
Dakota Johnson learned this.

1706
01:12:58,345 --> 01:13:04,805
It was, it was, uh, you know, a
production in itself within the movie.

1707
01:13:06,665 --> 01:13:07,010
I loved it.

1708
01:13:07,015 --> 01:13:07,745
I thought it was beautiful.

1709
01:13:10,215 --> 01:13:10,775
Amazing.

1710
01:13:11,235 --> 01:13:14,945
So from what I can tell from Google,
it was created just for the movie,

1711
01:13:15,065 --> 01:13:17,585
Okay, we're gonna

1712
01:13:17,635 --> 01:13:18,355
redo it anyway.

1713
01:13:18,375 --> 01:13:18,855
We're gonna

1714
01:13:19,295 --> 01:13:22,025
but was, it was powerful.

1715
01:13:22,065 --> 01:13:25,145
It was definitely like that
contemporary style of dancing

1716
01:13:25,145 --> 01:13:26,735
with the breathing and the

1717
01:13:26,955 --> 01:13:27,365
Yeah, and

1718
01:13:27,585 --> 01:13:29,775
woof me chills.

1719
01:13:29,995 --> 01:13:30,115
It

1720
01:13:30,115 --> 01:13:30,545
was long.

1721
01:13:30,575 --> 01:13:31,545
It was, It was, I loved it.

1722
01:13:31,555 --> 01:13:32,005
It's long.

1723
01:13:32,015 --> 01:13:32,765
It's a long

1724
01:13:33,850 --> 01:13:34,240
Dance

1725
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:34,570
scene.

1726
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:35,170
Um

1727
01:13:35,530 --> 01:13:35,930
Yeah,

1728
01:13:35,980 --> 01:13:37,840
it definitely is a, uh, dance.

1729
01:13:38,180 --> 01:13:40,910
As you're talking about it in
rehearsals too, you can tell that it

1730
01:13:40,910 --> 01:13:42,860
was a dance created to be a story.

1731
01:13:43,230 --> 01:13:45,070
To have its own, like, act.

1732
01:13:45,980 --> 01:13:48,800
Like, there's the big, you know, the
beginning of the dance and she's talking

1733
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:53,360
about leading it up to the end of the
dance when they're jumping and all that.

1734
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:53,730
Yeah.

1735
01:13:54,060 --> 01:13:57,990
And this is, in, in vogue now,
this is the dance of death, so

1736
01:13:59,210 --> 01:13:59,720
you got

1737
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:04,040
Susie, ba, this is Susie
basically performing, you know,

1738
01:14:05,050 --> 01:14:05,260
a

1739
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:10,810
ritualistic dance and then it
culminates in this big, bloody, chaotic

1740
01:14:11,860 --> 01:14:12,640
craziness.

1741
01:14:12,670 --> 01:14:17,130
It's almost like you, you're
watching this scene and you think,

1742
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:21,560
after it's all over, where you're
like, how did I get from that to that?

1743
01:14:23,530 --> 01:14:24,100
You know what I mean?

1744
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:24,655
Without, because.

1745
01:14:25,425 --> 01:14:26,265
It's, it's, it's,

1746
01:14:26,265 --> 01:14:26,985
it's insane.

1747
01:14:27,045 --> 01:14:28,605
Um, what'd you think about that?

1748
01:14:30,110 --> 01:14:31,350
So, you're talking
about building up to the

1749
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:31,840
end?

1750
01:14:31,915 --> 01:14:32,455
Yeah, yeah.

1751
01:14:32,455 --> 01:14:32,635
Yeah.

1752
01:14:32,635 --> 01:14:34,975
You just, you think about it in, in, in

1753
01:14:34,975 --> 01:14:37,825
just that piece from the, the
start of the dance to the very end.

1754
01:14:38,020 --> 01:14:38,590
Oh yeah.

1755
01:14:38,685 --> 01:14:42,885
It's like how did you go from this
thing to, to this like it was.

1756
01:14:43,535 --> 01:14:44,045
bizarre to me.

1757
01:14:44,345 --> 01:14:45,125
It's bizarre to me.

1758
01:14:45,125 --> 01:14:50,045
If you think about how you got from point
A to point B, all the stuff in between.

1759
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:53,570
Well, I can tell you, all that thread.

1760
01:14:54,455 --> 01:14:56,345
is definitely Susie.

1761
01:14:56,675 --> 01:14:57,165
Like,

1762
01:14:57,925 --> 01:14:58,135
from

1763
01:14:58,135 --> 01:15:02,835
the very beginning of the movie, and as
you follow her story through this, this

1764
01:15:02,835 --> 01:15:08,715
is something, this is the part where it
really differs from, um, the original.

1765
01:15:09,005 --> 01:15:12,180
Because the original, you're
experiencing it as a Normy

1766
01:15:13,065 --> 01:15:13,845
a normal,

1767
01:15:13,935 --> 01:15:15,195
a muggle, if you will.

1768
01:15:15,715 --> 01:15:19,915
Um, you know, we're the muggle
Susie, and we are going into a

1769
01:15:19,975 --> 01:15:21,835
dance studio, and something's weird.

1770
01:15:21,835 --> 01:15:24,955
And obviously, I mean, through the whole
movie, she's, she's experiencing the

1771
01:15:24,955 --> 01:15:33,815
same confusion and revulsion and, um, and
shock as we, the audience are feeling it.

1772
01:15:34,505 --> 01:15:36,695
But in the 2018 version.

1773
01:15:37,130 --> 01:15:41,660
We're experiencing it as a thread
through Susie, but it's not the same.

1774
01:15:41,660 --> 01:15:43,990
It's like, what's up with Susie?

1775
01:15:45,115 --> 01:15:45,715
Yeah.

1776
01:15:46,030 --> 01:15:46,320
Right?

1777
01:15:46,835 --> 01:15:47,375
No, you're

1778
01:15:47,391 --> 01:15:47,490
you

1779
01:15:47,490 --> 01:15:48,020
know, you

1780
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,350
find out at the end, there
was something the whole time.

1781
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,340
And I knew there would be some
other big reveal because we already

1782
01:15:53,340 --> 01:15:54,450
revealed that they're witches.

1783
01:15:55,070 --> 01:15:56,800
That already got revealed early.

1784
01:15:57,570 --> 01:15:59,030
So there's gotta be something else.

1785
01:15:59,505 --> 01:16:02,235
So tell us, Right there in the
final, this is where the final,

1786
01:16:02,625 --> 01:16:05,995
the final act, like Susie does
reveal her true nature, right here.

1787
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:06,860
Yeah.

1788
01:16:07,015 --> 01:16:07,495
What is she?

1789
01:16:08,570 --> 01:16:11,975
She ends up being
actually Mother Suspirium

1790
01:16:14,155 --> 01:16:14,595
Susie,

1791
01:16:15,420 --> 01:16:20,970
Mother Marcos has been calling herself
Mother Suspirium this whole time.

1792
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:26,470
So everyone voted for her, believing
she was, she was the mother, the mother,

1793
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:27,670
but

1794
01:16:27,710 --> 01:16:28,120
she wasn't.

1795
01:16:28,121 --> 01:16:28,794
That's

1796
01:16:28,985 --> 01:16:29,435
the mother.

1797
01:16:30,055 --> 01:16:30,715
Not the mama.

1798
01:16:30,715 --> 01:16:31,105
Remember that?

1799
01:16:31,115 --> 01:16:31,845
The dinosaur?

1800
01:16:32,505 --> 01:16:33,095
Not the mama.

1801
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:34,540
not the mama.

1802
01:16:34,890 --> 01:16:39,680
Yeah, she was not, which, I mean,
that's exactly why we were taken

1803
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,030
through this movie in a different way.

1804
01:16:42,665 --> 01:16:47,675
Um, Susie was experiencing something
else and it shows those flashbacks and

1805
01:16:47,675 --> 01:16:53,145
those dream sequences where Susie's
like, always wanted to go to Berlin,

1806
01:16:53,405 --> 01:16:59,365
always wanted to be a part of this dance
troupe, this specific dance company.

1807
01:17:00,115 --> 01:17:04,490
It was something she had known from the
moment she was born that she needed to go.

1808
01:17:05,070 --> 01:17:10,405
She had this drive to do because she
wasn't in a ritual that made her mother

1809
01:17:10,690 --> 01:17:10,840
Suspirium.

1810
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:19,910
It was, she was reincarnated or reborn as
mother Suspirium and her Amish Mennonite

1811
01:17:20,250 --> 01:17:27,710
mother was dying on her deathbed and said,
I gave birth to the sin, to a mark of

1812
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,815
sin on this world or something like that.

1813
01:17:30,075 --> 01:17:30,465
Yeah.

1814
01:17:30,755 --> 01:17:33,165
Yeah, that's, We didn't even touch that

1815
01:17:33,165 --> 01:17:33,405
scene.

1816
01:17:33,705 --> 01:17:33,855
And

1817
01:17:33,855 --> 01:17:35,245
that's very powerful right there.

1818
01:17:35,245 --> 01:17:38,025
So it's almost, that's a foreshadow
then, right there, where she's

1819
01:17:39,260 --> 01:17:41,020
letting you know that, Hey,
there's something a little bit off.

1820
01:17:41,310 --> 01:17:41,860
And

1821
01:17:43,130 --> 01:17:43,310
what

1822
01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:46,520
about the, what about, uh,
Helena Marcos right there?

1823
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:50,310
making an appearance, the
old shriveled up version.

1824
01:17:50,610 --> 01:17:51,290
Oh,

1825
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:52,240
That's Tilda!

1826
01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:54,010
yes.

1827
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,748
That was, I mean, it's like
they went out of their way.

1828
01:17:58,605 --> 01:18:05,095
With costume, makeup, CGI, to
make her the most grotesque

1829
01:18:06,785 --> 01:18:10,305
creature I think I've maybe
ever seen in a movie, ever.

1830
01:18:12,595 --> 01:18:17,825
Like, limbs out of parts of her body?

1831
01:18:18,495 --> 01:18:19,335
Tumors?

1832
01:18:20,785 --> 01:18:22,985
Like, you can just, uh, ugh.

1833
01:18:22,985 --> 01:18:23,735
Oof.

1834
01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:24,400
pretty.

1835
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:25,830
It's not pretty at all.

1836
01:18:26,130 --> 01:18:26,810
And,

1837
01:18:28,620 --> 01:18:29,270
thankfully,

1838
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:30,440
Susie does her in.

1839
01:18:31,210 --> 01:18:31,730
Right here.

1840
01:18:31,820 --> 01:18:32,010
Like,

1841
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,980
she, She gets right at her.

1842
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:35,390
And

1843
01:18:37,690 --> 01:18:38,080
that's the

1844
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:38,870
big reveal.

1845
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,540
The twist, as you call it.

1846
01:18:41,335 --> 01:18:41,965
Was that She

1847
01:18:42,045 --> 01:18:42,605
is Mother

1848
01:18:42,905 --> 01:18:43,325
Suspirium.

1849
01:18:44,305 --> 01:18:46,795
Kills Helena Marcos, which
is Tilda Swinton right here.

1850
01:18:47,355 --> 01:18:49,115
And then, it's not over.

1851
01:18:51,175 --> 01:18:51,405
It's not

1852
01:18:51,405 --> 01:18:51,595
over.

1853
01:18:51,615 --> 01:18:52,225
You got the

1854
01:18:53,545 --> 01:18:54,315
aftermath, the epilogue,

1855
01:18:56,155 --> 01:19:02,265
uh, You also have the
appearance of Jessica Harper

1856
01:19:03,485 --> 01:19:03,895
Yes.

1857
01:19:04,175 --> 01:19:04,855
from our, from

1858
01:19:04,990 --> 01:19:06,160
From the original,

1859
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:07,510
who was

1860
01:19:08,190 --> 01:19:12,210
Yosef Klemper's Wife.

1861
01:19:12,446 --> 01:19:13,535
Ank.

1862
01:19:14,615 --> 01:19:15,355
Ank, I believe is the name.

1863
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:16,600
yeah,

1864
01:19:16,965 --> 01:19:18,705
What an incredible
cameo right here, right?

1865
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:19,710
Right.

1866
01:19:20,660 --> 01:19:21,320
Yeah, that was

1867
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:22,860
amazing.

1868
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,990
And the fact that he gets lured
there for this ritual, he's

1869
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,540
naked and sobbing on the floor.

1870
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:30,950
He's gonna be sacrificed.

1871
01:19:30,990 --> 01:19:32,410
I'm sure that's why
they brought him there.

1872
01:19:32,610 --> 01:19:36,470
He was probably going to be another, you
know, human sacrifice for this ritual.

1873
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,035
But he survives!

1874
01:19:38,335 --> 01:19:38,655
yeah,

1875
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:43,540
Because she gets in there and she's
like, Ya dead, ya dead, ya dead.

1876
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:50,320
The most bloody, gory scene where
this creature of death arrives

1877
01:19:50,850 --> 01:19:53,410
and just starts Bam, bam, bam.

1878
01:19:53,500 --> 01:19:58,830
Anyone who voted for Marcos, uh, Mother
Marcos in the original vote, what you

1879
01:19:58,850 --> 01:20:00,420
saw earlier in the movie, They get

1880
01:20:01,340 --> 01:20:02,120
exploded.

1881
01:20:02,250 --> 01:20:02,580
Yeah.

1882
01:20:02,665 --> 01:20:03,175
Deleted.

1883
01:20:03,175 --> 01:20:04,465
Just straight, boom, gone.

1884
01:20:05,035 --> 01:20:06,255
And Susie

1885
01:20:06,395 --> 01:20:09,675
erases Dr. Klemperer's
memories of the events too.

1886
01:20:11,655 --> 01:20:12,565
And that's basically it.

1887
01:20:13,195 --> 01:20:15,545
The film ends, You got Susie.

1888
01:20:15,895 --> 01:20:20,145
Revealing, uh, or Susie talking
to Dr. Klemperer about the

1889
01:20:20,495 --> 01:20:21,385
about what, his wife.

1890
01:20:22,215 --> 01:20:22,555
Yeah.

1891
01:20:22,555 --> 01:20:27,895
Tells, tells him the story of her death,
um, so that he can have some peace, I

1892
01:20:27,905 --> 01:20:30,185
guess, about, you know, she wasn't alone.

1893
01:20:30,215 --> 01:20:31,785
She was surrounded by other women.

1894
01:20:32,235 --> 01:20:37,635
She survived, I think, 20 days into
when, you know, after they were arrested.

1895
01:20:37,685 --> 01:20:41,035
And, um, anyway, just kind of
this really emotional scene that

1896
01:20:41,125 --> 01:20:42,725
was actually really emotional.

1897
01:20:42,725 --> 01:20:42,745
Yeah.

1898
01:20:43,223 --> 01:20:47,540
Uh, you know, Oscar worthy,
she's telling her like, I am

1899
01:20:48,460 --> 01:20:49,480
here to let you know.

1900
01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:49,930
She,

1901
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:51,280
she,

1902
01:20:51,730 --> 01:20:53,500
you know, this is how she died.

1903
01:20:53,530 --> 01:20:56,410
This is what happened to her, so that
you cannot worry about it anymore.

1904
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:57,910
You don't have to think about it anymore.

1905
01:20:59,445 --> 01:20:59,905
And that's

1906
01:21:00,985 --> 01:21:01,495
almost a

1907
01:21:02,705 --> 01:21:03,635
nice ending.

1908
01:21:03,855 --> 01:21:04,635
I don't know

1909
01:21:04,635 --> 01:21:05,275
what to say.

1910
01:21:05,275 --> 01:21:06,465
It's, right?

1911
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,720
I don't know, I mean, this, at
this point you're like, so, okay.

1912
01:21:10,330 --> 01:21:15,250
Um, I assume, or at least a lot of people
on Reddit that I could see, assume that

1913
01:21:15,250 --> 01:21:17,170
she's now gonna take over the dance.

1914
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,390
And she's going to be in charge and
she's going to take over the coven

1915
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:25,700
and, and she's in charge now and
she's wiped out everybody who was not.

1916
01:21:26,245 --> 01:21:26,795
On board.

1917
01:21:27,695 --> 01:21:28,495
Yeah, basically.

1918
01:21:28,495 --> 01:21:28,725
it's,

1919
01:21:29,805 --> 01:21:30,245
yeah.

1920
01:21:30,245 --> 01:21:37,385
And so it's like this question of like,
so is she a good witch or a bad witch?

1921
01:21:37,445 --> 01:21:45,725
Or like, you know, she, uh, the
young Helena Marcos, it was clear

1922
01:21:45,725 --> 01:21:49,965
there was conflict because she didn't
like the way things were run and

1923
01:21:50,011 --> 01:21:52,305
she didn't like this sacrifice part.

1924
01:21:52,345 --> 01:21:54,345
She didn't like that
someone had to give up.

1925
01:21:55,015 --> 01:21:57,445
She's like, we've always
been at odds about this.

1926
01:21:58,205 --> 01:21:58,795
Um.

1927
01:21:59,115 --> 01:22:01,015
And they had kind of
contention about that.

1928
01:22:01,515 --> 01:22:08,195
So I, I wonder if the actual mother
Suspirium, if she's going to run this

1929
01:22:08,195 --> 01:22:13,275
dance studio a different way, or she's
going to be the one who is maternal

1930
01:22:13,295 --> 01:22:20,765
and, um, protects these girls and makes
it a safe haven for them instead of

1931
01:22:20,765 --> 01:22:22,575
doing it like the, the old lady did.

1932
01:22:23,245 --> 01:22:23,735
now

1933
01:22:24,735 --> 01:22:26,785
there's, there's a after credits scene.

1934
01:22:26,785 --> 01:22:27,205
Did you see that?

1935
01:22:29,015 --> 01:22:29,125
I don't know.

1936
01:22:29,385 --> 01:22:29,665
Did I?

1937
01:22:30,090 --> 01:22:31,220
Because in the after

1938
01:22:31,220 --> 01:22:33,280
credits scene it's Suzy, Dakota Johnson.

1939
01:22:34,030 --> 01:22:35,070
And she raises her arm

1940
01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:38,810
in a subtle gesture and it just
makes, it leaves the viewers

1941
01:22:39,340 --> 01:22:41,930
kind of feeling uneasy again.

1942
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:43,110
I don't know if you

1943
01:22:43,255 --> 01:22:44,975
Oh, yeah.

1944
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:46,100
It just adds

1945
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,190
a new layer of interpretation
that you can take from it.

1946
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:54,240
But I think it goes to your
point here, it leaves it open.

1947
01:22:54,300 --> 01:22:54,860
It's like,

1948
01:22:58,910 --> 01:22:59,600
But I like that.

1949
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,120
I don't mind, I don't, like when
the movies tell you right out.

1950
01:23:03,685 --> 01:23:06,865
Yeah, it's kind of like midsummer,
you're not actually sure what's

1951
01:23:06,865 --> 01:23:08,075
gonna happen at the end of it.

1952
01:23:08,085 --> 01:23:10,305
Like, now what?

1953
01:23:11,445 --> 01:23:12,965
Same exact theme and concept

1954
01:23:12,965 --> 01:23:16,065
right here because you don't, exactly,
you don't know if she belongs.

1955
01:23:16,065 --> 01:23:17,505
It's that same sense of belonging.

1956
01:23:17,505 --> 01:23:22,715
You don't know if she belongs
with the witches just like, uh,

1957
01:23:22,745 --> 01:23:25,405
in Midsommar she belonged with
the May, the May Queen, you know?

1958
01:23:25,405 --> 01:23:30,695
Like, It's, it's, it's Yeah, that's
a, that's a great thing to, to kind

1959
01:23:30,695 --> 01:23:32,485
of pick out of that and another layer.

1960
01:23:32,915 --> 01:23:33,135
That's

1961
01:23:33,155 --> 01:23:35,285
just another layer that
they added to this movie.

1962
01:23:36,515 --> 01:23:37,425
else we got to hit on this?

1963
01:23:37,455 --> 01:23:39,695
What's your final thoughts
on 2018's The Spirit?

1964
01:23:43,670 --> 01:23:44,100
Oh,

1965
01:23:46,630 --> 01:23:51,780
yeah, I, okay, I keep going back to
the theme that we talked about a little

1966
01:23:51,780 --> 01:23:53,900
bit in last week's episode, Midsommar.

1967
01:23:54,290 --> 01:23:59,378
It does kind of have that same
vibe of like, here was Susie.

1968
01:24:00,500 --> 01:24:08,510
Um, um, I guess grew up in a very, like,
very religious, um, Mennonite, Amish, I

1969
01:24:08,510 --> 01:24:11,590
wasn't really sure which, but, uh, house,

1970
01:24:12,670 --> 01:24:12,880
um,

1971
01:24:12,910 --> 01:24:13,500
upbringing.

1972
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:14,350
And

1973
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:15,820
She

1974
01:24:16,510 --> 01:24:19,880
comes to this dance studio with
this same feeling of like belonging.

1975
01:24:20,290 --> 01:24:25,160
So even as we, the audience are unsettled
by these events happening and we feel like

1976
01:24:26,865 --> 01:24:28,945
Oh, that's uncomfortable, or
like, why is that going on?

1977
01:24:29,045 --> 01:24:33,855
Um, there's a scene where she goes, uh,
she sneaks into a room she's not supposed

1978
01:24:33,905 --> 01:24:37,985
to be in, and she happens to catch the
witches, like, have the, the police

1979
01:24:38,425 --> 01:24:38,915
Oh, yeah.

1980
01:24:39,875 --> 01:24:44,165
are like, bewitched, and, um, in a
trance, and they're just like, poking

1981
01:24:44,165 --> 01:24:48,730
fun at them, and laughing at them,
and, um, That would probably disturb

1982
01:24:48,740 --> 01:24:54,650
people, typically, but Susie just
laughs about it, and she's like, yeah.

1983
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,350
So there's this sense that she is
not uncomfortable with all of this.

1984
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,330
She is actually where
she's always meant to be.

1985
01:25:03,130 --> 01:25:07,460
And you get that, that same
theme of belonging in Midsommar.

1986
01:25:08,570 --> 01:25:12,810
Where it's like, yeah, we're all
a little uncomfortable with this

1987
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:19,370
cult, this, uh, witchy evilness
going on, but the main character?

1988
01:25:20,530 --> 01:25:22,280
This is her, this is her jam.

1989
01:25:22,450 --> 01:25:24,260
She's like, I'm home!

1990
01:25:25,070 --> 01:25:26,340
That's a great, I love that because it's

1991
01:25:26,340 --> 01:25:27,380
like, yeah, yeah.

1992
01:25:27,380 --> 01:25:28,020
Um,

1993
01:25:28,910 --> 01:25:29,200
the,

1994
01:25:29,220 --> 01:25:32,580
the main characters are, are, they're
like, oh yeah, I'm good with this.

1995
01:25:35,390 --> 01:25:35,570
kind of.

1996
01:25:36,170 --> 01:25:39,490
I gotta, I gotta, I forgot, we
didn't mention, I gotta point out.

1997
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:44,640
that We talked about the
Goblins soundtrack in 1977.

1998
01:25:45,470 --> 01:25:50,030
Hey, 2018 had Tom York from Radiohead
do his first score for a movie.

1999
01:25:50,690 --> 01:25:55,175
And it was, it was no
less Uneasy, unsettling.

2000
01:25:55,505 --> 01:25:58,305
We keep using that word, those
words, but it was no less.

2001
01:25:58,305 --> 01:25:59,335
It was very haunting.

2002
01:25:59,795 --> 01:26:00,705
It added to it.

2003
01:26:00,725 --> 01:26:02,495
It was another depth to the movie.

2004
01:26:02,495 --> 01:26:05,225
I think I love Radiohead.

2005
01:26:05,265 --> 01:26:06,045
I love Tom Yorke.

2006
01:26:06,055 --> 01:26:06,660
I love what he

2007
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:08,400
I knew you would love that.

2008
01:26:08,450 --> 01:26:11,310
I knew that would be a point
you'd have to, to bring up, cause

2009
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:11,860
yeah.

2010
01:26:12,965 --> 01:26:15,165
Let me tell you, side story.

2011
01:26:15,775 --> 01:26:17,025
I saw Radiohead.

2012
01:26:17,075 --> 01:26:21,235
I missed Radiohead in 2002.

2013
01:26:22,485 --> 01:26:22,665
We

2014
01:26:22,665 --> 01:26:27,365
bought the tickets so far in advance
that we forgot when the concert was.

2015
01:26:27,785 --> 01:26:29,035
Me and a friend of mine.

2016
01:26:29,665 --> 01:26:32,135
We woke up, we thought it
was this day, and guess what?

2017
01:26:32,135 --> 01:26:33,065
It was last night.

2018
01:26:33,085 --> 01:26:33,565
So,

2019
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:34,500
Ugh.

2020
01:26:35,115 --> 01:26:35,325
he

2021
01:26:35,325 --> 01:26:39,775
gets his mom's credit card, and he buys us
front row tickets, second row tickets to

2022
01:26:39,775 --> 01:26:42,345
see Radiohead and Madison Square Garden.

2023
01:26:43,015 --> 01:26:46,615
So that's where I ended up seeing them
and it ended up working out better.

2024
01:26:46,615 --> 01:26:47,595
So I got to see that tour.

2025
01:26:48,105 --> 01:26:48,825
Incredible.

2026
01:26:48,965 --> 01:26:49,555
It was incredible.

2027
01:26:49,885 --> 01:26:52,485
Yeah, Tom York with the score.

2028
01:26:54,375 --> 01:26:58,575
Like, it just, that, along
with the visuals, both movies.

2029
01:26:59,590 --> 01:27:00,320
yeah,

2030
01:27:00,595 --> 01:27:01,545
movies compare

2031
01:27:01,555 --> 01:27:03,305
even though they're not
a, it's not a remake.

2032
01:27:03,335 --> 01:27:03,675
whatever.

2033
01:27:03,995 --> 01:27:04,165
I

2034
01:27:04,270 --> 01:27:09,120
but I think, I think, you know, I was
set up to kind of think it might not be.

2035
01:27:09,685 --> 01:27:13,995
Um, good or something when, when I heard
what the director had said about, you

2036
01:27:13,995 --> 01:27:17,095
know, it not being remake and I was
like, okay, well then I guess we'll just

2037
01:27:17,095 --> 01:27:19,425
see what, what happens when I watch it.

2038
01:27:19,435 --> 01:27:20,825
Like what, what is it going to be?

2039
01:27:21,455 --> 01:27:23,875
But I truly believe that it is.

2040
01:27:25,255 --> 01:27:27,965
The best kind of remake,
if it was a remake.

2041
01:27:28,015 --> 01:27:33,975
It's like, we did not try to
mess with what it was originally.

2042
01:27:34,325 --> 01:27:38,895
We just tried to make it
its kind of, um, new thing.

2043
01:27:38,925 --> 01:27:41,045
Come to the table with
something new, right?

2044
01:27:41,375 --> 01:27:42,375
mean they added an hour.

2045
01:27:42,435 --> 01:27:42,825
They added

2046
01:27:42,825 --> 01:27:44,645
an hour of extra content, is what I think.

2047
01:27:44,795 --> 01:27:46,495
Oh yeah, for sure.

2048
01:27:48,155 --> 01:27:49,355
I went to bed late that night

2049
01:27:49,655 --> 01:27:50,425
Yeah, right.

2050
01:27:50,545 --> 01:27:55,795
with visions of blood and gore in my mind
as I rested my head on my little pillow.

2051
01:27:56,225 --> 01:27:57,015
that's the best way to

2052
01:27:57,015 --> 01:27:57,175
go.

2053
01:27:57,175 --> 01:27:58,155
That's how I go every night.

2054
01:27:58,155 --> 01:27:58,485
So.

2055
01:27:59,815 --> 01:28:03,435
Well, next week we have
much tamer witch movies.

2056
01:28:03,795 --> 01:28:07,835
We've been doing some horror,
some really like out there.

2057
01:28:07,875 --> 01:28:14,895
Um, but, uh, the next two on the list are
my picks and I'm a little bit more of the

2058
01:28:15,145 --> 01:28:17,445
family friendly or subtle witch movies.

2059
01:28:17,895 --> 01:28:20,245
Um, great movies nonetheless, though.

2060
01:28:20,275 --> 01:28:21,535
I'm really excited to talk about

2061
01:28:21,825 --> 01:28:22,715
I can't wait to do that.

2062
01:28:23,208 --> 01:28:28,008
Wow, that is going to be two movies that
are going to be really tough to pick.

2063
01:28:28,448 --> 01:28:32,288
The old, original Suspiria,
and the newer, made one.

2064
01:28:33,088 --> 01:28:35,468
You know what, that was, like I
said, that was one of my first times,

2065
01:28:35,648 --> 01:28:40,928
kind of, well, one of my first times
seeing the older 1977 Suspiria,

2066
01:28:40,958 --> 01:28:42,248
because it's so hard to find.

2067
01:28:42,328 --> 01:28:46,938
I feel like when Amazon put out the,
the newer one, That they tried to erase

2068
01:28:46,938 --> 01:28:51,808
that old one because all the, the free
streaming services out there, you'd,

2069
01:28:51,918 --> 01:28:53,478
it would say, yeah, they have it.

2070
01:28:53,478 --> 01:28:54,568
And you look, it's not there.

2071
01:28:54,768 --> 01:28:55,198
So.

2072
01:28:55,568 --> 01:28:57,718
Yeah, it definitely deserves its due.

2073
01:28:57,908 --> 01:28:58,248
I mean,

2074
01:28:58,248 --> 01:28:59,598
Amazon, don't bury that movie.

2075
01:28:59,638 --> 01:29:00,878
Don't bury it.

2076
01:29:00,878 --> 01:29:01,828
Come on, Amazon.

2077
01:29:03,178 --> 01:29:05,588
It deserves its own place for sure.

2078
01:29:06,168 --> 01:29:10,738
But remember you can vote for which one
you liked and send those to our socials.

2079
01:29:10,878 --> 01:29:16,978
But, uh, All that leading up to
the event on October 26th at Novel.

2080
01:29:18,138 --> 01:29:24,338
Novel Daybreak by Crescent Communities
is sponsoring The Witch Movie Project

2081
01:29:24,338 --> 01:29:26,488
live podcast taping and movie screening.

2082
01:29:27,128 --> 01:29:30,268
If you want tickets to that thing,
look around on our social media.

2083
01:29:30,268 --> 01:29:32,118
You can find out how
to get tickets to that.

2084
01:29:32,678 --> 01:29:33,448
You don't want to miss it.

2085
01:29:34,868 --> 01:29:35,138
It's going to

2086
01:29:35,148 --> 01:29:36,578
be amazing and you can dress up.

2087
01:29:37,658 --> 01:29:41,548
Come on, ladies, put on your
witches and come on out to this.

2088
01:29:41,868 --> 01:29:45,438
If you don't dress up, I might not
let them in if people don't dress up.

2089
01:29:46,828 --> 01:29:47,538
That's a good idea.

2090
01:29:47,718 --> 01:29:47,988
Yeah.

2091
01:29:48,563 --> 01:29:48,833
Good old

2092
01:29:48,833 --> 01:29:50,063
fashioned frat party.

2093
01:29:51,263 --> 01:29:51,477
.
I wonder what I'm gonna wear.

2094
01:29:51,653 --> 01:29:53,603
What kind of costume
could I, can I pull up?

2095
01:29:54,643 --> 01:29:55,093
Hmm.

2096
01:29:55,168 --> 01:29:56,763
I have to, we'll have to

2097
01:29:56,763 --> 01:29:57,333
work on that.

2098
01:29:57,813 --> 01:30:00,243
Yeah, I need to, I gotta get, I'll
have to get it together quick though.

2099
01:30:00,243 --> 01:30:03,693
'cause this is coming up October
26th, once again at Novel

2100
01:30:03,693 --> 01:30:05,253
Daybreak by Crescent Communities.

2101
01:30:06,493 --> 01:30:07,513
Love all the people over there.

2102
01:30:07,663 --> 01:30:08,203
Got Max.

2103
01:30:08,503 --> 01:30:09,943
Randy, you got Esther?

2104
01:30:10,423 --> 01:30:11,563
Uh, Frito.

2105
01:30:11,803 --> 01:30:12,613
I got his name right.

2106
01:30:12,613 --> 01:30:12,908
I think.

2107
01:30:13,503 --> 01:30:14,063
Please tell me.

2108
01:30:14,973 --> 01:30:15,543
I love that.

2109
01:30:15,633 --> 01:30:16,863
I love all the people over there.

2110
01:30:17,993 --> 01:30:18,433
Amazing.

2111
01:30:18,543 --> 01:30:20,163
We can't wait to get
over there and do that.

2112
01:30:20,163 --> 01:30:23,473
And also, we can't forget
one of our sponsors.

2113
01:30:24,468 --> 01:30:27,408
It's Pure Sweat and Float
Studio at South Jordan.

2114
01:30:27,758 --> 01:30:34,348
Go to pure sweat studios.com or follow
them on social media at Pure Sweat South

2115
01:30:34,348 --> 01:30:37,438
Jordan, what else we got this week?

2116
01:30:37,438 --> 01:30:37,948
Is that it?

2117
01:30:38,828 --> 01:30:41,858
That and Lift Cake Parties is
helping us plan this event.

2118
01:30:41,858 --> 01:30:43,358
So let's not forget to mention them.

2119
01:30:43,658 --> 01:30:44,318
Lift cake parties.

2120
01:30:44,318 --> 01:30:47,468
I love Carla and all she does
this thing's gonna be incredible.

2121
01:30:47,473 --> 01:30:50,678
It's going, it's gonna, it's gonna
get, it's gonna get big over there.

2122
01:30:50,828 --> 01:30:51,153
It's gonna be crazy.

2123
01:30:51,153 --> 01:30:51,475
We're gonna be

2124
01:30:51,548 --> 01:30:52,688
turning people away at the door.

2125
01:30:52,688 --> 01:30:52,718
I

2126
01:30:52,958 --> 01:30:53,498
hope so.

2127
01:30:53,528 --> 01:30:54,218
We'll see you guys.