Unearthing Horror Classics: The Blair Witch Project & The Witch - A Deep Dive

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All right, Courtney, here we are.

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I'm so scared.

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We've got the, this is the found
footage version of our podcast

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here, The Witch Movie Project.

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If you can't tell already, the first
movie is The Blair Witch Project.

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We named the whole
project after this movie.

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Kind of.

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Kind of.

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We were also kind of lazy.

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We just said The Witch Movie Project.

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But,

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Yeah.

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It started to grow on me and then it just
became, yeah, it's, that's what it is.

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Cause it's a project for us.

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We're doing this.

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this thing together, and this week The
two movies on deck are, to me, they

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both defined almost a new type of genre.

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Uh, it's, you got the Blair Witch
Project, which was one of your

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original, the granddaddy of them,
all found footage horror movies.

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Yes.

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We'll get into that, and how
that found footage movie, It

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like leaked into real life.

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Like

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It's incredible!

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the other movie we have is
the A24 represent right there.

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I got my limited edition A24 shirt on.

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It's the A24s.

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The Witch, or The Vivitch,
as it's spelt out.

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The V V I T C H. That movie in
its own is, to me, another almost

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new genre defining type of film.

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I mean, you got something that's set in
the 1630s, it's historically accurate,

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there's no real, like, I mean, jump
scares, it's upshore a little bit, but

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it's not your typical horror movie.

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It's an atmospheric horror movie, really.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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A lot of cinematography
that goes into that.

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Yeah.

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Creepy woods.

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Both movies got the creepy woods.

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They're building this,
uh, this atmosphere.

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And it all builds to these finales
that are, you know, Basically in

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the film lore stuck there forever.

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Now these, these, the, the, the end
of the Blair Witch Project, it's not

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a spoiler, the final scene of the guy
standing against the wall, that's,

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that's, if you show that screen to
somebody, they're like, Oh yeah, Oh shit.

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That scared me.

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That's the Blair Witch Project, you know?

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So

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I heard, I saw a rumor.

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I mean, this is like internet rumor.

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Tell me what you think.

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But Stephen King even said, um, his
son had tried to show it to him and

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he said, you got to turn this off.

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It's too scary.

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now let's get into this.

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Let's just go ahead and start
with the Blair Witch Project.

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Yeah.

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What you just said right there.

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I don't know if this is true or not
because that's what this whole movie

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brought up in real life All the way,
let's go through some of the stuff

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that they set up in just the marketing.

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The Blair Witch herself, I
believe the lead actors thought

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that that was a real myth.

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Does that, does that make sense?

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A real myth?

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Cause, but, but that's, they were,
they were led to believe and then

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people thought after the movie
came out, the Blair Witch was real.

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No.

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Yeah.

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You have to remember this
is like nineties, 99.

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This is when, um, internet was
starting to really become like.

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A regular useful thing.

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More and more people like being able
to create their own websites and, um,

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use the internet for different things.

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And so I was just Because I, I mean I
obviously was alive during this era.

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I'm, I'm a little bit old.

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A little bit.

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Just a little bit.

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But, um, Yeah, I remember the
Blu ray was coming out and it

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being a huge, like, debate.

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Everybody being like, this was real,
they found these real, this real

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footage, all this, like, talk about it.

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And I'll admit, I didn't
see the movie back then.

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I, I don't know, I must
have missed the craze.

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I'm not sure what I was doing.

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But, I remember Well, but in researching
this and seeing that they created a

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website to say, you know, to market this
movie and to say, we found footage and

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everybody believing that everybody, I
mean, that kind of going viral, if you

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will, if that was even a thing back

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Oh, it was, yeah.

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Now,

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And everybody began
being like, Oh my gosh.

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So going to the movie theaters, thinking
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who'd gone missing and died in the

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it, excuse me, not only that, but in
the, in the marketing for this thing, the

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three main actors in the movie, Heather,
Donna, Hugh, Michael C. Williams and

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Joshua Leonard were reported missing
in real life, not outside the movie,

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before the movie released, they reported
these people missing as a PR stunt.

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So there's all these things.

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Like you said, in the time
period, in the 90s, this is before

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misinformation really hit the
internet, like you said, we didn't.

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are like, this is real.

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If I'm seeing it, it's fact.

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I did see this in theaters.

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I remember going through
this and feeling this craze.

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I even remember, I was
pro wrestling at the time.

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I was a pro wrestler.

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I was a backyard wrestler at the time.

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And we held an event called Halloween.

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And the flyer for the event
was the Blaze Witch Project.

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That was my name.

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I was Blaze.

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And it was my eyes like that.

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Yep.

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And I remember people even being thinking
that was out, out there because they

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were like, Oh, well, how does their,
their event tie into the Blair Witch?

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It didn't.

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It was the Blaze Witch.

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It was me.

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So it was all deliberate
and a very, almost a prank.

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Yeah.

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Like it's almost a prank on
everybody to, to pull the wool

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over the eyes of the world.

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Cause nobody, nobody like it
was, it was more polarizing.

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Is it real or not?

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Then is it good or not?

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Right.

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And that, to me, was interesting.

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Because both these movies, you
got Blair Witch and you got The

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Witch, they are both polarizing
movies in their own right, because

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you've got two different spectrums.

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One side will say, oh, this was
boring, what, nothing even happened.

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I didn't see anything.

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And the other side will say, oh my god,
I was fucking terrified the entire time.

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There's really no in between.

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Did you?

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yeah.

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Well, I have to say, okay, so I've known
of the Blair Witch Project and the movie

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for all these years, all this time.

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And I will, I mean, maybe I should be
ashamed to admit this, but, This is

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the first time I actually watched the
movie in preparing for this today.

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I watched it twice,

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Okay.

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research, so the first time just to enjoy
it, just to soak it in, just to see it

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for the first time and be like, okay,
it's finally time for me to see this movie

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Um,

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all about.

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I will admit the first time I
watched it, I was like, that was it?

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Because I was a little surprised.

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at how little happened when
so much was happening, right?

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Like, I guess I wasn't, I, I was
just a little taken aback by it.

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Like, wow.

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So all that lead up and all the like
running through the woods and the

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jostling of the camera and, you know,
seeing different kinds of weird little

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things happening throughout the movie.

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And then it ends

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yeah.

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with that, you know, creepy iconic
ending, but like, then it's over.

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It just ends.

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And I was like, that was it?

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That's crazy.

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Now, once again, this is a, this
is, that's going back to the period

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of time that it released in because
this was way before your A24 type

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movies with no happy endings.

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You got happy endings back then.

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You got the good outcome.

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Not here.

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So yeah, when the, when the
credits rolled, which a lot of

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people forgot to read the credits.

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It says, it basically says in
the credits it was made up.

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It's just real, real small.

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So when the people in real life went
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Witch after this movie came out,
if they'd have read the credits,

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it would have said it's not real.

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But!

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It was there.

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I mean,

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Now that did not impede
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Like I still, but I think that the
real like genius of this movie,

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well, I don't say real genius.

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I mean, like, There's a lot of genius to
the movie, the way it was filmed and the,

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what you have there, what you're watching,
but the whole story around it, like we're

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talking about all the buildup and the, you
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movie is kind of the more impressive part.

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If you think about it,
like I just am amazed.

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I mean, uh, Heather Donahue's mom,
even well after the movie was.

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It was released.

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People should have known by
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sympathy cards in the mail.

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So people were like, I'm so
sorry, your daughter's dead.

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And she's like, she's

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that's insane.

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Like that's, that just goes
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Yes.

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this movie.

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And then, and then after this
movie, thousands, thousands

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upon thousands of found footage,
horror movies have come out.

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Not all good.

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I will say I love watching them.

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AMC has a great documentary.

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Shudder has a great documentary
on found footage movies.

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You should check that
thing out if you haven't.

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Oh, that's interesting.

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Yeah.

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And all of the people going out to
make their own movies in the woods,

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all these people going out to, uh, to
experience something creepy or like

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this in the woods after this, they
said, uh, the 1999 2000 hunting season

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was the worst year on record because
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filming their own little documentaries
that it scared all the wildlife away.

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That's incredible.

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I will say I was one of those.

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I was out in my woods in Tennessee and
I was, we were filming documentaries out

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in the woods, but I had my beanie on.

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We were ready.

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We were looking for witches.

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We were looking for them.

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We were looking for anything
out of the ordinary.

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Cause, hey.

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We just saw a movie hit the theaters
and make tons of money that had this

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that we thought might have been real.

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So why wouldn't people hit the woods, go
look for Bigfoot, go look for whatever

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things they think are out there.

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What's funny is

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the camera that they used in
the movie for Blair Witch.

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I had the same one.

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Most people did.

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They bought that thing at Circus City.

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I don't know if you remember Circus City.

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That was long before Best Buy.

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Yeah.

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Best Buy put them out of business.

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This is probably why Best
Buy put them out of business.

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It's because people like the
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Return that camera to Circuit City
after the eight days of shooting

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that it took to make the Blair Witch.

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Mm

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So we got that refund to bring that
budget down a little bit more, but

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That same camera was
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that's wild, is it not?

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What a, what a fact out.

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Yeah.

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This movie though,

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Movie

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you thinking when you watched it?

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Just from the beginning, you've
got the, you got them, you got them

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all Burkittsville sign, which has
been, that thing's been stolen three

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times now, but they're out there.

251
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history, right?

252
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Movie relics.

253
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we should go out there
and find that thing.

254
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Is it still there?

255
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I don't know.

256
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Next season, I'd like to have
that Burkittsville sign behind me.

257
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would be such a fun trip, wouldn't that?

258
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Oh, we're gonna have to make that.

259
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We could go, yeah, we
could go hit up Maryland.

260
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We could see all these little spots.

261
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It would be amazing.

262
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Oh, I'd love it.

263
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But what was your So, from the beginning,
what was your initial thoughts going

264
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in and seeing them in the car and then,
you know, they're playful, they're

265
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all this, they're talking about this.

266
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What were you feeling?

267
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Were you, did you feel like
you were immersed in it enough

268
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or were you an outsider still?

269
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Um, yeah, I, I was maybe sort of, um,
my actor was, you know, being real

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critical and kind of listening in on the
conversation and being like, how natural

271
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do I feel like this conversation is?

272
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Do I feel like it's scripted?

273
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Do I feel like they're stiff?

274
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And I did feel kind of like that, that
almost we don't know each other that

275
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well awkwardness in their banter, right?

276
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Which I mean, that would just be natural.

277
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It would be like, you know, would
some, some, uh, young people with

278
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access to camera making themselves
a little documentary, would they

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be like, let's film each other
getting ready and packing up and I'm

280
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going to tease you while we do it.

281
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And, then the switch from that to when
they would actually film something.

282
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Hmm.

283
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You know, even like at the
cemetery or things like that.

284
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And you had Heather being like
documentary voice going on.

285
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is the town

286
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Yeah.

287
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

288
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And you saw like that shift and then
the camera would switch back to just

289
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the banter and it was like, The F word
would come out and they would just be

290
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like, you know, and, um, so I was, I
was paying a lot of attention to that.

291
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Like, how do these characters interact?

292
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Like, does this feel natural to me or
does it feel like it's very like stiff?

293
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You know what?

294
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It's a good lead up to when
you're watching the beginning.

295
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It's a very good lead up to see how
they're going to react under stress later.

296
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Because when Heather, Mike and
Josh, they get lost, scared,

297
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they start hearing creepy noises.

298
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They're in a tent.

299
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You know, this is now, now you're
getting up until this point, it's

300
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It's just your full blown classic
set up for a bad night in the woods.

301
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Like it's, you know something
bad's about to happen.

302
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It's, it's this almost happy
and you're just going, you kind

303
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of go downward all the way.

304
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Like all the, you know what I mean?

305
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Like that's how it felt to me.

306
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From the atmosphere, you got
the shaky cameras, night vision,

307
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just like, well, and the
fact that they didn't have a

308
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cameraman, they had the actors.

309
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They were like, going to give
guys like a crash course in camera

310
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work and how to use the camera.

311
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then you're going to
shoot the whole thing.

312
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And we're just going to be out there.

313
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And the actors signed something
that said, you know, yeah, I'm

314
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okay with you messing with my
head, like messing with your heads.

315
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So they knew going into
this, like whatever reaction

316
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they want to get out of us.

317
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And to be in this movie, it needs
to be as natural as possible.

318
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So they're going to mess with us.

319
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and that banter and everything in the
movie that seems so natural is because

320
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basically they were not given scripts.

321
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They were given a 35 page document
that Outlined the mythology

322
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and the plot of this movie.

323
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Side of that, they were
supposed to do this.

324
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They were supposed to just ad
lib, banter, at 42 ish minutes

325
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in, when the tent's shaking.

326
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Yeah.

327
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Not scripted.

328
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So that's a real reaction.

329
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that was going to

330
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They didn't know what was gonna

331
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imagine they signed up for this
and it was probably terrifying.

332
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So, um, and the fact that.

333
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Like the, um, the legend
of the Blair Witch.

334
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They gave them that and
told them it was real.

335
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That this was a real legend, this
was a real town, this was real.

336
00:15:29,703 --> 00:15:31,813
Um, and then I had to look
into it further because the

337
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interviews with the townspeople
at the beginning was really cool.

338
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Everybody they interviewed
seemed so natural, so realistic.

339
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Um, they told the actors, Um, the three
main actors, they were real townspeople.

340
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And I would have believed that too.

341
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I would have been going into it being
like, Oh wow, these townspeople,

342
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these The one that intrigued me the
most was the woman with the child.

343
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happen.

344
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Thank you!

345
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and the child kept covering
her mouth and she was like, I

346
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know it's just a scary story.

347
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Don't worry.

348
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It's not true.

349
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It's really true.

350
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I thought

351
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just like,

352
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that That little piece, Ingrid
right there, to me, almost, without

353
00:16:13,378 --> 00:16:17,868
that, the rest of the movie, it
takes away from it a little bit.

354
00:16:17,888 --> 00:16:20,418
It doesn't ruin the movie, but if
you don't have that little piece,

355
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for some reason, to me, it stuck out.

356
00:16:22,188 --> 00:16:23,208
It felt genuine.

357
00:16:23,698 --> 00:16:25,248
Yes, the kid covered her mouth.

358
00:16:26,328 --> 00:16:29,188
The kid was not covering her mouth because
she knew what she was talking about.

359
00:16:29,188 --> 00:16:30,318
The kid was just covering her mouth.

360
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Like, she was ready to go.

361
00:16:31,833 --> 00:16:32,098
Bored.

362
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being kids.

363
00:16:32,703 --> 00:16:33,043
Right.

364
00:16:33,228 --> 00:16:34,038
Put me into it.

365
00:16:34,108 --> 00:16:35,313
And

366
00:16:35,613 --> 00:16:38,583
in the interviews and you have to really
like listen to what they're saying.

367
00:16:39,033 --> 00:16:41,333
Um, the guy who made the kids.

368
00:16:41,733 --> 00:16:45,973
Stand in the corner he killed one
child and then he would, you know,

369
00:16:45,993 --> 00:16:47,703
that's all like foreshadowing, right?

370
00:16:47,733 --> 00:16:49,023
And, and it's all important.

371
00:16:49,033 --> 00:16:53,483
You have to like really pay attention to
what they're saying, but could you imagine

372
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being the three main people and hearing
all this, thinking it's real, thinking

373
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they're real people telling you this?

374
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And then going into the woods to film.

375
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you're just out there like they are out
there and hearing stuff, not knowing

376
00:17:08,718 --> 00:17:11,778
what's going to happen, thinking this
might be a little bit real, not knowing.

377
00:17:12,868 --> 00:17:15,588
And they got, yeah, you got the
directors, you got people messing

378
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with them night after night.

379
00:17:20,458 --> 00:17:23,948
There's one crazy scene in
there where it's pitch dark.

380
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The cameraman's running out,
they're running and they're saying,

381
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At that moment, It was so intense that
there was a moment, there was a screen,

382
00:17:37,908 --> 00:17:41,808
it was supposed to be a pan to the left
where you actually saw the Blair Witch.

383
00:17:42,308 --> 00:17:46,688
You would have seen a white dress but
the cameraman, so frantic, didn't make

384
00:17:46,688 --> 00:17:49,468
that pan left and they never re shot it
so the Blair Witch didn't make an end.

385
00:17:50,578 --> 00:17:50,848
Yeah.

386
00:17:51,148 --> 00:17:51,908
To me that's crazy.

387
00:17:52,208 --> 00:17:54,228
curious to see what that
would have looked like?

388
00:17:54,528 --> 00:17:54,738
Oh,

389
00:17:54,938 --> 00:17:55,688
a picture.

390
00:17:55,698 --> 00:18:01,078
They, all these years later, if they
don't have a picture of that Blair

391
00:18:01,078 --> 00:18:02,418
Witch and what she looked like.

392
00:18:02,773 --> 00:18:03,643
They need to release it.

393
00:18:03,683 --> 00:18:04,473
I need to see.

394
00:18:05,418 --> 00:18:08,448
I mean, there's got to be
out there how she looks.

395
00:18:08,668 --> 00:18:09,928
I think it's in later movies.

396
00:18:09,928 --> 00:18:14,013
I think they made some movies and they
made them a little more, you know,

397
00:18:14,123 --> 00:18:15,433
I'll have to watch some next.

398
00:18:15,733 --> 00:18:17,953
They made some movies and they're
a little more Hollywood fied.

399
00:18:18,103 --> 00:18:20,173
Like it's not the found
footage type stuff.

400
00:18:20,743 --> 00:18:21,403
Um,

401
00:18:22,983 --> 00:18:23,243
Yeah.

402
00:18:23,263 --> 00:18:27,153
me it kind of takes away from,
from a little bit of what they did.

403
00:18:27,873 --> 00:18:29,253
They add more layers to it.

404
00:18:29,273 --> 00:18:33,233
There's actually a movie called
The Blair Witch and it's basically

405
00:18:33,233 --> 00:18:34,433
a remake of the documentary.

406
00:18:36,083 --> 00:18:36,533
Not good.

407
00:18:37,343 --> 00:18:37,833
It's not that good.

408
00:18:37,923 --> 00:18:41,063
heard not good things, but, which
is why I didn't go into that even

409
00:18:41,063 --> 00:18:42,553
when getting ready for this today.

410
00:18:42,593 --> 00:18:45,943
I wasn't gonna go and like,
watch all these other things.

411
00:18:45,973 --> 00:18:49,623
I wanted to just be like,
hey, fresh from this movie,

412
00:18:50,363 --> 00:18:52,533
watching it for the first time.

413
00:18:53,228 --> 00:18:57,988
then kind of looking into all of these
interesting facts behind the scenes.

414
00:18:58,638 --> 00:19:03,208
And yeah, I was really, um, intrigued
to be like, so in watching it the

415
00:19:03,218 --> 00:19:07,808
second time while taking my notes
was just like, I mean, you, I was

416
00:19:07,818 --> 00:19:12,428
probably like nose pressed to the
screen, like looking for every detail,

417
00:19:12,428 --> 00:19:14,088
like what's in the dark over there.

418
00:19:14,248 --> 00:19:15,388
What are they listening to?

419
00:19:15,388 --> 00:19:16,518
What is that sound?

420
00:19:17,268 --> 00:19:17,543
Yeah.

421
00:19:17,843 --> 00:19:18,763
What'd you pick up on?

422
00:19:18,763 --> 00:19:20,193
Anything, anything crazy in there?

423
00:19:21,148 --> 00:19:23,748
So I think the second time I watched
it, I was paying more attention

424
00:19:23,748 --> 00:19:25,068
to what sounds they were hearing.

425
00:19:25,088 --> 00:19:26,548
Cause it seemed like every night.

426
00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:27,953
Right?

427
00:19:28,003 --> 00:19:33,313
And the tension is building as
they're getting more and more lost.

428
00:19:33,353 --> 00:19:36,893
Um, they're, you know, Heather is
like, in the beginning she's totally

429
00:19:36,893 --> 00:19:38,723
like, I'm, I know where we're going.

430
00:19:38,723 --> 00:19:40,163
I've got, I don't even need the map.

431
00:19:40,163 --> 00:19:41,073
I know where we're going.

432
00:19:41,073 --> 00:19:41,773
I've got this.

433
00:19:42,443 --> 00:19:46,223
And you can see like the tension
between the three characters.

434
00:19:46,543 --> 00:19:51,273
And, uh, and then at night there's
like sounds that wake them up

435
00:19:51,273 --> 00:19:52,513
and she's trying to record.

436
00:19:52,513 --> 00:19:54,924
She wants to get that on camera,
wants to get the sound on there.

437
00:19:55,493 --> 00:20:02,983
Um, There was, um, I think it was the
one you're talking about when she yells,

438
00:20:04,593 --> 00:20:06,063
What the, what is that?

439
00:20:06,203 --> 00:20:06,543
is that?

440
00:20:06,543 --> 00:20:07,553
They're like, start running.

441
00:20:07,833 --> 00:20:09,863
I think it was children's sounds.

442
00:20:10,333 --> 00:20:10,823
Oh yeah.

443
00:20:11,323 --> 00:20:15,803
Children laughing, a baby crying,
and I guess the director had like

444
00:20:15,803 --> 00:20:21,753
recorded kids playing outside, then
played that on speakers at night when

445
00:20:21,753 --> 00:20:22,883
they were sleeping in their tent.

446
00:20:23,123 --> 00:20:27,233
So that's what they woke to, is
listening to like, children playing,

447
00:20:27,233 --> 00:20:29,713
singing songs, and babies crying.

448
00:20:29,813 --> 00:20:32,673
So you hear her say like, there
was a baby crying, and he's

449
00:20:32,673 --> 00:20:34,263
like, there's no baby out here.

450
00:20:34,563 --> 00:20:34,943
Yeah.

451
00:20:34,993 --> 00:20:35,443
Yeah.

452
00:20:35,493 --> 00:20:36,403
I love that part.

453
00:20:36,443 --> 00:20:42,143
And it just, to me, to me, so a lot, this
is what polarized a lot of people is that

454
00:20:43,013 --> 00:20:44,723
You got all this frantic stuff going on.

455
00:20:44,783 --> 00:20:45,345
It's shaky.

456
00:20:45,493 --> 00:20:49,363
People are in the theater getting sick,
but they, but there's people out there

457
00:20:49,363 --> 00:20:50,813
who are like, I didn't see anything.

458
00:20:51,313 --> 00:20:52,643
This was, this was awful.

459
00:20:52,683 --> 00:20:53,663
Like, what is this?

460
00:20:54,373 --> 00:20:58,423
But then you got me on the other
side, who's like, like terrified.

461
00:20:58,603 --> 00:21:02,603
I get it that it's almost like Jaws.

462
00:21:03,123 --> 00:21:05,083
In Jaws, you don't really see the shark.

463
00:21:05,743 --> 00:21:06,383
You don't see him.

464
00:21:06,543 --> 00:21:07,173
You don't see Jaws.

465
00:21:07,363 --> 00:21:09,133
And that's a whole story in itself.

466
00:21:09,613 --> 00:21:11,253
But this is the same type of situation.

467
00:21:11,253 --> 00:21:14,293
You don't have to see the evil
or the fear to know it's there.

468
00:21:14,993 --> 00:21:15,343
Yeah.

469
00:21:15,513 --> 00:21:15,833
Yeah.

470
00:21:15,833 --> 00:21:18,473
It's almost like I wonder the
difference between people who

471
00:21:18,473 --> 00:21:20,363
have a very vivid imagination.

472
00:21:20,753 --> 00:21:23,203
So they fill in the blanks themselves.

473
00:21:23,503 --> 00:21:23,933
Yeah,

474
00:21:23,943 --> 00:21:25,713
Um, and I'm a very imaginative person.

475
00:21:25,713 --> 00:21:27,003
That's just who I am.

476
00:21:27,003 --> 00:21:27,773
I've always been.

477
00:21:27,773 --> 00:21:32,723
So when I watch something like the
Blair Witch, I don't need to see what

478
00:21:32,733 --> 00:21:36,593
they might be seeing or experiencing
because my brain and my body is

479
00:21:36,933 --> 00:21:39,103
filling in all the details myself.

480
00:21:39,173 --> 00:21:41,453
And I'm like, this is terrifying.

481
00:21:42,613 --> 00:21:43,283
exactly.

482
00:21:43,283 --> 00:21:44,803
That's that's what it does.

483
00:21:44,853 --> 00:21:46,893
And this movie did a great job at that.

484
00:21:46,893 --> 00:21:50,473
And it's like I said, it was one
of the first of its time to come

485
00:21:50,473 --> 00:21:52,393
out with a found footage style.

486
00:21:53,093 --> 00:21:57,063
Um, we have the most terrifying.

487
00:21:58,003 --> 00:21:59,543
I mean, there's there's
a shot right there.

488
00:21:59,543 --> 00:21:59,823
Like

489
00:22:01,438 --> 00:22:02,438
In the corner.

490
00:22:03,333 --> 00:22:05,523
when he's standing in the
corner, and that's how ends

491
00:22:05,948 --> 00:22:06,528
Yes.

492
00:22:06,828 --> 00:22:08,093
haunted people for a long time.

493
00:22:08,093 --> 00:22:11,573
This image is stuck in
people's minds right here.

494
00:22:11,573 --> 00:22:12,487
Oh, yeah.

495
00:22:12,487 --> 00:22:13,858
I mean, me.

496
00:22:13,928 --> 00:22:20,688
the nose, uh, interview was parodied
and, and, you know, made fun of and

497
00:22:20,778 --> 00:22:24,638
brought back over and over again for the
next decade after this movie came out.

498
00:22:25,038 --> 00:22:26,618
It was like iconic images.

499
00:22:26,863 --> 00:22:29,423
of this movie that no
one's ever going to forget.

500
00:22:29,423 --> 00:22:31,943
The fear.

501
00:22:31,978 --> 00:22:33,318
we just started this whole episode.

502
00:22:33,318 --> 00:22:36,488
We just started talking about
this with, with a little homage.

503
00:22:36,528 --> 00:22:37,488
We got our beanies on.

504
00:22:37,508 --> 00:22:38,698
I got my flannel on.

505
00:22:39,208 --> 00:22:40,868
Like, I'm ready for the Blair Witch.

506
00:22:41,043 --> 00:22:42,183
the plaid shirt.

507
00:22:42,658 --> 00:22:44,298
Yeah, I, that's it.

508
00:22:44,308 --> 00:22:51,563
Like, this This movie, though, it
really did change an era, change

509
00:22:51,563 --> 00:22:55,033
the way we thought about movies,
regardless of how polarizing it was.

510
00:22:55,033 --> 00:22:57,913
I mean, some of the best things
out there are the most polarizing.

511
00:22:57,973 --> 00:22:58,823
Let's be real.

512
00:23:00,013 --> 00:23:01,193
What were your final thoughts on?

513
00:23:01,383 --> 00:23:02,343
Go ahead, you got something else?

514
00:23:02,453 --> 00:23:05,733
let's, let's just touch on some of the
things that they found in the woods.

515
00:23:05,733 --> 00:23:12,793
And I do want to mention that Wiccan
people, um, people who to the Wiccan

516
00:23:12,793 --> 00:23:18,383
faith, if you will, um, didn't
particularly like this movie and Um,

517
00:23:18,413 --> 00:23:21,748
you know, no surprise, it's because
they're like, you make witches look bad.

518
00:23:23,093 --> 00:23:30,223
the truth is, the movie was created out
of the folklore of witches being in the

519
00:23:30,223 --> 00:23:33,753
woods, and the woods being evil, right?

520
00:23:34,143 --> 00:23:38,543
And that has existed since the
beginning of folklore, um, Typically

521
00:23:38,543 --> 00:23:40,053
coming from a Christian background.

522
00:23:40,393 --> 00:23:46,583
A lot of those, um, fairy tales and
folklore we know about were designed,

523
00:23:46,603 --> 00:23:53,173
created, uh, written and told to warn
children and warn people about the

524
00:23:53,273 --> 00:23:56,163
evils of the untamed wilderness, right?

525
00:23:58,378 --> 00:23:59,718
So you have that idea.

526
00:23:59,718 --> 00:24:01,738
It's like, yeah, it does
make witches look bad.

527
00:24:01,738 --> 00:24:07,148
It does make, you know, certain
symbols like pentagrams or, um,

528
00:24:08,058 --> 00:24:10,268
a lot of people get scared when
they see symbols like that.

529
00:24:10,268 --> 00:24:13,618
And even when they go into the woods
and they have the piles of rocks,

530
00:24:13,628 --> 00:24:16,328
they get scared because they're
like, who put these rocks here?

531
00:24:16,363 --> 00:24:16,783
Yeah,

532
00:24:17,108 --> 00:24:23,593
And the, the hanging, um, kind of symbols
and things that are in the branches.

533
00:24:23,788 --> 00:24:27,148
They like walk around, they
find the voodoo shit, you

534
00:24:27,403 --> 00:24:31,183
let me jump in on that and tell you the
most unbelievable part in the whole movie.

535
00:24:31,363 --> 00:24:34,673
And it's when he says, Rednecks
aren't, can't be this creative.

536
00:24:34,673 --> 00:24:35,153
Yes, they can.

537
00:24:35,263 --> 00:24:36,633
I've, I've, I know Rednecks.

538
00:24:36,643 --> 00:24:37,543
I lived in Tennessee.

539
00:24:37,543 --> 00:24:38,883
I've seen more creative stuff than that.

540
00:24:39,173 --> 00:24:41,543
So that's the most unbelievable
part in the whole part.

541
00:24:41,773 --> 00:24:45,503
The whole movie is when he says,
Rednecks can't be this creative.

542
00:24:45,533 --> 00:24:46,113
Yeah, they can.

543
00:24:46,158 --> 00:24:46,568
okay.

544
00:24:46,598 --> 00:24:50,438
So we're offending witches and
rednecks all over the place here.

545
00:24:50,853 --> 00:24:51,493
go ahead though.

546
00:24:51,533 --> 00:24:52,223
But tell me more about.

547
00:24:52,388 --> 00:24:52,728
right.

548
00:24:52,948 --> 00:24:53,738
That's totally true.

549
00:24:53,768 --> 00:25:02,568
And, and honestly, that's just one of the
natural, um, even as children, we have

550
00:25:02,568 --> 00:25:07,628
these, um, natural tendencies to want to
create magic by bundling sticks together

551
00:25:07,928 --> 00:25:11,638
and making potions with mud and leaves
and herbs and whatever we find in the

552
00:25:11,638 --> 00:25:13,968
forest and, you know, things like that.

553
00:25:13,998 --> 00:25:17,028
It's our natural, like,
That's how kids play, right?

554
00:25:17,518 --> 00:25:21,358
When they see all these, like,
hanging, cool, like, you know,

555
00:25:21,398 --> 00:25:25,048
stick symbols and things like that,
and there's, like, one that looks

556
00:25:25,048 --> 00:25:29,138
like a hanging man, they had, like,
sculpted it into a, like, a twig man.

557
00:25:30,188 --> 00:25:35,838
All of that is symbology of certain
things, and it can be totally made up from

558
00:25:35,838 --> 00:25:39,868
someone who doesn't know anything about
witchcraft, or it could be intentional,

559
00:25:40,118 --> 00:25:45,703
like, I'm going to make this hanging
man and it's going to represent someone

560
00:25:45,703 --> 00:25:47,223
and, you know, putting it out there.

561
00:25:47,543 --> 00:25:54,283
Either way, I mean, it's all kind of part
of that, you know, society, but that sort

562
00:25:54,283 --> 00:25:57,023
of like symbolism that the wilderness has.

563
00:25:58,298 --> 00:25:58,698
That's awesome.

564
00:25:58,708 --> 00:26:01,248
That's great to point out
for people out there who are

565
00:26:01,248 --> 00:26:02,678
picking up those little pieces.

566
00:26:03,138 --> 00:26:10,258
And there's also some knowledge, I
guess, that the Blair Witch, it might

567
00:26:10,258 --> 00:26:11,498
have been based on the Bell Witch.

568
00:26:11,798 --> 00:26:15,468
Which, the Bell Witch was in Tennessee,
and there's a whole story about

569
00:26:15,468 --> 00:26:22,448
the Bell Witch basically attacking,
mostly invisible, the Bell Witch was

570
00:26:22,448 --> 00:26:26,216
invisible too, kind of how the movie
was, and attacked this Bell family.

571
00:26:26,268 --> 00:26:30,148
So, it's kind of loosely based on that.

572
00:26:30,563 --> 00:26:32,873
But, you know, how

573
00:26:32,923 --> 00:26:35,923
Well, in most of the folklore that you
see witches in, they're going to be

574
00:26:35,923 --> 00:26:39,573
in the woods because they're kind of
an outcast from society anyway, right?

575
00:26:39,573 --> 00:26:44,173
Baba Yaga, you know, those, those
stories, but even stories like Red

576
00:26:44,173 --> 00:26:48,433
Riding Hood or, you know, Um, you know,
most of the fairytales and folklore

577
00:26:48,433 --> 00:26:53,763
we know have something to do with
go, don't go in the woods, right?

578
00:26:53,763 --> 00:26:53,853
Yep.

579
00:26:54,153 --> 00:26:56,223
That the woods is where evil lies.

580
00:26:56,283 --> 00:26:58,263
Or darkness or the devil.

581
00:26:58,523 --> 00:27:03,423
And so if a witch is going to converse
with the devil, and we're gonna go into

582
00:27:03,423 --> 00:27:08,493
that in the witch movie, but it's all
going to happen in the wilderness or

583
00:27:08,493 --> 00:27:10,683
in the woods because they believed.

584
00:27:11,423 --> 00:27:14,883
least that's kind of the Christian
come from or the Christian ideology

585
00:27:14,883 --> 00:27:20,933
was that, um, that wilderness is bad,
that anything natural and wild is bad.

586
00:27:21,413 --> 00:27:28,243
Is conducive to evil, we need to be
tamed, we need to be, um, you know, our

587
00:27:28,243 --> 00:27:31,273
personal nature, but also the wilderness.

588
00:27:31,653 --> 00:27:37,313
So in order for like colonists and,
um, you know, coming from England

589
00:27:37,433 --> 00:27:40,313
or Europe to come and colonize
America, they would be like, well,

590
00:27:40,313 --> 00:27:42,593
we need to, we need to tame the wild.

591
00:27:43,043 --> 00:27:44,703
We need to convert the savages.

592
00:27:44,973 --> 00:27:50,603
We need to bulldoze this area of
all the trees, make a house, put

593
00:27:50,603 --> 00:27:55,263
fences around our property, make
our animals, put them into pens.

594
00:27:55,593 --> 00:27:58,773
Like we, we are going to
tame all this wilderness.

595
00:27:58,963 --> 00:28:00,633
It's manifest destiny, right?

596
00:28:01,103 --> 00:28:04,283
So that is where that
whole ideology comes from.

597
00:28:04,353 --> 00:28:08,903
Is that, um, you know, careful
of the woods because that's

598
00:28:08,903 --> 00:28:10,133
where evil lies, right?

599
00:28:11,093 --> 00:28:11,273
is,

600
00:28:12,813 --> 00:28:13,723
do you feel about the woods?

601
00:28:13,723 --> 00:28:14,373
You like the woods?

602
00:28:14,373 --> 00:28:15,898
Yeah.

603
00:28:16,013 --> 00:28:19,593
most people, most pagans, and even
non pagans, I mean I think most people

604
00:28:19,593 --> 00:28:24,313
will be like, actually, I feel the
most spiritual in the woods, in nature.

605
00:28:24,503 --> 00:28:27,183
When I go out, I feel my
natural self come out.

606
00:28:27,233 --> 00:28:32,433
I'm embracing the wildness of who
I really am, and that's connecting

607
00:28:32,433 --> 00:28:34,053
with the trees and the wilderness.

608
00:28:34,973 --> 00:28:36,563
danger in the wilderness.

609
00:28:36,583 --> 00:28:38,583
You can't, you have to respect it, right?

610
00:28:38,693 --> 00:28:43,753
The bears and the wolves live there and
they're just doing what's natural to them.

611
00:28:43,963 --> 00:28:45,723
They're not out to kill me.

612
00:28:45,723 --> 00:28:47,563
They're just going to do what's natural.

613
00:28:47,903 --> 00:28:50,213
So you have to respect that balance.

614
00:28:50,213 --> 00:28:51,743
You have to respect nature.

615
00:28:52,213 --> 00:28:57,343
Um, So, I mean, that's, that's where the
kind of conflict, I guess, comes in when

616
00:28:57,343 --> 00:29:01,553
it comes to like, why the Wiccan people
would have been upset with this movie is

617
00:29:01,553 --> 00:29:03,353
like, you're trying to make it look evil.

618
00:29:03,833 --> 00:29:05,672
You're playing into the whole idea, right?

619
00:29:05,903 --> 00:29:09,313
Which I think is just like, yeah,
and every other story that's ever

620
00:29:09,313 --> 00:29:12,860
been made about the woods from
the Christian perspective, right?

621
00:29:13,468 --> 00:29:17,178
Pretty much, I mean that's, you hit the
nail on the head there, and I want to

622
00:29:17,188 --> 00:29:19,648
get your final thoughts on Blair Witch.

623
00:29:20,093 --> 00:29:23,303
Before we get to the, to the, to
the witch and get more into it.

624
00:29:23,623 --> 00:29:28,983
So final thoughts, would
you watch this movie again?

625
00:29:29,323 --> 00:29:30,303
Did you like it?

626
00:29:31,223 --> 00:29:32,383
What stood out?

627
00:29:32,573 --> 00:29:33,403
All that kind of stuff.

628
00:29:33,403 --> 00:29:33,853
What do you think?

629
00:29:34,828 --> 00:29:43,638
I love this movie probably more for what
it is, how different, how innovative, how,

630
00:29:46,018 --> 00:29:47,638
yeah, just, um.

631
00:29:49,063 --> 00:29:51,563
different it was made and all of that.

632
00:29:51,663 --> 00:29:54,573
I don't know if I need to
watch it a bunch more times.

633
00:29:55,053 --> 00:29:58,673
I would watch it again, I guess,
but it's like, okay, I've seen it.

634
00:29:59,033 --> 00:30:00,403
I know what it's all about.

635
00:30:00,723 --> 00:30:04,973
Um, the movie itself, I've
picked it apart by minute.

636
00:30:04,973 --> 00:30:09,183
So I'm like, I'm good there, but I'm
just like, I'm more impressed and

637
00:30:09,193 --> 00:30:11,253
wowed by the making of it, I guess.

638
00:30:12,063 --> 00:30:12,993
That's where I'm at.

639
00:30:13,113 --> 00:30:16,043
And this movie came out in 99.

640
00:30:16,093 --> 00:30:17,503
This is 2024.

641
00:30:20,248 --> 00:30:23,298
Kind of held up, kind of
didn't hold up in some regards.

642
00:30:23,388 --> 00:30:26,488
There's other found footage movies
out now that might be better.

643
00:30:26,958 --> 00:30:28,838
Definitely a whole lot
more that are worse.

644
00:30:29,418 --> 00:30:30,618
This one definitely started it.

645
00:30:30,688 --> 00:30:37,368
I do love that it's, to me, it's a piece
of art, piece of art in every kind of way,

646
00:30:37,413 --> 00:30:42,398
because you had the real life bleed in,
you had all that kind of stuff going on in

647
00:30:42,398 --> 00:30:45,428
the press, the PR, with the movie itself.

648
00:30:45,428 --> 00:30:47,238
Like the movie itself was fun to watch.

649
00:30:48,608 --> 00:30:53,328
Not only that, this thing only
made, it cost 60, 000 to make.

650
00:30:53,858 --> 00:30:54,368
Well, hold on.

651
00:30:54,368 --> 00:30:59,898
59, 550 because they returned
that camera to Circuit City.

652
00:31:00,363 --> 00:31:00,823
Right.

653
00:31:00,833 --> 00:31:00,853
In

654
00:31:01,153 --> 00:31:04,648
Made 248 million.

655
00:31:04,648 --> 00:31:05,773
For every

656
00:31:06,073 --> 00:31:06,543
the box

657
00:31:06,843 --> 00:31:10,218
1 they spent, it was
about 11, 000 in return.

658
00:31:10,708 --> 00:31:11,628
You don't get that anywhere else.

659
00:31:11,748 --> 00:31:12,908
There's never been another movie.

660
00:31:12,908 --> 00:31:17,028
This is the top budget to box
office ratio movie of all time.

661
00:31:18,148 --> 00:31:21,468
It's hard to ignore that they did
some stuff right and did a lot right.

662
00:31:21,968 --> 00:31:23,513
to set the stage for what came later.

663
00:31:24,103 --> 00:31:26,073
So, that's my final thoughts.

664
00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:26,983
I love the movie.

665
00:31:27,983 --> 00:31:30,043
I wish I had the picture
of the Blaze Witch Project.

666
00:31:30,043 --> 00:31:33,419
I think it was one of my
first wrestling performances.

667
00:31:33,419 --> 00:31:33,793
Shake

668
00:31:35,463 --> 00:31:38,883
mean, if you want to get the effect, I
could just grab my camera and like run

669
00:31:38,883 --> 00:31:40,813
around the house for a minute, but yeah.

670
00:31:40,953 --> 00:31:41,503
it real hard.

671
00:31:41,513 --> 00:31:45,383
You gotta, I mean, honestly, cameras
today aren't even made for that.

672
00:31:45,383 --> 00:31:49,423
Like, your iPhone camera, they got auto
stabilizing on it and all this stuff.

673
00:31:49,433 --> 00:31:50,853
You can't even have those kinds of shots.

674
00:31:51,153 --> 00:31:57,383
a movie far better with your, with
your own phone camera nowadays.

675
00:31:58,283 --> 00:31:58,973
Absolutely.

676
00:32:00,223 --> 00:32:01,453
Let's get to the witch.

677
00:32:01,503 --> 00:32:09,728
Robert Eggers A 24 I I caught
this movie late at night.

678
00:32:09,888 --> 00:32:11,358
I put it off for a long time.

679
00:32:11,418 --> 00:32:16,068
It came out in 2015, and I don't know.

680
00:32:16,068 --> 00:32:18,158
I maybe, I don't even know
if I watched the trailer.

681
00:32:18,178 --> 00:32:19,908
I probably heard it was boring.

682
00:32:19,958 --> 00:32:22,268
I saw, oh, it's set in the 1600s.

683
00:32:22,968 --> 00:32:24,838
Ugh, how good could it

684
00:32:26,113 --> 00:32:26,713
everybody's worried.

685
00:32:26,713 --> 00:32:27,823
It's a history lesson.

686
00:32:28,518 --> 00:32:28,538
be?

687
00:32:28,578 --> 00:32:29,458
And it kind of was.

688
00:32:29,488 --> 00:32:31,398
It kind of was.

689
00:32:32,638 --> 00:32:35,838
It was very true to the times.

690
00:32:35,948 --> 00:32:36,848
I mean, I wasn't there.

691
00:32:36,858 --> 00:32:37,478
You were there.

692
00:32:37,478 --> 00:32:41,928
You were around in the 1630s,
apparently, but this is

693
00:32:42,063 --> 00:32:43,713
life is so much more hard back then,

694
00:32:44,013 --> 00:32:47,463
What's, what's funny, what's, what's
fun and ironic about this is that

695
00:32:47,513 --> 00:32:53,093
this is set in the same time period
that the autopsy of Jane Doe, her

696
00:32:53,093 --> 00:32:54,993
body would have come from, apparently.

697
00:32:55,983 --> 00:32:56,923
This is the time period.

698
00:32:56,923 --> 00:33:00,023
So now we're watching, this is
where Jane Doe's time was, so I

699
00:33:00,023 --> 00:33:02,723
tried to look at it like that also
and think, oh, where's Jane Doe?

700
00:33:03,213 --> 00:33:04,013
In the middle of all this.

701
00:33:05,253 --> 00:33:10,143
This movie though, the
atmosphere, uh, it's, it's bleak.

702
00:33:11,253 --> 00:33:12,633
It's dreary.

703
00:33:13,103 --> 00:33:13,443
It is.

704
00:33:13,493 --> 00:33:17,483
A lot of gray skies and they
used natural lighting and almost

705
00:33:17,483 --> 00:33:19,463
the whole making of the movie.

706
00:33:19,463 --> 00:33:25,183
So even like they, they just used
like a three wick candle kind of thing

707
00:33:25,183 --> 00:33:29,753
for the candlelight, but for the most
part it was just natural lighting,

708
00:33:29,753 --> 00:33:31,643
which made it very dismal, right.

709
00:33:32,583 --> 00:33:36,343
And it fits 1630s, because if I'm
thinking 1630s, that's about what

710
00:33:36,343 --> 00:33:37,653
I would expect it to look like.

711
00:33:37,663 --> 00:33:42,013
I would think, yeah, 1630s in
the winter, out in the cold.

712
00:33:42,293 --> 00:33:48,293
Farm and the woods and let's just get to
it because the way that the movie starts

713
00:33:49,453 --> 00:33:51,393
they basically you get banished from

714
00:33:51,733 --> 00:33:55,663
Yeah, I actually had to like look
into this first part a couple of

715
00:33:55,703 --> 00:33:59,713
times because I was, starts almost
like in the middle of the story.

716
00:34:00,013 --> 00:34:00,483
Yeah,

717
00:34:00,533 --> 00:34:01,153
Don't you think?

718
00:34:01,163 --> 00:34:03,853
Like, they're banishing
him from the village.

719
00:34:04,328 --> 00:34:05,978
But why?

720
00:34:06,358 --> 00:34:08,918
You don't really get,
like, it's not super clear.

721
00:34:09,158 --> 00:34:13,028
You have to kind of decipher it based
on what he says and what they say.

722
00:34:13,938 --> 00:34:18,838
and as close as I can get, and from what
the forums on the internet, you know,

723
00:34:18,928 --> 00:34:20,738
people have kind of, like, discussed it.

724
00:34:21,688 --> 00:34:25,318
uh, These are the Puritans, right?

725
00:34:25,568 --> 00:34:31,068
So you have like the um, core of a lot
of witch trials and things happening

726
00:34:31,078 --> 00:34:35,488
in England back in like the 15th
century, um, to the 17th century.

727
00:34:35,718 --> 00:34:39,258
That was carried over into those
witch trials happening in the 17th

728
00:34:39,268 --> 00:34:42,608
century in New England here in America.

729
00:34:43,578 --> 00:34:48,078
Well, this is when the Puritans leave
England because they don't believe the

730
00:34:48,178 --> 00:34:51,003
King's Church is Rigid enough, right?

731
00:34:51,253 --> 00:34:52,843
They're like, they're allowing too much.

732
00:34:53,103 --> 00:34:55,943
They're taking too much
liberties with the gospel.

733
00:34:55,953 --> 00:34:58,773
So we're going to be more pure.

734
00:34:58,993 --> 00:35:03,423
We're going to go by the
gospel in pure, you know, ways.

735
00:35:03,483 --> 00:35:04,783
And so they, they, they go.

736
00:35:05,143 --> 00:35:09,303
Thus the Puritans are born and they
come from England to America hoping

737
00:35:09,313 --> 00:35:12,813
to be able to create a community where
they're going to be real strict with

738
00:35:12,813 --> 00:35:18,053
their religious, you know, fervor,
like their devotion and all that.

739
00:35:18,473 --> 00:35:20,943
And I think what they're saying
here in the beginning is that,

740
00:35:20,973 --> 00:35:25,233
um, the father of this family is
like, you have become too lax.

741
00:35:26,538 --> 00:35:30,958
You know, we came from England, we
set this community up, this village,

742
00:35:30,958 --> 00:35:35,118
we, we sacrificed so much so that
we could be here and practice

743
00:35:35,118 --> 00:35:38,573
our faith and you, are too lax

744
00:35:38,873 --> 00:35:39,343
mm hmm.

745
00:35:39,458 --> 00:35:44,748
faith, I guess, meaning that he and
his family want to be more strict

746
00:35:45,093 --> 00:35:45,393
Yep.

747
00:35:45,498 --> 00:35:46,588
these Puritans.

748
00:35:47,308 --> 00:35:49,578
And so he's banished
to go live on his own.

749
00:35:50,163 --> 00:35:53,463
All right, we see how strict they
are later on like he's they are

750
00:35:53,463 --> 00:35:57,833
very very strict in their religious
Religion and they are banished.

751
00:35:57,843 --> 00:36:02,443
So the family is exiled from the
Puritan plantation Then they go

752
00:36:02,463 --> 00:36:05,573
set up camp in a dense dark forest.

753
00:36:05,603 --> 00:36:07,083
I don't know why why
would you pick that place?

754
00:36:09,088 --> 00:36:09,778
What did it have?

755
00:36:10,288 --> 00:36:14,468
I imagine that there was just enough of a
clearing to be able to clear some of the

756
00:36:14,468 --> 00:36:20,448
trees and make some structures so that
they could, you know, have protection.

757
00:36:21,058 --> 00:36:29,038
And, mean again, they're coming from
a mentality or a mindset that is evil.

758
00:36:29,338 --> 00:36:29,788
Yeah.

759
00:36:30,118 --> 00:36:37,208
so like the trees, the forest, their
idea of that is nothing good out there.

760
00:36:37,208 --> 00:36:42,088
So this is a clear enough clearing,
we can set up our, you know, safe

761
00:36:42,088 --> 00:36:48,418
space, um, and fences, and maybe have
some protection from whatever the

762
00:36:48,418 --> 00:36:49,798
wilderness is going to have in it.

763
00:36:50,008 --> 00:36:52,588
I mean, wolves, things like that.

764
00:36:53,068 --> 00:36:53,458
Rabbits.

765
00:36:53,458 --> 00:36:56,528
We're gonna get into the rabbit symbolism
because there's a lot of rabbits in there.

766
00:36:56,908 --> 00:36:57,528
Yeah.

767
00:36:58,198 --> 00:37:02,668
But the movie, when they, when they go
to the farm, they, they, they get exiled.

768
00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:03,458
They move out.

769
00:37:05,148 --> 00:37:09,848
Things already, they, they, The downward
spiral begins because right at the

770
00:37:09,848 --> 00:37:10,818
beginning, they're already on edge.

771
00:37:10,848 --> 00:37:11,558
They get on edge.

772
00:37:11,568 --> 00:37:12,598
They're already on edge because they left.

773
00:37:13,218 --> 00:37:15,108
And then the baby disappears.

774
00:37:15,588 --> 00:37:16,258
Not a good start.

775
00:37:17,003 --> 00:37:17,573
Not a good one.

776
00:37:17,968 --> 00:37:18,978
Creepiest part.

777
00:37:19,603 --> 00:37:25,493
I have to say, like, just about anybody,
I don't know anybody wouldn't be watching

778
00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:29,153
a movie and be like, Don't hurt the baby!

779
00:37:29,453 --> 00:37:29,853
Yes.

780
00:37:29,933 --> 00:37:31,533
get babies involved!

781
00:37:31,933 --> 00:37:34,683
Like, that's the peak of horror to me.

782
00:37:34,713 --> 00:37:37,153
It's like, you really want to rattle me?

783
00:37:37,453 --> 00:37:40,753
Put a baby involved in the
horrors of what's going on.

784
00:37:40,893 --> 00:37:41,403
That's,

785
00:37:42,663 --> 00:37:51,143
The baby disappearing at the beginning
is, it lights the fuse to that slow burn.

786
00:37:51,653 --> 00:37:52,233
mm hmm.

787
00:37:52,763 --> 00:37:54,483
The slow burn of tension.

788
00:37:55,813 --> 00:38:00,243
The rest of the movie you always feel like
something's lurking, right out of sight.

789
00:38:01,413 --> 00:38:02,963
Like you said, the natural light.

790
00:38:03,658 --> 00:38:09,038
Makes you even more immersed in what's
going on, you're in the woods, this

791
00:38:09,038 --> 00:38:14,388
movie is another classic example of A24
being able to isolate you with them,

792
00:38:15,133 --> 00:38:16,093
Yes.

793
00:38:16,098 --> 00:38:21,178
into it, like you can't, it's almost like
you can't pause the movie, you can't leave

794
00:38:21,178 --> 00:38:27,348
the room, you can't get out of there,
and you're stuck in the 17th century,

795
00:38:27,398 --> 00:38:31,768
and it's scary, it's scary as hell, like
you're, you're there with them, and a

796
00:38:31,768 --> 00:38:36,083
lot of people will say that's boring,
No, I didn't think so because sure it

797
00:38:36,083 --> 00:38:42,763
is if you are watching that movie and
you're in the 2024 or whatever you're

798
00:38:42,763 --> 00:38:46,763
at, if you're in this present time and
you don't try to put yourself where they

799
00:38:46,763 --> 00:38:48,663
are, sure it's boring because guess what?

800
00:38:48,903 --> 00:38:49,883
They're not all doing this.

801
00:38:50,713 --> 00:38:52,993
They don't, they don't
have TVs in front of them.

802
00:38:52,993 --> 00:38:54,023
They don't have all this.

803
00:38:54,448 --> 00:38:55,078
And you know what?

804
00:38:55,088 --> 00:38:57,588
They had too much work to do
to be doing any of that anyway.

805
00:38:57,648 --> 00:38:58,888
There was not a lot of idle.

806
00:38:58,888 --> 00:39:01,588
In fact, you know,
again, idleness is a sin.

807
00:39:01,608 --> 00:39:04,578
So they, they even, you hear them
reprimand each other for that.

808
00:39:04,608 --> 00:39:06,258
Like, what are you doing sitting idle?

809
00:39:06,548 --> 00:39:08,138
And like, how dare you be idle?

810
00:39:08,218 --> 00:39:08,488
Um.

811
00:39:09,453 --> 00:39:10,233
I love the verbiage.

812
00:39:10,233 --> 00:39:12,693
I love the, the, the spoken dialogue.

813
00:39:12,753 --> 00:39:13,803
I love the way they talked.

814
00:39:14,423 --> 00:39:18,743
I mean the, the title itself,
the Viva Itch, the two Vs.

815
00:39:19,133 --> 00:39:24,673
That's on purpose because the letter W
was not common yet by then, by the 1630s.

816
00:39:25,263 --> 00:39:28,573
So even the title itself
reflected historical accuracy,

817
00:39:28,603 --> 00:39:29,353
which I thought was very,

818
00:39:29,843 --> 00:39:35,673
Yeah, it's called Jacobean English, by the
way, they were gonna have a backstory for

819
00:39:35,673 --> 00:39:40,913
this family that they had come from Sussex
in England, but, um, the director liked

820
00:39:40,953 --> 00:39:47,743
the father, you, you'll to tell us his
name, the actor, and he's from Yorkshire,

821
00:39:47,743 --> 00:39:51,413
so they decided to change the backstory
because they liked his accent so much.

822
00:39:52,103 --> 00:39:52,603
Um,

823
00:39:52,953 --> 00:39:54,333
that's Ralph Anderson.

824
00:39:54,903 --> 00:39:55,313
Now

825
00:39:55,613 --> 00:39:56,053
Yes.

826
00:39:56,353 --> 00:39:57,853
that guy's voice you talking about that.

827
00:39:57,883 --> 00:39:59,473
'cause he plays the main
character in the Witch.

828
00:39:59,473 --> 00:40:00,223
He plays William

829
00:40:00,783 --> 00:40:01,203
Yes.

830
00:40:01,503 --> 00:40:03,083
Ralph Anderson's voice.

831
00:40:03,803 --> 00:40:04,253
Oh,

832
00:40:05,343 --> 00:40:06,123
Gravelly.

833
00:40:06,753 --> 00:40:07,383
yeah.

834
00:40:07,683 --> 00:40:08,083
Now,

835
00:40:08,613 --> 00:40:11,063
He could, he could read me
some bedtime stories at night.

836
00:40:11,103 --> 00:40:12,463
I'd be okay with that.

837
00:40:13,043 --> 00:40:18,703
I think his, the tone, literally the
tone of his voice fits this movie so

838
00:40:18,703 --> 00:40:22,473
well because you are forced to listen.

839
00:40:23,133 --> 00:40:27,083
Now, he's, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a fan
of his because he's done, he did

840
00:40:27,083 --> 00:40:29,713
Loreth's, Loreth's voice in Diablo 4.

841
00:40:30,173 --> 00:40:33,083
He's a video game character voice also.

842
00:40:33,083 --> 00:40:33,433
So

843
00:40:33,933 --> 00:40:34,503
That's why.

844
00:40:34,543 --> 00:40:35,003
Yeah.

845
00:40:35,353 --> 00:40:39,813
his voice, I was like, Oh, I know
this, you know, it's distinct.

846
00:40:40,273 --> 00:40:43,033
Let's talk about the, the director,
because you mentioned him, Robert Eggers.

847
00:40:43,343 --> 00:40:43,953
Yes.

848
00:40:44,253 --> 00:40:49,763
Now, Robert Eggers, who, by the way,
let me tell you he's got a new movie

849
00:40:49,763 --> 00:40:52,603
coming out Christmas this year.

850
00:40:54,353 --> 00:40:55,883
Guess what Robert Eggers just did?

851
00:40:56,283 --> 00:40:57,313
Nosferatu.

852
00:40:59,403 --> 00:41:01,753
Nosferatu will be dropping
at Christmas this year.

853
00:41:02,653 --> 00:41:03,533
He made The Witch.

854
00:41:03,533 --> 00:41:06,823
He made A24's The Lighthouse,
which had Robert Pattinson in it.

855
00:41:06,833 --> 00:41:07,373
That's a great one.

856
00:41:07,673 --> 00:41:08,883
That was, yeah.

857
00:41:09,183 --> 00:41:09,743
That's a weird one.

858
00:41:10,593 --> 00:41:11,273
As they all are.

859
00:41:11,273 --> 00:41:15,553
So this guy, I can't wait to see what
Robert does with, you Nosferatu, cause

860
00:41:15,553 --> 00:41:20,303
that's a, that's a horror classic there,
and, you know, that's the one with the

861
00:41:20,303 --> 00:41:24,403
vampire, and that's the iconic scene
of Nosferatu, that was, that was a

862
00:41:24,403 --> 00:41:27,913
silent movie too, so, I can't wait for
that, but that's coming out this year.

863
00:41:28,603 --> 00:41:32,683
But he, but he made, but the witch, he put
so much time and effort into the witch,

864
00:41:32,983 --> 00:41:33,313
Yeah.

865
00:41:33,323 --> 00:41:36,083
Doesn't he have like a carpentry
background or something and

866
00:41:36,403 --> 00:41:39,023
they had to make everything
from scratch for this movie.

867
00:41:39,323 --> 00:41:40,113
I can't stop.

868
00:41:40,413 --> 00:41:43,083
that was like authentic
to the time period.

869
00:41:43,113 --> 00:41:44,543
So they just, they had to make it

870
00:41:45,443 --> 00:41:46,123
Which is awesome.

871
00:41:46,123 --> 00:41:48,483
I mean, that's what they did then.

872
00:41:48,483 --> 00:41:50,583
They

873
00:41:50,953 --> 00:41:51,683
we have around us.

874
00:41:52,543 --> 00:41:56,003
weren't, they weren't ordering shit on
Amazon and getting it sent overnight.

875
00:41:56,023 --> 00:41:56,553
Like they had a,

876
00:41:58,993 --> 00:42:00,013
let's get back to the movie.

877
00:42:00,023 --> 00:42:03,940
Let's talk about the part
where your baby disappears.

878
00:42:04,143 --> 00:42:07,893
You got stuff going on in
Samuel, baby Samuel vanished.

879
00:42:08,508 --> 00:42:09,858
Under promises care.

880
00:42:11,568 --> 00:42:11,948
Go ahead.

881
00:42:11,998 --> 00:42:12,308
Go ahead.

882
00:42:12,308 --> 00:42:12,808
You had something there?

883
00:42:12,938 --> 00:42:17,838
the folklore behind witches taking
babies and children is very common.

884
00:42:17,838 --> 00:42:19,658
You hear that a lot in a lot of stories.

885
00:42:20,158 --> 00:42:23,858
Um, one, they told this to children,
first of all, to scare them into doing,

886
00:42:24,008 --> 00:42:28,438
to behaving, which, you know, could
be effective if, you know, you don't

887
00:42:28,478 --> 00:42:33,798
know anything about psychological
trauma, but, uh, they told that, you

888
00:42:33,798 --> 00:42:38,308
know, don't behave if you don't stay
out of the woods, the witch is going

889
00:42:38,308 --> 00:42:44,103
to get you, um, and, Witches like to
eat babies, Hansel and Gretel, we're

890
00:42:44,103 --> 00:42:46,430
gonna get eaten by a witch in the woods.

891
00:42:47,393 --> 00:42:52,113
is very, uh, very common in folklore,
but it might originate from the fact that

892
00:42:52,113 --> 00:42:54,453
a lot of accused witches were midwives,

893
00:42:54,838 --> 00:42:55,348
Ah.

894
00:42:55,383 --> 00:43:01,093
and midwives were helping women
with their, um, reproductive needs.

895
00:43:01,133 --> 00:43:06,433
So whether they needed help in
birthing a baby or getting pregnant.

896
00:43:06,463 --> 00:43:10,193
They also helped with abortions
or with, um, contraception,

897
00:43:11,383 --> 00:43:12,783
herbs, things like that.

898
00:43:13,163 --> 00:43:20,043
So you can understand how in some other
face, they might have demonized midwives

899
00:43:20,193 --> 00:43:23,233
as witches who kill babies, right?

900
00:43:24,628 --> 00:43:25,608
Yeah, it totally makes sense.

901
00:43:25,663 --> 00:43:26,563
where that comes from.

902
00:43:26,868 --> 00:43:28,138
Yeah, it totally makes sense.

903
00:43:28,138 --> 00:43:34,090
Now, is there any kind of symbolism
with the silver cup that gets

904
00:43:35,248 --> 00:43:36,348
Or am I jumping ahead here?

905
00:43:36,348 --> 00:43:42,068
Because once they Establish that
Samuel disappeared under Thomas's care.

906
00:43:42,068 --> 00:43:44,388
You've already got the hint
that she may be a witch.

907
00:43:47,268 --> 00:43:50,558
Take us to when Catherine blames Thomasin.

908
00:43:50,598 --> 00:43:51,368
Catherine's the mom.

909
00:43:51,378 --> 00:43:52,558
She blames Thomasin of,

910
00:43:53,073 --> 00:43:53,583
Yes.

911
00:43:53,718 --> 00:43:54,598
uh, stealing that.

912
00:43:54,658 --> 00:43:55,528
It was a silver cup.

913
00:43:55,748 --> 00:43:56,318
Was that right?

914
00:43:56,783 --> 00:43:57,423
Yes.

915
00:43:57,483 --> 00:43:57,943
Yeah.

916
00:43:57,993 --> 00:44:02,473
It turns out the father had stolen it or
had taken it and traded it so that they

917
00:44:02,473 --> 00:44:04,903
could survive and the corn was dying.

918
00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:10,083
These, this family is not doing real
well with their banishment, again,

919
00:44:10,083 --> 00:44:14,163
you have that isolation you talked
about and it's like, that's what it

920
00:44:14,173 --> 00:44:16,503
meant in those days to be isolated.

921
00:44:16,563 --> 00:44:17,323
It meant death.

922
00:44:17,633 --> 00:44:23,253
I mean, whether you have a witch hunting
you down or not, being a family alone out

923
00:44:23,253 --> 00:44:26,663
there in the wilderness, trying to kind of
make their own little seldom settlement.

924
00:44:27,528 --> 00:44:29,548
Mm hmm.

925
00:44:29,848 --> 00:44:35,398
impossible anyway, but, um, but I do want
to point out like the corn was failing.

926
00:44:35,458 --> 00:44:35,958
Okay.

927
00:44:36,568 --> 00:44:40,688
A lot of times in the new settlements
in New England, corn was failing

928
00:44:40,698 --> 00:44:43,438
because didn't have corn in England.

929
00:44:44,088 --> 00:44:48,618
When they mention corn in older texts,
they're actually just talking about grain.

930
00:44:49,068 --> 00:44:53,018
So they're talking about oats and barley
and things that they had in England.

931
00:44:53,388 --> 00:44:56,738
When they came to America to
settle here, corn was a new thing.

932
00:44:56,778 --> 00:44:58,208
It was a new kind of grain.

933
00:44:58,798 --> 00:45:03,008
And the natives, uh, the indigenous
people of the area always grew

934
00:45:03,058 --> 00:45:05,738
corn with beans and squash.

935
00:45:05,758 --> 00:45:07,158
They call them the three sisters.

936
00:45:08,028 --> 00:45:09,658
shout out to Braiding Sweetgrass.

937
00:45:09,658 --> 00:45:11,818
This is straight from that book.

938
00:45:11,818 --> 00:45:14,698
So if you haven't read Braiding
Sweetgrass, I totally recommend it.

939
00:45:15,108 --> 00:45:16,698
But they talk about the
three sisters, right?

940
00:45:16,708 --> 00:45:20,948
So they're not growing corn appropriate,
like, the way it's supposed to be.

941
00:45:21,108 --> 00:45:24,928
There's not enough nitrates
in the soil without beans to

942
00:45:24,928 --> 00:45:26,578
be able to cultivate corn.

943
00:45:26,938 --> 00:45:32,578
So, Their corn is failing, they're gonna
starve, has to sell the silver cup,

944
00:45:35,278 --> 00:45:41,308
um, symbology wise, silver cup or chalice
is a very, uh, a balance of, it's,

945
00:45:41,358 --> 00:45:44,018
it's a very feminine character, okay?

946
00:45:44,018 --> 00:45:49,068
So the, the silver cup that's missing
is, you could call it its own character.

947
00:45:49,118 --> 00:45:53,978
It's the chalice, or the symbol
of the womb, and silver, the

948
00:45:53,978 --> 00:45:57,258
symbol of the moon, female energy.

949
00:45:58,413 --> 00:46:02,103
So, I mean, you could almost replace it
for every time they talk about that silver

950
00:46:02,103 --> 00:46:03,653
cup, they're talking about femininity.

951
00:46:04,488 --> 00:46:05,488
Ah, I love that.

952
00:46:05,488 --> 00:46:10,953
So that's great symbolism there
and greatly explained I got a

953
00:46:10,953 --> 00:46:13,995
whole other take on this movie
because you mentioned the corn.

954
00:46:14,093 --> 00:46:19,053
I'm gonna talk to you right here, and I'm
gonna tell you what the actual meaning

955
00:46:19,053 --> 00:46:26,733
of this movie is, and there's no witch,
there's nothing if you pay attention

956
00:46:26,733 --> 00:46:30,453
in the background, the corn is rotting.

957
00:46:30,453 --> 00:46:35,148
It's got a, it's got a fungus
called ergot now, ergot.

958
00:46:35,443 --> 00:46:40,843
Urgot is something from,
from that, that is a, uh, uh,

959
00:46:41,133 --> 00:46:44,973
basically, uh, infestation of corn.

960
00:46:45,223 --> 00:46:46,933
Now here's what it'll do
without people knowing.

961
00:46:47,093 --> 00:46:49,483
And I, you can see the corn
deteriorating in the background

962
00:46:49,513 --> 00:46:50,833
and I know it's got Urgot.

963
00:46:52,073 --> 00:46:57,203
It will, it will get basically, it will,
this is, this is the symptoms that you

964
00:46:57,203 --> 00:47:03,713
can have from Urgot is convulsions,
muscle spasms, vomiting, hallucinations.

965
00:47:06,403 --> 00:47:09,623
You could watch this whole movie and
think, Hey, they're getting poisoned

966
00:47:09,623 --> 00:47:11,183
by the corn and they're hallucinating.

967
00:47:11,493 --> 00:47:14,563
I'd love for people to watch
it again and have that in mind.

968
00:47:14,583 --> 00:47:17,693
And then it's not a horror movie, it's
A whole other kind of horror movie.

969
00:47:17,693 --> 00:47:19,229
I like to think there's a witch there.

970
00:47:19,229 --> 00:47:22,533
I like to think there's a witch there,
but I did want to point that out because

971
00:47:22,863 --> 00:47:26,033
the corn rotting in the background,
I think there's something to that.

972
00:47:26,283 --> 00:47:31,173
And ergot is that fungus that gets
into people's nervous systems and

973
00:47:31,173 --> 00:47:33,693
can cause you to have hallucinations.

974
00:47:34,088 --> 00:47:39,138
Convulsions, all the pain, vomiting,
all the stuff that we see later.

975
00:47:39,138 --> 00:47:40,498
So what do you think about that?

976
00:47:40,538 --> 00:47:43,518
That little theory I put out
there, the, the corn being fungus.

977
00:47:43,943 --> 00:47:45,333
that makes perfect sense too.

978
00:47:45,363 --> 00:47:49,703
I like that, that take on it because I
was going to ask you, did you think that

979
00:47:49,703 --> 00:47:51,633
Thomasin was a witch the entire time?

980
00:47:52,123 --> 00:47:58,043
Or is this like the, um, the good
old story of, uh, I wasn't a witch

981
00:47:58,093 --> 00:48:00,663
until you made me one kind of a thing?

982
00:48:00,773 --> 00:48:01,893
Like in Jane Doe.

983
00:48:02,748 --> 00:48:07,678
Now, I like the theory about the corn
being poisoned and having fungus and them

984
00:48:07,678 --> 00:48:09,805
just hallucinating, but I'm a witch fan.

985
00:48:09,938 --> 00:48:11,798
So I'm going to say there's a witch there.

986
00:48:12,428 --> 00:48:18,988
I'm gonna say that she's a little more
on the witch side than Jane Doe was.

987
00:48:20,163 --> 00:48:21,668
Before Jane Doe became a witch.

988
00:48:21,708 --> 00:48:25,938
I think Thomasin might have
been at least interested in what

989
00:48:25,958 --> 00:48:27,298
witchcraft, what was going on.

990
00:48:27,358 --> 00:48:28,168
That kind of stuff.

991
00:48:28,518 --> 00:48:30,848
You see it later with Black
Phillip, the goat, like all

992
00:48:30,848 --> 00:48:32,238
these things are coming together.

993
00:48:32,578 --> 00:48:37,158
And I think Thomasin might have,
she might have made a pact.

994
00:48:37,573 --> 00:48:39,533
Uh, I don't know.

995
00:48:39,533 --> 00:48:40,303
What do you think?

996
00:48:41,178 --> 00:48:47,638
Well, I think there's something
actually to the twins having made

997
00:48:47,638 --> 00:48:49,518
some bargain they weren't aware of.

998
00:48:49,588 --> 00:48:50,928
I mean, they're just children.

999
00:48:50,938 --> 00:48:52,888
They're, they're playing and having fun.

1000
00:48:52,888 --> 00:48:57,118
And if a goat talks to them, they
might be like, okay, whatever

1001
00:48:57,118 --> 00:48:58,718
you say, Black Phillip, the goat.

1002
00:48:59,088 --> 00:49:03,448
And the little girl Mercy is singing
songs about Black Phillip, their

1003
00:49:03,448 --> 00:49:06,088
goat, the entire movie at all.

1004
00:49:06,088 --> 00:49:07,391
And she's like, I'm a witch.

1005
00:49:07,391 --> 00:49:08,043
I'm a witch.

1006
00:49:08,043 --> 00:49:09,488
Clickety clackety, clickety clackety.

1007
00:49:10,893 --> 00:49:13,183
Black Philip, that's a
reference to Baphomet.

1008
00:49:13,183 --> 00:49:17,803
I mean, that's Baphomet, which is
the, you know, devil reincarnate, I

1009
00:49:17,803 --> 00:49:19,263
guess, if you want to call it that, but

1010
00:49:19,358 --> 00:49:19,658
Mm hmm.

1011
00:49:20,313 --> 00:49:24,443
the lyrics in the song, Black Philip
is the lions from the lion's den.

1012
00:49:24,453 --> 00:49:30,468
Like there's some really, really vivid
stuff in there that we'll see it later.

1013
00:49:30,888 --> 00:49:35,588
We see slaughtered lambs in the
stable, black Phillips standing there.

1014
00:49:35,678 --> 00:49:37,298
All this is in the climax.

1015
00:49:37,693 --> 00:49:38,123
Yeah,

1016
00:49:38,158 --> 00:49:42,448
The lyrics to that song are just
disturbing, unnerving, all that.

1017
00:49:42,608 --> 00:49:43,548
And the kids are singing them.

1018
00:49:44,018 --> 00:49:46,018
Once again, you got the
kids doing the dirty work.

1019
00:49:46,388 --> 00:49:48,858
Making me feel Like that's

1020
00:49:48,943 --> 00:49:52,743
they're not aware of what they're doing
or what's going on, but I think they play

1021
00:49:52,743 --> 00:49:56,403
a part in what, what ends up happening.

1022
00:49:56,530 --> 00:49:58,823
Like how, how the events play out.

1023
00:49:59,133 --> 00:50:02,083
Cause from the very beginning, and
let me just give a shout out to

1024
00:50:02,083 --> 00:50:03,543
all the oldest daughters out there.

1025
00:50:03,563 --> 00:50:04,513
I'm an oldest daughter.

1026
00:50:04,513 --> 00:50:05,073
Okay.

1027
00:50:05,553 --> 00:50:08,243
And, um, I just want all
the oldest daughters.

1028
00:50:08,413 --> 00:50:09,303
I see you.

1029
00:50:09,903 --> 00:50:12,738
Okay, here's Thomason doing her best.

1030
00:50:13,108 --> 00:50:17,488
She's out there like cleaning
out the stables and the twins

1031
00:50:17,488 --> 00:50:21,858
are running amok being goofy and
silly and not minding her at all.

1032
00:50:22,168 --> 00:50:26,458
And then mom comes out and is like,
Thomason, aren't you taking care of them?

1033
00:50:26,618 --> 00:50:27,488
Why aren't you doing this?

1034
00:50:27,488 --> 00:50:28,018
Why aren't you doing that?

1035
00:50:28,878 --> 00:50:30,458
help your father clean up.

1036
00:50:30,528 --> 00:50:35,538
And then she's like, okay, um, and she's
trying her best to do what she's being

1037
00:50:35,538 --> 00:50:37,498
told and trying to take care of everybody.

1038
00:50:37,818 --> 00:50:39,528
And all she gets is criticism.

1039
00:50:39,808 --> 00:50:41,338
Mom's on her case all the time.

1040
00:50:41,348 --> 00:50:43,618
Mom's accusing her of stealing the cup.

1041
00:50:43,938 --> 00:50:49,318
Mom is always like, when Mercy's
singing songs, Thomason's like, hush,

1042
00:50:49,348 --> 00:50:51,393
I can't, I can't stand your songs.

1043
00:50:52,128 --> 00:50:57,068
And instead of, you know,
admonishing Mercy, um, Catherine,

1044
00:50:57,078 --> 00:50:59,873
the mom, is Like, stop.

1045
00:51:00,213 --> 00:51:01,153
Thomason, hush.

1046
00:51:01,313 --> 00:51:03,943
You know, like, I'm
like, poor Thomason, man.

1047
00:51:04,193 --> 00:51:08,553
She just has, like, no
control of her life.

1048
00:51:09,438 --> 00:51:12,598
Let's go back for Thomasin.

1049
00:51:12,618 --> 00:51:15,308
Let's go back to the Mercy and
Jonas, the twins, the kids.

1050
00:51:15,838 --> 00:51:16,378
Are they twins?

1051
00:51:16,443 --> 00:51:16,668
Yeah,

1052
00:51:16,743 --> 00:51:17,153
Yes.

1053
00:51:17,248 --> 00:51:17,408
yeah.

1054
00:51:17,523 --> 00:51:19,123
I called them twins a couple of times.

1055
00:51:19,213 --> 00:51:19,523
Yeah.

1056
00:51:19,623 --> 00:51:19,833
I

1057
00:51:21,238 --> 00:51:24,518
And it's, you might be on to something
there because there's a point, there's

1058
00:51:24,518 --> 00:51:28,938
a part in there where Mercy and Jonas
are unable to finish the Lord's Prayer.

1059
00:51:30,728 --> 00:51:31,273
During the witch,

1060
00:51:31,573 --> 00:51:32,273
note of that.

1061
00:51:32,348 --> 00:51:34,928
yes, during the witch hunts, as you
know, during the witch hunts in Colonial

1062
00:51:34,928 --> 00:51:38,428
America, it's widely believed that a
witch could not finish the Lord's Prayer.

1063
00:51:38,778 --> 00:51:42,738
That's why the family gets so
upset when Jonas and Mercy stop.

1064
00:51:43,508 --> 00:51:45,758
So, maybe they didn't make it.

1065
00:51:46,253 --> 00:51:46,873
who stopped.

1066
00:51:47,823 --> 00:51:50,763
was trying to say the Lord's Prayer,
and it only stopped because the

1067
00:51:50,763 --> 00:51:54,108
twins were like, I can't, I can't,
and then they freak out, right?

1068
00:51:54,408 --> 00:51:57,218
Yeah, yeah, they, nobody could
finish it, really, I guess.

1069
00:51:57,358 --> 00:51:58,648
So, were they all witches?

1070
00:51:59,248 --> 00:52:00,178
Did they all make a pact?

1071
00:52:00,228 --> 00:52:00,998
What happened there?

1072
00:52:03,198 --> 00:52:04,938
Hmm, may have to watch this again, huh?

1073
00:52:04,978 --> 00:52:05,328
Cause,

1074
00:52:06,103 --> 00:52:07,373
There's a lot going on.

1075
00:52:07,383 --> 00:52:07,403
Yeah.

1076
00:52:07,728 --> 00:52:09,848
we're not even, we haven't even gotten
to like, where we're talking about the

1077
00:52:09,848 --> 00:52:16,588
movie, like, Caleb goes on a hunt, Caleb,
they go into the woods, and then, is, do

1078
00:52:16,588 --> 00:52:18,443
we see the rabbit here, or is that later?

1079
00:52:20,248 --> 00:52:24,748
um, I believe they saw the rabbit
when Caleb and the dad go out hunting

1080
00:52:25,048 --> 00:52:25,203
right.

1081
00:52:25,223 --> 00:52:29,933
This is, this is when he, he, he
sees the seductress, which she's

1082
00:52:30,233 --> 00:52:30,763
Yeah.

1083
00:52:31,063 --> 00:52:31,713
trying to get him in.

1084
00:52:32,653 --> 00:52:33,403
She would have got me.

1085
00:52:33,413 --> 00:52:36,053
I'm going to tell you now, if
I would have been a 13 year old

1086
00:52:36,053 --> 00:52:38,313
boy out in the woods, I'll come

1087
00:52:38,313 --> 00:52:44,593
but again, this is bringing up the
ideas of, of sin natural, right?

1088
00:52:44,603 --> 00:52:49,293
So Thomasin's body is developing
naturally like a woman's body does.

1089
00:52:49,883 --> 00:52:55,583
And, uh, sure she doesn't fit into
her shift as well as she used to.

1090
00:52:55,853 --> 00:52:57,743
Um, her brother Caleb has noticed.

1091
00:52:57,803 --> 00:53:01,203
I mean, He's a young boy,
but it is what it is.

1092
00:53:01,923 --> 00:53:05,713
here we have this like, again, contrast
between like what is natural and

1093
00:53:05,713 --> 00:53:11,023
like what is like, just her living
her life, and the sin of being a

1094
00:53:11,023 --> 00:53:16,343
woman and being desirable and being
a maiden, right, in the of womanhood.

1095
00:53:17,943 --> 00:53:22,023
So here, like, Caleb comes out and
he gets tempted by this, which in the

1096
00:53:22,023 --> 00:53:25,933
form of a maiden of a very desirable.

1097
00:53:29,143 --> 00:53:29,563
woman

1098
00:53:30,423 --> 00:53:31,223
and buck something.

1099
00:53:31,843 --> 00:53:32,883
Is that a word we could use?

1100
00:53:32,883 --> 00:53:33,573
I think.

1101
00:53:33,663 --> 00:53:34,893
He

1102
00:53:35,253 --> 00:53:36,723
or kid who didn't stand a chance.

1103
00:53:37,053 --> 00:53:37,393
didn't.

1104
00:53:37,443 --> 00:53:37,933
He didn't.

1105
00:53:37,933 --> 00:53:40,473
And then he comes back
home in a delirious state.

1106
00:53:41,533 --> 00:53:42,523
You got the possession.

1107
00:53:43,973 --> 00:53:45,013
This thing's disturbing.

1108
00:53:45,433 --> 00:53:46,823
This scene right here was rough.

1109
00:53:48,953 --> 00:53:51,943
And this movie's only
an hour and a half long.

1110
00:53:51,993 --> 00:53:54,073
Did it not feel like it was
like four or five hours?

1111
00:53:54,503 --> 00:53:55,023
Yeah.

1112
00:53:55,243 --> 00:53:55,763
Long.

1113
00:53:55,763 --> 00:53:57,853
There's a lot of pieces to it.

1114
00:53:57,863 --> 00:53:57,873
A

1115
00:53:58,553 --> 00:53:58,673
And

1116
00:53:58,853 --> 00:53:59,723
of like, I

1117
00:54:00,803 --> 00:54:02,073
when he is

1118
00:54:04,773 --> 00:54:09,983
basically convulsing and whatever
else you want to call that.

1119
00:54:10,433 --> 00:54:12,623
Have you ever seen anything like,
like that, like that happen in person?

1120
00:54:13,943 --> 00:54:18,843
have not, I have heard stories
of people who are like, Oh,

1121
00:54:18,843 --> 00:54:20,683
I've witnessed a possession.

1122
00:54:20,753 --> 00:54:23,053
I've witnessed, you know, this or that.

1123
00:54:23,463 --> 00:54:26,253
Um, you know, however you decide
to believe, whether it's a

1124
00:54:26,253 --> 00:54:30,723
psychological episode or a spiritual
possession of a demon, I don't,

1125
00:54:30,823 --> 00:54:32,163
you know, whatever you believe,

1126
00:54:34,373 --> 00:54:36,003
I just have to say this kid.

1127
00:54:36,723 --> 00:54:37,538
Is amazing!

1128
00:54:38,218 --> 00:54:46,485
I mean, that scene was so, whoa, his,
he must have had a great acting coach

1129
00:54:46,868 --> 00:54:51,508
getting him ready for this scene and
having him just don't hold back, right?

1130
00:54:51,628 --> 00:54:57,828
Don't hold back, let it all out,
because the emotion was so powerful.

1131
00:54:58,733 --> 00:55:04,173
Now that kid's name is Harvey
Scrimshaw, and he was a, a

1132
00:55:04,173 --> 00:55:05,853
serious powerhouse in that movie.

1133
00:55:06,763 --> 00:55:11,693
They all were Thomason played
by, uh, Anya Taylor Joy.

1134
00:55:11,723 --> 00:55:12,863
That's, this is her debut.

1135
00:55:12,893 --> 00:55:13,613
This is her debut.

1136
00:55:13,973 --> 00:55:14,898
She's gone on to have a,

1137
00:55:15,198 --> 00:55:15,678
her.

1138
00:55:16,573 --> 00:55:20,203
uh, she's a, she, she puts on a
great performance in this movie.

1139
00:55:21,503 --> 00:55:22,403
Everybody does.

1140
00:55:22,433 --> 00:55:26,023
We already talked about
the graveley voice of

1141
00:55:26,708 --> 00:55:28,298
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1142
00:55:28,578 --> 00:55:28,888
And

1143
00:55:29,873 --> 00:55:30,233
she.

1144
00:55:30,448 --> 00:55:35,388
to say about the mother too, but I will
wait until we get to the, the ending, um,

1145
00:55:35,428 --> 00:55:37,398
and her ending and how that plays out.

1146
00:55:37,398 --> 00:55:40,318
But she's amazing and everything
she does, I like her too.

1147
00:55:41,113 --> 00:55:42,483
I want to talk about the rabbit.

1148
00:55:42,543 --> 00:55:45,763
Tell me about the rabbits because,
uh, Caleb and his father go into the

1149
00:55:45,763 --> 00:55:47,783
woods to hunt also and here we go.

1150
00:55:47,793 --> 00:55:48,593
We got a rabbit here.

1151
00:55:48,593 --> 00:55:52,773
Now what's the, what's the symbolism
of hairs in mythology here?

1152
00:55:53,238 --> 00:55:58,228
well, in Celtic lore, this
is from my druid, uh, deck.

1153
00:55:58,818 --> 00:56:00,798
Um, they're, they symbolize rebirth

1154
00:56:01,453 --> 00:56:01,733
Hmm.

1155
00:56:01,733 --> 00:56:02,813
Hmm.

1156
00:56:04,358 --> 00:56:04,868
Um.

1157
00:56:05,873 --> 00:56:11,483
Now, a lot of folklore around witches,
uh, not from a pagan perspective, but

1158
00:56:11,483 --> 00:56:17,073
from like general how we view witches,
they have familiars, or they have, um,

1159
00:56:17,103 --> 00:56:21,553
or they can, um, shapeshift, right?

1160
00:56:21,665 --> 00:56:23,663
There's a lot of that going
on in folklore as well.

1161
00:56:23,673 --> 00:56:26,173
Like, they can shapeshift into
animals and things like that.

1162
00:56:26,183 --> 00:56:32,333
So, the hare shows up in this movie at
certain points, I think, where it's like

1163
00:56:33,173 --> 00:56:36,273
there was a hare then there was a witch.

1164
00:56:36,573 --> 00:56:37,343
Hmm.

1165
00:56:37,473 --> 00:56:42,163
I just listened to a story this morning
that comes from a Welsh storytelling,

1166
00:56:42,213 --> 00:56:47,833
um, where a guy is staying in a hotel
and he cut, he, uh, sees these cats

1167
00:56:47,843 --> 00:56:52,953
trying to steal from him out of his bag
or out of his wallet and he cuts one

1168
00:56:52,953 --> 00:56:56,833
of them on the paw and then the next
morning two of the ladies who run the

1169
00:56:56,833 --> 00:56:59,233
inn he's staying at, she has a hurt hand.

1170
00:56:59,533 --> 00:57:00,103
Ooh.

1171
00:57:00,628 --> 00:57:04,318
Those kind of stories you hear a lot
like where it's like, they're in the,

1172
00:57:04,358 --> 00:57:08,398
you know, you never see the hair and the
witch in the same place at the same time.

1173
00:57:08,558 --> 00:57:11,558
So I don't know maybe shape shifting
is going on maybe that's what we're

1174
00:57:11,558 --> 00:57:17,138
meant to believe here, but folklore they
really are associated with like Ostera

1175
00:57:17,168 --> 00:57:22,978
and the rebirth, like, The hair and
the eggs, which are Easter Bunny type

1176
00:57:24,473 --> 00:57:27,473
So tell me, if somebody pulls
this card in a tarot reading, what

1177
00:57:27,473 --> 00:57:28,803
does this say about that person?

1178
00:57:28,803 --> 00:57:29,193
I don't

1179
00:57:29,988 --> 00:57:34,188
Um, the way that I would read that,
uh, and, you know, I have the, the

1180
00:57:34,268 --> 00:57:35,868
guidebook and I can read what that says.

1181
00:57:35,868 --> 00:57:43,108
But for me personally, I would say about
a new beginning for you or, um, a rebirth.

1182
00:57:44,018 --> 00:57:50,953
Uh, that's kind of like in Thomason's
experience here, she's going through a

1183
00:57:50,963 --> 00:57:53,633
big change from childhood into womanhood.

1184
00:57:54,033 --> 00:58:00,463
And what that could mean for her is
coming into her power as a witch, right?

1185
00:58:00,583 --> 00:58:03,663
She's this innocent, godly girl.

1186
00:58:04,063 --> 00:58:07,913
She definitely wants to follow in,
you know, what's right and good.

1187
00:58:08,778 --> 00:58:10,678
But man, that's just not working for her.

1188
00:58:11,373 --> 00:58:11,783
know.

1189
00:58:11,803 --> 00:58:12,343
I mean,

1190
00:58:12,428 --> 00:58:13,638
It's not bringing her anything.

1191
00:58:15,078 --> 00:58:16,398
Criticism, usually.

1192
00:58:16,698 --> 00:58:20,298
So this is kind of her transition
into being like, and you see that

1193
00:58:20,298 --> 00:58:24,658
when she speaks up to her dad, when
she's like, Hey, listen, you're the

1194
00:58:24,658 --> 00:58:26,248
biggest hypocrite I've ever met.

1195
00:58:27,778 --> 00:58:30,028
She would not have said
that earlier in the movie.

1196
00:58:30,028 --> 00:58:38,328
She's very devoted, very, um, submissive
to her father, her mother, to authority.

1197
00:58:38,618 --> 00:58:42,838
And then it's like, now wait a minute,
I have something to say, right?

1198
00:58:43,348 --> 00:58:45,078
It's like her, it's like
a rebellious teenager.

1199
00:58:45,708 --> 00:58:49,598
It's like she hit the rebellious
teenager phase and instead of

1200
00:58:54,228 --> 00:58:59,618
Instead of cursing she cursed other people
like it's that's what it looks like to me.

1201
00:58:59,698 --> 00:59:03,568
Um, She made a full blown
transformation in the movie.

1202
00:59:05,928 --> 00:59:10,478
I want to say almost from innocence
I think there was a little bit there.

1203
00:59:10,478 --> 00:59:12,028
There's a little hint of something there.

1204
00:59:12,698 --> 00:59:13,258
Um,

1205
00:59:14,358 --> 00:59:16,608
then you could just say
that's human nature, too.

1206
00:59:16,838 --> 00:59:19,103
You could say, there's a little
bit of that in all of us.

1207
00:59:19,403 --> 00:59:19,993
And that's what,

1208
00:59:20,268 --> 00:59:20,788
yeah.

1209
00:59:21,283 --> 00:59:24,503
and that's what I think, because
she, yeah, you could, you could say

1210
00:59:24,503 --> 00:59:27,093
there's a little bit of that in all
of us, because we all conjure up

1211
00:59:27,113 --> 00:59:28,603
whatever we want in our own ways.

1212
00:59:29,413 --> 00:59:31,413
She was doing it in her own way, and

1213
00:59:33,533 --> 00:59:37,593
the, the climax of the movie is when
all the family turns on each other.

1214
00:59:38,023 --> 00:59:40,573
Not only scenes of possession, paranoia,

1215
00:59:42,573 --> 00:59:44,523
it's the good old fashioned
witchcraft right here.

1216
00:59:44,963 --> 00:59:46,113
And then you got the, the, uh,

1217
00:59:49,283 --> 00:59:50,583
See what Thomas said about Philip?

1218
00:59:51,753 --> 00:59:56,113
That's, to me, the masterclass
in filmmaking and building

1219
00:59:56,523 --> 00:59:58,583
dread and suspense.

1220
00:59:58,893 --> 01:00:01,683
Because when she finally sells that book!

1221
01:00:04,863 --> 01:00:08,743
Like, you know, That's it,
you know, no going back.

1222
01:00:08,773 --> 01:00:09,833
Like that's, that's it.

1223
01:00:10,808 --> 01:00:11,078
Yeah.

1224
01:00:12,153 --> 01:00:13,113
What did you think about that?

1225
01:00:13,123 --> 01:00:14,963
What about Black Phillip overall?

1226
01:00:15,393 --> 01:00:18,413
Tell us about Black Phillip
and the, the goat lore.

1227
01:00:18,413 --> 01:00:24,763
I already said it's bafflement,
symbolism, and him speaking to Thomason.

1228
01:00:25,053 --> 01:00:26,733
The twins said they spoke to him.

1229
01:00:26,733 --> 01:00:30,503
That's what got this whole thing kind
of started earlier in the movie, in the

1230
01:00:30,503 --> 01:00:36,863
plot, was that goat stable attack where
the twins said, Black Phillip told us,

1231
01:00:36,863 --> 01:00:40,303
you know, Like, what is, what is Black
Phillip, and what is his role in this?

1232
01:00:40,343 --> 01:00:42,863
Is this just a goat, or is
there something in that goat?

1233
01:00:43,628 --> 01:00:44,018
Yeah.

1234
01:00:44,028 --> 01:00:50,798
Well, again, like animals a familiar to
a witch or to, there's a lot of folklore

1235
01:00:50,798 --> 01:00:57,473
in that and it can be the goat, the cats,
um, birds, ravens, you see the raven,

1236
01:00:57,773 --> 01:00:58,333
Yeah.

1237
01:00:58,678 --> 01:00:59,148
right?

1238
01:00:59,148 --> 01:01:02,028
We'll, we'll talk about that in a
second, but Black Phillip, I mean,

1239
01:01:02,028 --> 01:01:08,348
this is just another, again, shape
shifting, he shape shifts into, we're

1240
01:01:08,348 --> 01:01:09,618
supposed to believe the devil, right?

1241
01:01:11,128 --> 01:01:12,778
the devil and that's the devil's book

1242
01:01:15,008 --> 01:01:18,848
I mean, this is more like, uh, when
you look into kind of the symbology in,

1243
01:01:18,858 --> 01:01:23,298
in, in Satanism, the goat and things
like that, how, and the ram having to

1244
01:01:23,298 --> 01:01:24,818
do with something to do with the devil.

1245
01:01:25,558 --> 01:01:30,998
I'm not as familiar with that folklore
because to me, it's more just about all

1246
01:01:30,998 --> 01:01:33,238
of the animals being of the natural world.

1247
01:01:33,238 --> 01:01:33,578
Right.

1248
01:01:34,648 --> 01:01:39,528
But, uh, I will say that in general,
that whole, um, witch in the

1249
01:01:39,528 --> 01:01:47,613
woods, the boy being bewitched,
um, The goats being black Phillip

1250
01:01:50,098 --> 01:01:55,298
Um, signing the devil's book and
then one of his coven, one of

1251
01:01:55,298 --> 01:01:58,158
his, followers or whatever it is.

1252
01:01:58,938 --> 01:02:04,398
me, this is just an entire movie made
out of the fears that the Puritan

1253
01:02:04,398 --> 01:02:06,068
people in New England had at the time.

1254
01:02:06,873 --> 01:02:07,283
Right?

1255
01:02:07,563 --> 01:02:11,583
Most of us now don't believe
that any of that was going on.

1256
01:02:11,883 --> 01:02:12,263
Hmm.

1257
01:02:12,563 --> 01:02:19,413
I, I doubt in the time period, there was
a lot of women who were like, Yeah, kind

1258
01:02:19,413 --> 01:02:23,523
of just feel like it'd be fun to go in
the woods naked and run around and dance

1259
01:02:23,533 --> 01:02:26,213
in the woods and sign the devil's book.

1260
01:02:26,283 --> 01:02:27,863
Like, this would be so fun to me.

1261
01:02:28,713 --> 01:02:33,403
But this movie is kind of like
bringing every fear that all

1262
01:02:33,413 --> 01:02:34,903
that folklore had together.

1263
01:02:35,113 --> 01:02:39,053
And the hold it had on people and
bringing it into a movie like what

1264
01:02:39,053 --> 01:02:41,763
if it was real like what if this
happened, this is what it would

1265
01:02:41,763 --> 01:02:44,413
look like, right, so that the goat.

1266
01:02:45,218 --> 01:02:46,028
is the devil.

1267
01:02:46,138 --> 01:02:47,738
He's the one that's
been whispering to them.

1268
01:02:48,278 --> 01:02:54,048
It also brings the fear of, there's a very
religious connotation in all this, which

1269
01:02:54,048 --> 01:03:00,275
is that the devil and the evilness of
all this going on could happen to anyone.

1270
01:03:01,348 --> 01:03:07,078
You could be as faithful and true
to your faith as possible, like this

1271
01:03:07,098 --> 01:03:09,078
family was seemingly in the beginning.

1272
01:03:10,058 --> 01:03:13,808
You know, the mother says that
at one point she's I was so

1273
01:03:13,808 --> 01:03:16,678
close to God and Christ's love.

1274
01:03:16,958 --> 01:03:18,168
I could feel it.

1275
01:03:18,468 --> 01:03:20,858
I could, you know, I could relish it.

1276
01:03:20,858 --> 01:03:23,898
I could, I could, I never even
needed the love of a husband

1277
01:03:23,898 --> 01:03:26,048
because I had this love of Christ.

1278
01:03:26,418 --> 01:03:27,748
And I've lost that.

1279
01:03:27,788 --> 01:03:28,948
I've lost my faith.

1280
01:03:29,398 --> 01:03:34,798
And, um, she's confessing, you know,
but it's like, there's a realization

1281
01:03:34,798 --> 01:03:38,038
here that you can be as good.

1282
01:03:38,310 --> 01:03:40,388
I use air quotes for those
of you who can't see me.

1283
01:03:40,768 --> 01:03:48,458
Good as possible, right, and still
be susceptible to evil that could

1284
01:03:48,458 --> 01:03:50,688
come in and kill your whole family.

1285
01:03:52,233 --> 01:03:53,275
Right, and it does.

1286
01:03:53,275 --> 01:03:56,399
And you'll learn how to play
as a man, except Thomas.

1287
01:03:56,399 --> 01:04:00,233
And then she, treks out naked.

1288
01:04:00,233 --> 01:04:04,181
And so, the rest of the batch
is, which, uh, Hey, I mean,

1289
01:04:04,181 --> 01:04:06,003
you know, it's not, but she's,

1290
01:04:13,803 --> 01:04:14,213
Trees.

1291
01:04:15,763 --> 01:04:18,398
Basically, witch festival, and

1292
01:04:18,698 --> 01:04:19,008
I

1293
01:04:19,533 --> 01:04:26,063
every, every year, April 30th to May
1st, that's Hexenacht, and that's

1294
01:04:26,161 --> 01:04:30,643
Valperkishnacht, and what happens is all
the witches go up to Brocken Mountain

1295
01:04:30,643 --> 01:04:34,113
and they get naked and they dance and
they have a wild orgy with the devil.

1296
01:04:34,133 --> 01:04:35,983
Now this is, this is real.

1297
01:04:36,243 --> 01:04:40,323
So how many places around here have
naked witches running around the woods?

1298
01:04:40,343 --> 01:04:43,423
Is this a common thing
or is this, what is this?

1299
01:04:44,788 --> 01:04:52,738
personally don't know of any, but what
the, the ceremony of that, or what doing

1300
01:04:52,738 --> 01:05:00,678
that would be, would now symbolize anyone
who, you know, Is coming into their own

1301
01:05:00,678 --> 01:05:10,118
power and leaving the expectations and
the idea that tamed is good and proper.

1302
01:05:10,458 --> 01:05:14,328
But that letting your natural
self be loved and embraced

1303
01:05:14,368 --> 01:05:15,768
by the energy of the world.

1304
01:05:16,228 --> 01:05:18,383
That that's kind of what that symbolizes.

1305
01:05:18,683 --> 01:05:19,053
Yeah.

1306
01:05:19,158 --> 01:05:22,848
about dancing with the devil
or signing the devil's book.

1307
01:05:23,198 --> 01:05:26,588
In fact, that would be
Almost patriarchal, right?

1308
01:05:26,618 --> 01:05:29,158
That would be like, okay,
I'm giving myself up to what?

1309
01:05:29,188 --> 01:05:30,578
Another male figure.

1310
01:05:30,908 --> 01:05:32,278
I'm his slave now.

1311
01:05:33,108 --> 01:05:39,818
Most of the time what it symbolizes is
This is me shedding off all of the masks,

1312
01:05:39,848 --> 01:05:46,228
all of the expectations of society,
um, my clothing, and being able to just

1313
01:05:46,248 --> 01:05:51,518
embrace the natural world, the woods,
the fire, the elements, the dancing, the

1314
01:05:51,528 --> 01:05:57,918
music, the drumming, and just be able
to embrace being and authentically me.

1315
01:05:58,718 --> 01:06:01,198
myself, on my own sovereignty, right?

1316
01:06:01,553 --> 01:06:01,843
Yeah.

1317
01:06:03,118 --> 01:06:05,908
There's some truth in there
though, is what you're saying.

1318
01:06:05,908 --> 01:06:08,978
Like, I mean, there's the, the
lore of the four naked witches.

1319
01:06:08,978 --> 01:06:17,998
That's, that's part of the German Val
Pergishnacht, the four sorceresses seen

1320
01:06:17,998 --> 01:06:19,038
on a brothel, all that kind of stuff.

1321
01:06:19,438 --> 01:06:27,288
And then the, the movie, The Witch
itself, the, the, the, the ending

1322
01:06:27,508 --> 01:06:30,588
when she starts floating away.

1323
01:06:31,783 --> 01:06:33,493
Did you find that as a happy ending?

1324
01:06:33,503 --> 01:06:34,663
Because you are a witch.

1325
01:06:35,108 --> 01:06:35,958
A little bit, yeah.

1326
01:06:36,388 --> 01:06:39,848
Yeah, I have to say, I was like,
alright, sounds good to me.

1327
01:06:40,498 --> 01:06:44,728
And a lot of that could have to do
with some of the hallucinogens and

1328
01:06:44,728 --> 01:06:51,088
mushrooms and some of the things that,
um, that witches, uh, participated in.

1329
01:06:51,088 --> 01:06:52,458
Or people who were called witches.

1330
01:06:53,098 --> 01:06:57,578
Um, it, yeah, it's not like, the
witch is flying on a broomstick.

1331
01:06:57,628 --> 01:07:00,488
Some of, some people believe
that that folklore came from.

1332
01:07:00,968 --> 01:07:06,438
The fact that they would rub their
broomstick with, um, hallucinogenic

1333
01:07:06,458 --> 01:07:09,538
mushrooms and things like that,
and then go flying, right?

1334
01:07:10,468 --> 01:07:12,038
Because in their mind, they were flying.

1335
01:07:13,253 --> 01:07:14,323
Sounds like a good time to me.

1336
01:07:14,323 --> 01:07:15,463
I mean, I try that out.

1337
01:07:15,463 --> 01:07:15,823
I don't know.

1338
01:07:15,908 --> 01:07:16,123
Yeah.

1339
01:07:16,408 --> 01:07:21,218
And to me, this is just like, again, if
it was a symbol, it would be, um, Thomason

1340
01:07:21,238 --> 01:07:23,458
going, like, okay, my family's dead.

1341
01:07:23,558 --> 01:07:24,778
Like, what else am I going to do?

1342
01:07:24,798 --> 01:07:25,078
Sure.

1343
01:07:25,078 --> 01:07:25,888
I'll sign your book.

1344
01:07:26,673 --> 01:07:27,183
I mean

1345
01:07:27,288 --> 01:07:31,368
going out into the woods
and being like, I'm free.

1346
01:07:32,371 --> 01:07:32,698
Right?

1347
01:07:32,728 --> 01:07:35,508
Like, I'm now floating with these women.

1348
01:07:35,588 --> 01:07:38,808
These women have nobody
telling them what to do.

1349
01:07:39,258 --> 01:07:41,188
I mean, if you take the
devil out of the equation.

1350
01:07:42,948 --> 01:07:44,598
I don't have anybody telling
me what to do anymore.

1351
01:07:44,618 --> 01:07:46,938
I don't have expectations to follow.

1352
01:07:47,378 --> 01:07:48,968
I am my own person.

1353
01:07:48,988 --> 01:07:51,498
I'm in charge of myself and I'm free.

1354
01:07:51,508 --> 01:07:55,108
And the floating feeling is
like coming into her power.

1355
01:07:56,338 --> 01:08:02,668
Uh, to me, we could
compare Thomasin to, um,

1356
01:08:05,268 --> 01:08:11,188
the main character Dani in Midsommar, when
she goes through all this hell, and at

1357
01:08:11,198 --> 01:08:14,648
the very end, it's only her standing and
she gets that little smirk on her face.

1358
01:08:15,018 --> 01:08:15,348
Yes.

1359
01:08:15,678 --> 01:08:18,748
Thomasin, at the end, when she
floats off, that's her smirk.

1360
01:08:19,028 --> 01:08:20,238
That's her smirk on her face.

1361
01:08:20,238 --> 01:08:20,858
I think.

1362
01:08:21,558 --> 01:08:22,638
She got a happy ending.

1363
01:08:23,028 --> 01:08:24,858
So maybe I'm wrong about A24 movies.

1364
01:08:24,858 --> 01:08:26,188
Maybe they do have happy endings.

1365
01:08:27,508 --> 01:08:29,168
Who is it happy for, you know?

1366
01:08:29,368 --> 01:08:29,748
Yeah.

1367
01:08:30,698 --> 01:08:32,008
What's your final thought on The Witch?

1368
01:08:34,288 --> 01:08:38,948
I think that the thread
of both of these movies.

1369
01:08:39,333 --> 01:08:45,683
is again the um, the idea of the
wildness and wilderness, And being

1370
01:08:45,683 --> 01:08:53,873
able to um, ask the question, is it
our job or is our purpose to tame

1371
01:08:53,873 --> 01:08:56,593
that wildness or embrace it, right?

1372
01:08:58,443 --> 01:09:03,883
is what's found in the woods
actually evil or is it just a Our

1373
01:09:03,943 --> 01:09:08,423
own shadows, our own natural self
that we need to confront and face.

1374
01:09:08,738 --> 01:09:09,298
Mmm,

1375
01:09:10,453 --> 01:09:15,253
And maybe for too long we've been
believing that it's something that

1376
01:09:15,533 --> 01:09:21,003
is to be shied away from, avoided,
it's evil, it's dangerous, it

1377
01:09:21,003 --> 01:09:24,385
shouldn't be, um, with at all.

1378
01:09:24,693 --> 01:09:28,501
And maybe it's time for each and
every one of us to go into those woods

1379
01:09:30,553 --> 01:09:35,253
whether physically or metaphorically, but
into the woods and confront your shadows.

1380
01:09:35,918 --> 01:09:36,528
I love that.

1381
01:09:36,578 --> 01:09:37,828
That's a great final thought.

1382
01:09:37,858 --> 01:09:40,068
My final thoughts on The Witch.

1383
01:09:40,108 --> 01:09:41,618
The Witch was, it's incredible.

1384
01:09:41,618 --> 01:09:42,638
It was an incredible watch.

1385
01:09:43,188 --> 01:09:46,078
It is a exhausting watch.

1386
01:09:46,108 --> 01:09:51,198
It's It's a miserable watch, like,
and I mean that in the best way,

1387
01:09:51,228 --> 01:09:52,608
Robert Eggers, if you're listening.

1388
01:09:53,278 --> 01:09:54,868
It's a miserable watch, but I loved it.

1389
01:09:54,958 --> 01:10:00,288
Like, I know when I put that movie on
ever again, that I'm gonna be depressed,

1390
01:10:00,905 --> 01:10:03,905
I'm gonna be sad, I'm gonna be down.

1391
01:10:03,998 --> 01:10:06,928
But I better finish it, because yeah,
I kind of get happy at the end when

1392
01:10:06,928 --> 01:10:09,108
Thomason wins, because to me, she wins.

1393
01:10:10,858 --> 01:10:14,948
I want to throw this out there about
Robert Eggers, he did an interview and

1394
01:10:14,948 --> 01:10:19,978
he was talking about the best behaved
and worst behaved of the actors and

1395
01:10:20,038 --> 01:10:26,498
animals, and the hare, the raven,
and the horse, all easy to work with.

1396
01:10:26,918 --> 01:10:28,688
Black Phillip was a bastard.

1397
01:10:29,493 --> 01:10:30,923
Yeah, he looks like it.

1398
01:10:31,108 --> 01:10:35,538
The shot we have with, um, the dad and
he's wrestling him, that wasn't scripted.

1399
01:10:35,538 --> 01:10:36,998
You can't script a scene
like that with a goat.

1400
01:10:37,008 --> 01:10:38,068
There he is, there's Black Phillip.

1401
01:10:38,488 --> 01:10:41,078
You can't script a scene where
you're wrestling a goat's horns.

1402
01:10:41,708 --> 01:10:42,568
That was crazy.

1403
01:10:42,648 --> 01:10:44,808
I can't believe, I hope he got paid.

1404
01:10:44,808 --> 01:10:47,208
I hope he got paid extra for that.

1405
01:10:47,208 --> 01:10:48,888
But, love this movie.

1406
01:10:48,908 --> 01:10:54,883
It was another, to me, New genre
defining type of movies, sub genre,

1407
01:10:54,883 --> 01:10:55,803
whatever you want to call it.

1408
01:10:56,273 --> 01:11:01,633
Topek, Topekian folk horror slash
witchcraft, all that kind of stuff.

1409
01:11:02,533 --> 01:11:05,643
Can't wait to see this Nosferatu movie
that Robert Eggers is putting out.

1410
01:11:06,633 --> 01:11:08,303
And anything else A24 has.

1411
01:11:08,303 --> 01:11:11,433
We've got another A24 movie
in this series coming up.

1412
01:11:12,043 --> 01:11:12,713
Hereditary.

1413
01:11:12,723 --> 01:11:13,523
You've never seen that one.

1414
01:11:13,553 --> 01:11:14,263
I can't wait for that.

1415
01:11:14,563 --> 01:11:15,793
No, I haven't seen it yet.

1416
01:11:15,833 --> 01:11:17,043
I'm just, I'm

1417
01:11:17,343 --> 01:11:18,293
Oh, you wait.

1418
01:11:18,693 --> 01:11:19,363
You wait.

1419
01:11:19,685 --> 01:11:21,275
Oh my God, Courtney, we're back.

1420
01:11:21,275 --> 01:11:22,565
Whoo!

1421
01:11:22,970 --> 01:11:23,990
Or maybe I should do this.

1422
01:11:24,020 --> 01:11:24,800
Maybe I should do this.

1423
01:11:25,825 --> 01:11:29,625
Yeah, that's it.

1424
01:11:33,245 --> 01:11:35,275
One episode we've had here though with.

1425
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,190
who can't see me, I was
standing in the corner.

1426
01:11:37,255 --> 01:11:38,395
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1427
01:11:39,405 --> 01:11:43,315
As she was recreating the iconic
last shot of the Blair Witch there.

1428
01:11:44,575 --> 01:11:47,725
That's a nightmare inducing
shot though, really it is.

1429
01:11:47,735 --> 01:11:49,635
Like you see that and
you're like, oh shit.

1430
01:11:49,705 --> 01:11:49,925
Like,

1431
01:11:50,150 --> 01:11:51,190
It's so fast.

1432
01:11:51,325 --> 01:11:51,955
is, it is.

1433
01:11:52,055 --> 01:11:55,255
back and rewind it and watch it again just
to make sure I saw what I thought I saw.

1434
01:11:56,115 --> 01:11:58,510
but those two movies right
there, the Witch, the Vivic,

1435
01:11:59,125 --> 01:11:59,345
Mm

1436
01:11:59,350 --> 01:12:00,395
and the Player Witch.

1437
01:12:01,335 --> 01:12:02,175
I love those two.

1438
01:12:02,265 --> 01:12:03,555
I love those two flicks right there.

1439
01:12:03,555 --> 01:12:06,205
And that's gonna be a tough vote.

1440
01:12:06,555 --> 01:12:08,115
I don't know where my about to go between.

1441
01:12:08,265 --> 01:12:08,835
Yeah,

1442
01:12:08,975 --> 01:12:12,255
All right, people, so you gotta get out
there, you gotta vote, you gotta decide.

1443
01:12:12,345 --> 01:12:14,475
Out of those two movies,
which one did you like best?

1444
01:12:14,485 --> 01:12:16,795
And vote for all of the ones
in the past episodes as well.

1445
01:12:17,025 --> 01:12:17,445
yeah.

1446
01:12:17,605 --> 01:12:19,805
you vote so we know
what are your favorites.

1447
01:12:20,055 --> 01:12:22,605
And, and, and I gotta get, give
myself a shout out for having the

1448
01:12:22,605 --> 01:12:26,265
A 24 limited edition shirt on here.

1449
01:12:26,295 --> 01:12:29,085
'cause the Vivi was a 24

1450
01:12:29,805 --> 01:12:30,245
Yeah.

1451
01:12:30,255 --> 01:12:31,755
Oh Edge, edge Edgert.

1452
01:12:31,755 --> 01:12:32,370
Was that him?

1453
01:12:32,625 --> 01:12:33,495
Was he the one that did it?

1454
01:12:34,605 --> 01:12:37,725
Man, he's got a movie Nosferatu
coming out Christmas this year too.

1455
01:12:37,725 --> 01:12:39,075
We may have to break that one down.

1456
01:12:39,575 --> 01:12:39,965
Yeah.

1457
01:12:40,435 --> 01:12:41,445
I'm all for it.

1458
01:12:42,845 --> 01:12:45,885
But, until then, we're
getting closer, Kortn.

1459
01:12:46,065 --> 01:12:51,585
October 26th, Novel Daybreak by
Crescent Communities presents

1460
01:12:51,585 --> 01:12:55,155
The Witch Movie Project, live
podcast taping and movie screening.

1461
01:12:56,535 --> 01:12:57,775
And costume contest.

1462
01:12:57,805 --> 01:12:58,545
Don't forget.

1463
01:12:58,965 --> 01:13:03,055
Land of a Thousand Hills coffee shop
right there at Novel is gonna give us,

1464
01:13:03,055 --> 01:13:05,505
uh, uh, prizes for the costume contest.

1465
01:13:05,685 --> 01:13:06,115
Yes!

1466
01:13:06,135 --> 01:13:09,535
I've got gift cards, so if you love coffee
and drinks at Land of a Thousand Hills,

1467
01:13:09,545 --> 01:13:11,075
you're gonna wanna win this contest.

1468
01:13:11,085 --> 01:13:11,095
I

1469
01:13:11,645 --> 01:13:15,185
They've got seasonal stuff going on right
now too, like different witch type drinks.

1470
01:13:15,185 --> 01:13:16,455
This is perfect for us.

1471
01:13:16,895 --> 01:13:18,845
the chai and cider yesterday.

1472
01:13:19,290 --> 01:13:20,190
So good.

1473
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:21,400
So good.

1474
01:13:21,495 --> 01:13:22,235
What was that one called?

1475
01:13:22,235 --> 01:13:23,005
You remember what that was called?

1476
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:25,850
I think it was just called Chai and Cider.

1477
01:13:26,095 --> 01:13:29,705
We need to find out who, who came

1478
01:13:29,730 --> 01:13:33,070
but I was trying to find something good.

1479
01:13:34,185 --> 01:13:34,965
up with those names.

1480
01:13:34,965 --> 01:13:37,105
We need to talk to, was
it their own over there?

1481
01:13:37,165 --> 01:13:38,385
Land of a Thousand Hills, I wonder?

1482
01:13:38,430 --> 01:13:38,750
not sure.

1483
01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:39,450
I have to ask her.

1484
01:13:39,530 --> 01:13:39,940
Yeah.

1485
01:13:40,265 --> 01:13:40,655
Yeah.

1486
01:13:40,655 --> 01:13:41,085
Or some,

1487
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:41,610
message.

1488
01:13:41,795 --> 01:13:45,395
they got a bunch of great, uh,
baristas over there though.

1489
01:13:45,405 --> 01:13:47,405
That could have been some of those,
some of those kids working over there.

1490
01:13:47,445 --> 01:13:48,365
They got their creative.

1491
01:13:48,365 --> 01:13:49,525
I love those people over there.

1492
01:13:49,595 --> 01:13:52,295
I've been doing my Tarot for
Tips events on Sinner Sundays

1493
01:13:52,575 --> 01:13:53,115
Yeah.

1494
01:13:53,185 --> 01:13:53,885
and they're amazing.

1495
01:13:53,895 --> 01:13:57,225
They always, they like to give me a
free drink if I go over there, um, to

1496
01:13:57,245 --> 01:14:01,015
read cards and they, um, gave people
15 percent off their drink order for

1497
01:14:01,025 --> 01:14:02,575
me reading cards for getting a reading.

1498
01:14:02,585 --> 01:14:03,985
So I love them over there.

1499
01:14:04,345 --> 01:14:05,495
I think they love me.

1500
01:14:05,725 --> 01:14:06,355
Yeah, they do.

1501
01:14:06,415 --> 01:14:06,615
it.

1502
01:14:06,945 --> 01:14:07,645
Yeah, they do.

1503
01:14:08,485 --> 01:14:09,255
That's incredible.

1504
01:14:09,455 --> 01:14:13,645
Let's give a special, special, special
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1505
01:14:13,655 --> 01:14:18,495
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1507
01:14:23,365 --> 01:14:24,135
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1508
01:14:24,155 --> 01:14:27,075
We're, we're all helping out
with the Witch Movie Project.

1509
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:29,700
I'm proud of this project.

1510
01:14:29,700 --> 01:14:34,080
This thing's really rolled on and, and
we're, we're already talking about there

1511
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,900
was some more movies down, down the road.

1512
01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:36,360
So we'll

1513
01:14:36,385 --> 01:14:36,765
yeah.

1514
01:14:36,845 --> 01:14:36,975
We're

1515
01:14:37,140 --> 01:14:37,975
tease that a little more.

1516
01:14:38,055 --> 01:14:38,695
train going.

1517
01:14:38,935 --> 01:14:42,025
We'll tease that a little more in
the following episodes, but until

1518
01:14:42,025 --> 01:14:43,175
then, we'll see you guys next week.